POLL} The Best Overall Hitter In The Past 30 Years ?......

[soxfan1468927]

I averaged total bases of some top players, adjusting Ruth, Gehrig and Cobb up 5% for the shorter seasons when they played.

Total bases per season
Gehrig - 312
Aaron - 298
Mays - 276
Ruth - 274
Cobb - 256
Rose - 240
You may think the numbers are skewed by Aaron possibly playing more games, I'm not saying he did, I'll check. My point is Trout and freeman are not producing now, that should factor into the picture.
I'll go fetch Williams and Robinson's info.

Why would you go through that? Just divide by the games played and multiple by 162. Something that baseball reference already does for you. You count Williams 2 seasons when he played a combined 43 games because he was in Korea? You count Gehrig's first two seasons and then his final season when he played a combined 31 games?

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Why would you go through that? Just divide by the games played and multiple by 162. Something that baseball reference already does for you. You count Williams 2 seasons when he played a combined 43 games because he was in Korea? You count Gehrig's first two seasons and then his final season when he played a combined 31 games?

I think my measure is better, Cobb, Ruth, Gehrig and Williams played 154 games, which is 5% less, so I added 5% to their totals to more accurately represent their production.
Cobb also averaged 37 stolen bases over 24 years. If I take his success rate of 76%, that is 24% I subtract, then I deduct the base he lost, that's another 24%, so I deduct 48%. that is a net plus of 18 bases per year.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

This guy

 

[soxfan1468927]

I think my measure is better, Cobb, Ruth, Gehrig and Williams played 154 games, which is 5% less, so I added 5% to their totals to more accurately represent their production.
Cobb also averaged 37 stolen bases over 24 years. If I take his success rate of 76%, that is 24% I subtract, then I deduct the base he lost, that's another 24%, so I deduct 48%. that is a net plus of 18 bases per year.

How on earth is your measure better? You count seasons in which guys barely played

 

[BallsOfFurry]

How on earth is your measure better? You count seasons in which guys barely played

I had career production averaged out over the number of seasons and potential number of games.
If you want a more accurate measure of TBs per plate appearance, which I agree is important, I'll see if it's kept as a record.

 

[soxfan1468927]

I had career production averaged out over the number of seasons and potential number of games.
If you want a more accurate measure of TBs per plate appearance, which I agree is important, I'll see if it's kept as a record.

It's called slugging percentage dude.

 

[soxfan1468927]

I had career production averaged out over the number of seasons and potential number of games.
If you want a more accurate measure of TBs per plate appearance, which I agree is important, I'll see if it's kept as a record.

So why don't you just take the total number of games and extrapolate that out to a full season of 162. Instead of counting seasons when a guy played 8 games the same as a season when a guy played 154.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

So why don't you just take the total number of games and extrapolate that out to a full season of 162. Instead of counting seasons when a guy played 8 games the same as a season when a guy played 154.

Divide total bases by plate appearances.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Divide total bases by plate appearances.

Doesn't using plate appearances here essentially treat a walk/HBP the same as an out though? They are quite clearly not equivalent from a value standpoint.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Divide total bases by plate appearances.

What do you think the "S" in OPS stands for?

 

[soxfan1468927]

Divide total bases by plate appearances.

At-bats, not plate appearances. Percentage shouldn't go down if you walk or get hit.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Whose winning this never ending debate?

 

[soxfan1468927]

Whose winning this never ending debate?

The SportsHoopla readers.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

At-bats, not plate appearances. Percentage shouldn't go down if you walk or get hit.

It goes up with walks, not down...
Here you go.
Bases Per Plate Appearances ---BPPA

Ruth--- .54
Gehrig---.52
Williams---.50
Aaron---.49
Musial---.48
Mays---.48
Robinson---,45
Cobb---.44

 

[BallsOfFurry]

What do you think the "S" in OPS stands for?

What do you think the "S" in OPS stands for?

It's not precisely the same. I couldn't find it, so I did the math myself.

 

[soxfan1468927]

It goes up with walks, not down...
Here you go.
Bases Per Plate Appearances ---BPPA

Ruth--- .54
Gehrig---.52
Williams---.50
Aaron---.49
Musial---.48
Mays---.48
Robinson---,45
Cobb---.44

Total bases doesn't include walks or HBP, so how would the number go up when the dividend remains constant and the divisor increases?

 

[soxfan1468927]

It's not precisely the same. I couldn't find it, so I did the math myself.

But all you did was take TB/AB (aka slugging percentage) and use PA instead of AB. Which therefore treats walks/HBP as outs because you are just adding those numbers into the divisor and lowering the slugging percentage.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

But all you did was take TB/AB (aka slugging percentage) and use PA instead of AB. Which therefore treats walks/HBP as outs because you are just adding those numbers into the divisor and lowering the slugging percentage.

You're half right and I'm half wrong. You're right that I should have used at bats, you're wrong about slugging percentage.
I was up all night and I'm getting punchy.

 

[soxfan1468927]

You're half right and I'm half wrong. You're right that I should have used at bats, you're wrong about slugging percentage.
I was up all night and I'm getting punchy.

How am I wrong about slugging percentage?

 

[BallsOfFurry]

How am I wrong about slugging percentage?

You're not, I hadn't considered slugging in years.
I'm also well past being lucid.
I still think showing up is half the game.
Arron's playing in 144 games a year over 23 years and accumulating 13% more total bases than #2 is very important in evaluating a player.
Is Trout as valuable to his team today as he will be when he gets back from injury ? I'm not being sarcastic, just making a point.