politics thread

[skinsdad62]

The News has never been about fair and impartial reporting in any of our life times.

all i am going to say is if you want the truth do what i say . and if it isnt about fair and impartial then it needs to be and we need to make sure it does

now if you are going to make the claim that " fox news watchers " are somehow misinformed and by that claiming the others are the "real ' news then i suggest you take me up on my challenge

the MSM is in fact mistrusted by the vast majority of people . Fox news ratings blow away the competition and have done so for decades , why ? because the others have become so ideological.

example , coverage of the summit , 6 months ago Trumps rhetoric was causing a nuclear war and he needs to negotiate . now he negotiates and he is a buffoon , the guy cant win . now we find out today china is removing the missiles from the islands they built in the south china sea , no credit given .

. They talk about flags being equal in NOKO talks but were silent when obama talked to 2 sets of dictators castro and the Mullahs , now they talk about flags needing respect except i guess when an NFL players kneels before it in protest

people see these things shark and Ebb . they hear them too . and i watch all of them because i want all sides

 

[gkekoa]

So wait we were better of as a country, as a society 50 years ago?? IN the 60's?? I agree that one group was better of in the 60's.... Kinda sucks that we moved past that wonderful period in time huh?

And white Liberals are the cause of all the militant and combative conflict this country has seen over those 50 years? I guess if all those lefties would have just sit down, shut up and let more rational people run things.. why I might have even moved to the middle of the bus if I was a good boy.

Is that what I said? I used one avenue where all groups have slipped because morality has fallen.
Incarceration gap widens between whites and blacks
Take a look at the incarceration gap between 1960 and 2010. Notice all groups have gone up in incarceration’s per 100k.
http://blackdemographics.com/households/poverty/ Compare poverty levels in all groups based on single parent households.

There is one way to almost assuredly not be in poverty...don’t have kids out of wedlock.

Let’s see here. The left wasn’t on Rosa Parks side. It was the conservatives who marched with Dr. King and they did so peacefully. It was the KKK, liberals, who burned crosses and lynched blacks. So yes, rational people lead to better solutions.

So, keep blaming conservatives if it helps you get through the night. Keep blaming whites if it helps you sleep. Keep trying to trap me with things I haven’t said.

 

[Sharkinva]

Is that what I said? I used one avenue where all groups have slipped because morality has fallen.
Incarceration gap widens between whites and blacks
Take a look at the incarceration gap between 1960 and 2010. Notice all groups have gone up in incarceration’s per 100k.
BlackDemographics.com | POVERTY Compare poverty levels in all groups based on single parent households.

There is one way to almost assuredly not be in poverty...don’t have kids out of wedlock.

Let’s see here. The left wasn’t on Rosa Parks side. It was the conservatives who marched with Dr. King and they did so peacefully. It was the KKK, liberals, who burned crosses and lynched blacks. So yes, rational people lead to better solutions.

So, keep blaming conservatives if it helps you get through the night. Keep blaming whites if it helps you sleep. Keep trying to trap me with things I haven’t said.

the conservative party has changed since the 1960s just a tad bit. Saying we were better off as a country 50 years ago implies that we have regressed in your opinion. Personally i think we are a better country. Poverty is just as much a result of an education system that is over worked and under staffed as it is a result of single moms. And what makes me sleep better at night is knowing that no matter how hard some people push for it, the 50's and 60's aint coming back.

 

[gkekoa]

the conservative party has changed since the 1960s just a tad bit. Saying we were better off as a country 50 years ago implies that we have regressed in your opinion. Personally i think we are a better country. Poverty is just as much a result of an education system that is over worked and under staffed as it is a result of single moms. And what makes me sleep better at night is knowing that no matter how hard some people push for it, the 50's and 60's aint coming back.

The Conservative party hasn’t really changed. In what way did it change? I would say it appears to have changed because the liberals have changed their message to go for votes. Conservatives still believe in we are created equal and government should treat us as such.

I would say we would be far better off if the nation’s conservative values had not changed. I would say the black community would be far better off if they remained conservative.

I don’t blame the education system. The kids don’t put forth the effort because they lack in home parental guidance.

You see the 50s and 60s as a time for blacks to be overlooked rather than freed and I think that is where you go wrong.

 

[Sharkinva]

The Conservative party hasn’t really changed. In what way did it change? I would say it appears to have changed because the liberals have changed their message to go for votes. Conservatives still believe in we are created equal and government should treat us as such.

I would say we would be far better off if the nation’s conservative values had not changed. I would say the black community would be far better off if they remained conservative.

I don’t blame the education system. The kids don’t put forth the effort because they lack in home parental guidance.

You see the 50s and 60s as a time for blacks to be overlooked rather than freed and I think that is where you go wrong.

Sorry but when the leading Presidential Candidate for the conservative party ran and won on a platform of spreading fear, and another currently leading republican figure for office is a brothel owner, I cant really buy the whole party of values line any more. The 50-60 was a time many in this country would not have wanted to happen, not because of the violence but because of the outcome. While I detest the Democratic partys tendency to treat blacks as nothing more than voting pawns and feeding into the cycle of dependency. IM not buying the whole conservatives see us as equals.

 

[gkekoa]

Sorry but when the leading Presidential Candidate for the conservative party ran and won on a platform of spreading fear, and another currently leading republican figure for office is a brothel owner, I cant really buy the whole party of values line any more. The 50-60 was a time many in this country would not have wanted to happen, not because of the violence but because of the outcome. While I detest the Democratic partys tendency to treat blacks as nothing more than voting pawns and feeding into the cycle of dependency. IM not buying the whole conservatives see us as equals.

Trump didn’t win on a platform of spreading fear. He won on a platform of economy, law and order, and anybody but the witch.

Who is the brothel owner?

You don’t have to buy it but history shows that is what republicans marched for and fought for. Now I know there are some that would like to forget history, Democratic Party.

 

[Skins2021]

Oh yes very impressive mr internet smart guy. We are all in awe. I wouldn't pick any other school over PSU. Your loss, I guess.

Why would experiencing life automatically change my mind. Political depend on being informed. If your informed you can be any age and have an educated conversation on the issues. The content of your argument is what matters.

The idea that significant life experiences are required is moronic. If thats the case how would you know your views are even right? Somebody else has different experiences and has come to different conclusions as a result. How are you going to decide whos right? You both havelife experience. Alternatively somebody may have the same life experiences but different views. There are millions of hard working democrats in this country. Its not republicans = experiences hard workers and democrats = lazy and inexperienced. If thats what you think you are mind bogglingly dumb or naive.

You keep acting like youre too good to discuss issues with me yet you keep making insults and assumptions towards me. And you keep being wrong. You assumed I supported several things that i didnt. When are you gonna admit you assumed a shit ton and put your foot in your mouth?

You're just throwing out claims based on nothing then running away when called out.

End of the day i think you know youre full of shit you're just too scared to keep talking and make it even more obvious than it already is.

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I literally wrote that I was making an assumption hahaha

dont become unhinged, its nothing personal. I just dont think you can form authentic political opinions until you experience more life.

 

[Skins2021]

They're both trash dude. The only difference between them is one happens to align with your views.

They may both be trash. I wont dispute that.

A major difference though is that Fox at least will report on and cover stories that goes against their agenda whereas CNN/MSNBC will often completely ignore or fail to cover a story that goes against theirs.

 

[Skins2021]

As I said, all groups are regressing in certain areas. As you know, I am a big proponent of the correlation between single parent households, poverty, and crime. All groups are having more children out of wedlock than 50 years ago.

Liberals are comprised of all races, genders, religions, etc. The biggest problem in this group are white liberals. They fail to think critically and jump on bandwagons, usually leading the militant fights when the special interest they claim to be defending don’t really give a shit, to an extent.

"the biggest problem" should be replaced with "the most annoying"

I think they can all be annoying but that white guy who carries his white guilt like hes christ carrying the cross through jerusalem takes the cake.

BTW I hope that cop in Texas sues Shaun King into oblivion.

 

[Skins2021]

The News has never been about fair and impartial reporting in any of our life times.

well my lifetime is different then your lifetime haha but I agree.

I do think it has gone so far left and so far right over the last 15 years though. Very noticeably in fact. I blame social media and the far left winged values of silicon valley

 

[Skins2021]

Sorry but when the leading Presidential Candidate for the conservative party ran and won on a platform of spreading fear, and another currently leading republican figure for office is a brothel owner, I cant really buy the whole party of values line any more. The 50-60 was a time many in this country would not have wanted to happen, not because of the violence but because of the outcome. While I detest the Democratic partys tendency to treat blacks as nothing more than voting pawns and feeding into the cycle of dependency. IM not buying the whole conservatives see us as equals.

I dont care for Trump. I wish he wasnt on social media. I wish he didnt get involved with the NFL. I wish he wouldnt give out of touch hollywood celebrities and athletes a platform by responding to them.

Calling Trump a racist and white supremacist is so grossly unfair and extreme. Its simply not true and dilutes the terms. People freely slandering the president of the united states with these terms without repercussions is why I believe there is so much discord and mud slinging between the 2 parties. I dont even like Trump but when people say or imply these gross inaccuracies I find myself defending him and maybe even some of his policies that I may not totally agree with, human nature.

 

[Sharkinva]

I dont care for Trump. I wish he wasnt on social media. I wish he didnt get involved with the NFL. I wish he wouldnt give out of touch hollywood celebrities and athletes a platform by responding to them.

Calling Trump a racist and white supremacist is so grossly unfair and extreme. Its simply not true and dilutes the terms. People freely slandering the president of the united states with these terms without repercussions is why I believe there is so much discord and mud slinging between the 2 parties. I dont even like Trump but when people say or imply these gross inaccuracies I find myself defending him and maybe even some of his policies that I may not totally agree with, human nature.

People have been trying to dilute the meaning of racist, and white Supremist for years. Its usually the racists and white supremists wanting to dilute the terms. After all, if everything is racist, then nothing is racist. Once you make racism and white supremacy into just a part of the every day norm, well then it no longer becomes a problem to 70% of the country. Because thats just the way things are.

As for speaking against the President, we had eight years of pissed off folks calling him the N-word President, #NotMyPresident, and a whole host of other things. The Current Presidents most important mission seems to be trying to erase or tarnish Obama's legacy, and half the yes RACIST base of his are cheering him on in this effort. So spare me the have some respect for the office line of bullshit, because thats what it is with Trump in there, just a line of BS.

 

[Sharkinva]

Trump didn’t win on a platform of spreading fear. He won on a platform of economy, law and order, and anybody but the witch.

Who is the brothel owner?

You don’t have to buy it but history shows that is what republicans marched for and fought for. Now I know there are some that would like to forget history, Democratic Party.

The Brothel owner would be Dennis Hof, he is the leading GOP candidate for the Nevada State Legislature.

Its Awesome to want to be historically accurate. Its rather dubious to only want to remember the parts of history that favor your platform and try to gloss over the crappy parts that lead to the culture that has been established. And as a human being, one would be rather callus to simply ignore the majority cultures long standing habitual behavior when it comes to marginalizing and dehumanizing other cultures in this country.

And Trump most certainly did run on a platform of fear. Fear of the USA becoming too Diverse, too liberal.

 

[skinsdad62]

the conservative party has changed since the 1960s just a tad bit. Saying we were better off as a country 50 years ago implies that we have regressed in your opinion. Personally i think we are a better country. Poverty is just as much a result of an education system that is over worked and under staffed as it is a result of single moms. And what makes me sleep better at night is knowing that no matter how hard some people push for it, the 50's and 60's aint coming back.

statistics dont bare that out shark 72% of black children that have single parents end up in poverty . that stat goes for any race as it rises to 79 % overall

the advice given should be on 3 things that william galston advisor to president clinton said
1) finish high school
2) dont have children till your 20
3 )be married before you have children

if you do those 3 things statistically onlly 8% of you will be poor . if you fail 79% of you will be poor

he got that from a study by james q wilson UCLA

this is good advice for people of all races

now how does institutional /structural /systematic racism stop a person of color from following this formula ?

85% of all educators are registered democrats . liberal methods have been in force since the late 60's . bush's no child left behind is more establishment BS .

 

[gkekoa]

The Brothel owner would be Dennis Hof, he is the leading GOP candidate for the Nevada State Legislature.

Its Awesome to want to be historically accurate. Its rather dubious to only want to remember the parts of history that favor your platform and try to gloss over the crappy parts that lead to the culture that has been established. And as a human being, one would be rather callus to simply ignore the majority cultures long standing habitual behavior when it comes to marginalizing and dehumanizing other cultures in this country.

And Trump most certainly did run on a platform of fear. Fear of the USA becoming too Diverse, too liberal.

Come on Shark. It is Nevada. What exactly do you expect? It is legal in Vegas.

Show me the parts where it is crappy. Be specific and let’s talk about them. I don’t want to gloss over them. I want to learn from them.

Majorities in all cultures dominate the mainstream and thus minorities “feel” marginalized. I am sorry but some cultures are better than other cultures.

As a sovereign nation, should we have laws? Should we control immigration? Should the POTUS enforce the laws created by Congress? It honestly sounds like you just want to see white people in the minority as some sort of revenge.

 

[ehb5]

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I literally wrote that I was making an assumption hahaha

dont become unhinged, its nothing personal. I just dont think you can form authentic political opinions until you experience more life.

They may both be trash. I wont dispute that.

A major difference though is that Fox at least will report on and cover stories that goes against their agenda whereas CNN/MSNBC will often completely ignore or fail to cover a story that goes against theirs.

For somebody who claims to have no interest in my political opinions you sure do have a lot of interest in my political opinions.

 

[ehb5]

I dont care for Trump. I wish he wasnt on social media. I wish he didnt get involved with the NFL. I wish he wouldnt give out of touch hollywood celebrities and athletes a platform by responding to them.

Calling Trump a racist and white supremacist is so grossly unfair and extreme. Its simply not true and dilutes the terms. People freely slandering the president of the united states with these terms without repercussions is why I believe there is so much discord and mud slinging between the 2 parties. I dont even like Trump but when people say or imply these gross inaccuracies I find myself defending him and maybe even some of his policies that I may not totally agree with, human nature.

 

[Sharkinva]

statistics dont bare that out shark 72% of black children that have single parents end up in poverty . that stat goes for any race as it rises to 79 % overall

the advice given should be on 3 things that william galston advisor to president clinton said
1) finish high school
2) dont have children till your 20
3 )be married before you have children

if you do those 3 things statistically onlly 8% of you will be poor . if you fail 79% of you will be poor

he got that from a study by james q wilson UCLA

this is good advice for people of all races

now how does institutional /structural /systematic racism stop a person of color from following this formula ?

85% of all educators are registered democrats . liberal methods have been in force since the late 60's . bush's no child left behind is more establishment BS .

I will say this, to a point Wilsons study was more about affirming a pre-established belief than finding a solution. Kind of like saying, dont drop a toaster in the bathtub to avoid getting electrocuted. Specifically option #3 there. There are plenty of MARRIED folks living in poverty even now. I agree that every one should finish high school, and should actually seek higher education. But our education system is viewed as an expense more than an investment, to me thats ass backwards thinking. But then it doesnt shock me with a government that looks at people as cost vs income potential commodities.

As for how institutional racism causes poverty, it alone doesnt. But you cant simply deny its effects on poverty. The long standing practice in this country of paying women and people of color less than white males is part of the institutional/societal excepted norms that have alot to do with the poverty level in this country. More so in fact than single motherhood.

I will also say that it should be very telling about the two different mindsets that mostly Liberals actually WANT to teach our children and attempt to create a better education system for every one, as apposed to the concept that the ability to get a good education should be based on your parents financial ability to pay for said education. The idea that you can only get your child a good education if you make enough to pay for it is an elitist concept that SHOULD have died out in this country 100 years ago, and quite frankly I think it harkens back to a time when education or the ability to even get an education was a by product of your families social status.

 

[Sharkinva]

Show me the parts where it is crappy. Be specific and let’s talk about them. I don’t want to gloss over them. I want to learn from them.

OK... I will show you correlations. What this country has historically done, and how they are strangely enough doing it now, just to a different group of people.

When this country was being formed, and the Indians were declared the enemy, it was common practice to take the Indian Children away from their families, send them to christian schools where they were forbade from speaking their native tongue, stripped of their name and taught to be christians.

During Slavery, it was common practice to sell children away from their families. When new slaves were brought in they were stripped of their name, forbidden from speaking in their native tongue, and once again introduced to christ. Bright side, they werent the enemy, they were just property.

Welcome to 2018, where the Mexican is now the enemy. They have tried to enact laws that if you dont speak English, you need to. As we sit here there are children of Mexican heritage (some illegal, some not) being held in government sponsored concentration camps. Bonus though, Christianity is already the predominant religion in Mexico, so thats one less hurdle I guess.

Now I dont know about you, but I see a history of crappy that has spanned over generations and the only thing that has really changed is the enemy.

 

[Sharkinva]

Majorities in all cultures dominate the mainstream and thus minorities “feel” marginalized. I am sorry but some cultures are better than other cultures.

As a sovereign nation, should we have laws? Should we control immigration? Should the POTUS enforce the laws created by Congress? It honestly sounds like you just want to see white people in the minority as some sort of revenge.

I agree some cultures are better than others. As for the whole revenge concept, I can see whee that would be troubling. But reality is, I would much rather there be no real majority not out of some sense of revenge, but out of a sense of actual fairness and cooperation. As long as one group can simply say... well we out number you and out gun you, there will always be cases of inequality. Now i guess thats awesome if you happen to fall in that majority. BUt Im more in favor of balance, to where no one groups issues are marginalized. Where no group gets to feel they are superior because they have the numbers. And the only people I see clinging to the current way of things are those worried about some sort of social revenge if they ever should be out numbered. BUt again I could see as to where that might be a concern.

Sure we should have laws, but those laws should be equal in practice and not just lip service. If they went door to door and said EVERY person currently living here had to show proof that they had a right to be here, I would have no problem with it. BUt I would be willing to bet a weeks pay, if they did that you would get more complaints from the conservative crowd than you would blacks, latinos or liberals in general.