politics thread

[Stymietee]

The only hypocrite is the soul who feels innocent babies should be aborted (killed) without a second thought just because said person aint ready for no damn kid... while in the same breath against the death penalty for vicious killers or other incarcerated extreme violent people. The soul who feels that the innocent baby should be allowed to live and grow as you and I have had the distinct pleasure of doing but would like to see the guy who killed 30 people as they attended church (or just any member of your family) fry in the electric chair (yes, bring it back) is probably a soul who understands common logic and sense of decency.

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Who should die? This baby at 5 months inside a womb... or this serial killer? If you pick Dahmer then you are pro life,,, if you pick the baby not sure I can associate with you anymore. Please answer... this game is for all.

Clearly this is well past you so, let me explain. Removing something the size of a dime isn't killing a baby. That only happens in the minds of religiously misinformed people. To be clear, it is not a baby, innocent or otherwise!

In as far as your view on the death penalty, I actually considered U.S. Executioner as something to do after retirement. In that job, I would be called to any state in the union to do the deed. Walk into the room where the electric chair is situated, then have this conversation with the prisoner. "Any last words?" the response being..."I won't do it ever again!" to which I reply, "I know...have a seat!"

Seriously though, it isn't a baby so your choice between putting to death a common criminal and something that isn't a baby fails because It's oxymoronic. In fact using the standard definition of "life" your "baby" fails to meet that standard. Your outlined choices

BTW: Most abortions are performed at or before 8 weeks after conception and 92% of abortions are performed prior to week 13.

 

[gkekoa]

I mean... I'm not here to meet your qualifications.

If you (after previously acknowledging I was conservative) need a dissertation on my beliefs to believe that I do in fact believe what I say then that's on you.

I don’t care. You get upset when people say you are liberal. You have a chance to explain how you aren’t.

 

[Stymietee]

Eight weeks vs adult

 

[reptec101]

Clearly this is well past you so, let me explain. Removing something the size of a dime isn't killing a baby. That only happens in the minds of religiously misinformed people. To be clear, it is not a baby, innocent or otherwise!

In as far as your view on the death penalty, I actually considered U.S. Executioner as something to do after retirement. In that job, I would be called to any state in the union to do the deed. Walk into the room where the electric chair is situated, then have this conversation with the prisoner. "Any last words?" the response being..."I won't do it ever again!" to which I reply, "I know...have a seat!"

Seriously though, it isn't a baby so your choice between putting to death a common criminal and something that isn't a baby fails because It's oxymoronic. In fact using the standard definition of "life" your "baby" fails to meet that standard. Your outlined choices

BTW: Most abortions are performed at or before 8 weeks after conception and 92% of abortions are performed prior to week 13.

It pleases me that you would choose to eliminate a piece of scum from this world rather than a baby inside the womb with a yes... beating heart.

For the record I am pro choice but find abortion terrible. Imo the morning after pill should be handed out at schools because imo also life doesnt begin at conception but with a beating heart.

 

[skinsdad62]

Always trying to play the victim card there arent ya?

Always supporting racist aren’t you ? I can be dumb too

 

[skinsdad62]

Wallace and Smith are probably the only two serious news professionals in the entire network (Fox) They have hit Democrats and Republicans alike for their half assed positions. Considering what Fox has become, (state run television) I'm genuinely surprised that both still work for this company. My best guess is that they still offer some level of credibility that escapes all of the rest of them.

Fox News has been far more accurate then the entire MSM combined .

 

[skinsdad62]

Equality Act: Heavy-Handed, Inflexible Pro-LGBT Bill | National Review

Oppressive socialists at work

 

[gkekoa]

QUOTE="gkekoa, post: 13284453, member: 5837"]I did put that but you have to read more than a mere blurb. When I am speaking of humans, I figured you would know, and I wouldn’t have to spell out, the context in which I am n again, you don’t believe in context.

This isn’t what you said. You said developing. A 17 year old is still developing...there is no context there. You are either a developing, developed, or dying human.

You can claim definitions to be whatever you want. You can also be wrong as much as you want. All living organisms on the face of the planet fall into specific categories in science. A fetus is a Homo Sapien...unless you can show me it isn’t scientifically.

In context or not in context "taking of a life" even in the manner in which you intended it to be doesn't cover the subject at hand, since it isn't a 'life." by definition scientifically. (beginning of, or first stage of, is not the same thing as an actual life)

News flash, there is no such thing as a fully developed person, we continuously grow up until the moment of death no matter how that death occurs.

I get it, you want to turn this into an ethical/ moral argument and I'm not going to play that nonsensical game. You can have your moral opinion and I'll support and defend your right to the same. Ethically, there's no objectivity or rationale that supports this group think position beyond belief. It is interesting that you seek proof from me concerning an issue that isn't based in science, but mired in subjective moral muck. Now show me the well established, peer reviewed, scientific position, that a mass of blood and cellular material is human, homo sapien, or any other term that you choose to call it.[/QUOTE]

1- scientifically speaking, it is a life.

2- You mentioned fully developed. When it comes to the life cycle of a living organism, there is fully developed.

3- You do realize, that is exactly what you are doing. Your stance is based on a perception of morality with no stance in fact.

Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo's Conception

A Scientific View of When Life Begins | Charlotte Lozier Institute

 

[gkekoa]

Give it time Sty.. at some point in their quest to control and punish women, they will pass a law that says life begins the moment a woman has nut inside her and want to execute women for showering after sex because it might prevent a potential life if they wash too soon. But only women will be subject to this punishment.

Yep...keep supporting the murder of black babies and then bitch about the US being too white.

 

[Sharkinva]

Yep...keep supporting the murder of black babies and then bitch about the US being too white.

IM just trying to give you less potential targets. And I think every black man should impregnate at least 2 white women... just to make things even.

 

[Stymietee]

It pleases me that you would choose to eliminate a piece of scum from this world rather than a baby inside the womb with a yes... beating heart.

For the record I am pro choice but find abortion terrible. Imo the morning after pill should be handed out at schools because imo also life doesnt begin at conception but with a beating heart.

My own view is one that's anti-abortion, but my opinion ends there as everyone else who's able, also has an opinion on the subject, not all agree with me. The entire argument originates in religion and as such I am convinced that the SC improperly ruled on Roe. They should have ruled that the highest court in the land had, and will forever have, no standing on limiting choice or imposing limits on individual choices in this case. As a safety issue, abortion must be made safe and available for those who choose to take the option and of no consequence to anyone beyond potential parents, their doctor and their conscience (God force).

I love the beating heart theory as well and hope that you can agree that the heart is only one part of the body. That said, any singular part of the body doesn't make that part a human being or we would certainly have issues with amputations and transplants, correct?

 

[Stymietee]

Fox News has been far more accurate then the entire MSM combined .

Fox the most viewed component of the MSM has been more accurate than themselves? Now that's a pretty good trick!

 

[Stymietee]

In context or not in context "taking of a life" even in the manner in which you intended it to be doesn't cover the subject at hand, since it isn't a 'life." by definition scientifically. (beginning of, or first stage of, is not the same thing as an actual life)

News flash, there is no such thing as a fully developed person, we continuously grow up until the moment of death no matter how that death occurs.

I get it, you want to turn this into an ethical/ moral argument and I'm not going to play that nonsensical game. You can have your moral opinion and I'll support and defend your right to the same. Ethically, there's no objectivity or rationale that supports this group think position beyond belief. It is interesting that you seek proof from me concerning an issue that isn't based in science, but mired in subjective moral muck. Now show me the well established, peer reviewed, scientific position, that a mass of blood and cellular material is human, homo sapien, or any other term that you choose to call it.

1- scientifically speaking, it is a life.

2- You mentioned fully developed. When it comes to the life cycle of a living organism, there is fully developed.

3- You do realize, that is exactly what you are doing. Your stance is based on a perception of morality with no stance in fact.

Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo's Conception

A Scientific View of When Life Begins | Charlotte Lozier Institute[/QUOTE]

1. Prove it, scientifically! I don't disagree that life begins at conception, but that's entirely different from it being a person, human or otherwise!

2. The life cycle proves that "fully developed" is a misnomer. If you disagree, at what point do we maximally achieve this stage of development?

3. Mortality is a finite human condition. There is zero evidence that supports anything beyond what's known about mortality. BTW: Immortality exists only in the hearts and minds of those left behind. Since this is a politics thread, I'll use George Washington as an example. He lived from Feb 22, 1732 - Dec 14, 1799, 67 years in all and yet here we are, 219 years later with almost instant recall of who he was.

 

[gkekoa]

IM just trying to give you less potential targets. And I think every black man should impregnate at least 2 white women... just to make things even.

Not a target for me. As a matter of fact, very few black people are targets by whites.

I don’t mind a black man impregnating a white woman. For the kids sake though, I hope he stays and is a dad, because I believe that is the biggest factor in crime and a huge factor in socioeconomics.

 

[gkekoa]

1- scientifically speaking, it is a life.

2- You mentioned fully developed. When it comes to the life cycle of a living organism, there is fully developed.

3- You do realize, that is exactly what you are doing. Your stance is based on a perception of morality with no stance in fact.

Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo's Conception

A Scientific View of When Life Begins | Charlotte Lozier Institute

1. Prove it, scientifically! I don't disagree that life begins at conception, but that's entirely different from it being a person, human or otherwise!

2. The life cycle proves that "fully developed" is a misnomer. If you disagree, at what point do we maximally achieve this stage of development?

3. Mortality is a finite human condition. There is zero evidence that supports anything beyond what's known about mortality. BTW: Immortality exists only in the hearts and minds of those left behind. Since this is a politics thread, I'll use George Washington as an example. He lived from Feb 22, 1732 - Dec 14, 1799, 67 years in all and yet here we are, 219 years later with almost instant recall of who he was.[/QUOTE]

1- You are a denier then. I just posted two works on scientific life at conception. Is it really different than being a person, which is described as a human being, which is in the species homo sapien. If it is a life, what species is it? Come on...you can say it.

2- The life cycle absolutely proves there is an end to the developmental stages.

3- who cares? You think I don’t believe in mortality? Why change the discussion?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Fox News has been far more accurate then the entire MSM combined .

This may be true, actually I believe it is true. But it's simply amazing that you still can't admit that Fox too offers biased, often distorted, coverage. They have cropped quotes from Obama and Biden to give a story that is totally out of context. They have misled viewers by using clips that were not from the actual event. I have already referenced the NFL players kneeling, this is just one of many examples. Sure as you said they came back and issued a correction but that does not change the fact that their original report was totally misleading and not everyone who saw the story saw the correction.

Personalities such as Hannity come off as President Trump's personal PR staff every night, that is not how an unbiased news source behaves. They are clearly right bias and has an agenda to attack the left and that's fine. Just stop pretending they are not biases and do not also give slanted coverage as well because that's complete nonsense.

 

[Sportster 72]

I am not going to argue when life starts (the masturbation post made me laugh) but I will say I am pro life. I will also say that changing these laws is only going to send women back to people who in back rooms performing illegal abortions. That is sad.

 

[reptec101]

Eight weeks vs adult

Eight week vs monster who never should have been given a sentence of life behind bars but executed after conviction on the spot, and i'll add,, televised. Tell me im wrong. I'll never understand why the death penalty is such a tuff subject for some.

btw, was this eight week pic taken 'after' an abortion? Looks like a lot of blood... and remember... blood is life. The bible mentions this numerous times in the bible. So maybe life begins when the first blood drop forms. Not a sermon,,, just a thought.

 

[reptec101]

This may be true, actually I believe it is true. But it's simply amazing that you still can't admit that Fox too offers biased, often distorted, coverage. They have cropped quotes from Obama and Biden to give a story that is totally out of context. They have misled viewers by using clips that were not from the actual event. I have already referenced the NFL players kneeling, this is just one of many examples. Sure as you said they came back and issued a correction but that does not change the fact that their original report was totally misleading and not everyone who saw the story saw the correction.

Personalities such as Hannity come off as President Trump's personal PR staff every night, that is not how an unbiased news source behaves. They are clearly right bias and has an agenda to attack the left and that's fine. Just stop pretending they are not biases and do not also give slanted coverage as well because that's complete nonsense.

But can you imagine if Hannity wasn't in the presidents back pocket. The whole entire media that broadcast out to the world could sell you a quarter ounce bag of the finest crap (literally) and you would have no other reason, or source but to believe it. Now that's a scary thought.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

But can you imagine if Hannity wasn't in the presidents back pocket. The whole entire media that broadcast out to the world could sell you a quarter ounce bag of the finest crap (literally) and you would have no other reason, or source but to believe it. Now that's a scary thought.

Oh I have no problem with a balance, we need both sides represented. But I will never let Dad continue to make the claim that his sources are not also guilty of being bias and misleading because that is simply a crock of shit.

I hear conservative personalities spew stuff like Dems want open borders, Dams hate American, they want to come to your house and take your guns. This is all complete nonsense but their listeners believe every word. This is no different than CNN slanting the views of their audience with their coverage.