politics thread

[skinsdad62]

Funny,2 guys who have rejected Christ want to tell us WWJD

 

[gkekoa]

To me a lot of this is just political jockeying or one-upmanship. It is interesting that virtually no one has responded to the threat that Trump poses to the rule of law and therefore the future of the country.

I can give passes to defending some of his lies, passes to some of his pathological shortcomings, passes to his obvious singling out of different segments and individuals because he has an aversion to them. We've had presidents who shared this sort of stuff, couldn't rub two nickels together to make a dime or had the intellectual efficiency of a sponge. What I cannot do and refuse to accept is attacks on the constitution and the rule of law that the current office holder continues to do. This is indefensible and I curse anyone who tries to do so!

The modern era of division didn't begin with Trump, Obama, Bush or Clinton, for that we have to go all the way back to 1968, a time of great hope shattered by mistrust, assassinations, a bitter, divisive, unwinnable war, freedom marches for basic human rights, segregation, and equal opportunity. There was a woman's movement afoot (The E.R.A.) and a host of other changes and movements too long to list. Couple all of this strife with a
presidential election featuring a fear-mongering, race-baiting candidate stoking white resentment; (Wallace, sound familiar) a long-shot lefty whipping up collegiate frenzy with his anti-status-quo message; (Humphrey) and an establishment front-runner who, recovering from a painful electoral defeat eight years earlier, was hoping to prove just likable enough to win. (Nixon) It might prove instructive to bone up on this pivotal time in U.S. politics.

Actually, I asked about the exact rule of law you took question to.

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[Sharkinva]

Funny,2 guys who have rejected Christ want to tell us WWJD

Rejecting Organized religion does not mean one has rejected God or Christ actually.

I know its a novel concept that one can believe in God and his messengers (because there were many) and yet not be indoctrinated into the shadow government of the church.

 

[gkekoa]

You want to change what I wrote to whether or not it was "morally" correct or not. I give you great credit for being a pretty smart guy, you know what "unjust" means and I'm sticking with what I wrote.

Actually, did you look up the word unjust?

It is defined as the following...not based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair.

So again, how was Garlic’s treatment unjust?

 

[skinsdad62]

Rejecting Organized religion does not mean one has rejected God or Christ actually.

I know its a novel concept that one can believe in God and his messengers (because there were many) and yet not be indoctrinated into the shadow government of the church.

Numerous times you called yourself atheist

 

[Stymietee]

Not at all. What exactly was teachable? The police answered a call of a possible burglary. Then the homeowner shows up, and rather than calmly explaining he owns the house, he resists the police. You will say 5e police should have done something else. Here were the choices...
1- not respond and then be racist for not responding to a burglary at a black man’s home
2- respond.

The homeowner could have easily explained it is his house. No big deal.

Now, Obama immediately responded with race as the reason for escalation. Sorry but if the cops respond to a white person’s home and they are confrontational, the same thing happens.

It wasn’t about teaching...it was about playing the race card. He immediately blamed the police.

There was a third choice and probably the best one, while I agree that the homeowner "could" have responded to the police in a different manner, it's also true that the police could have also displayed more restraint. Literally, police are rightfully titled "peace officers" it's in their job description. I know that it's comfortable to apply your life's experiences against those of others, but please do, every once in a while try to see things from the perspective and experiences of others. They aren't always the same thing.

 

[gkekoa]

Honestly, none of us can afford the luxury of determining what's right or wrong in this instance, the options were firmly put into place long before either of us were alive. So, it all comes down to having a national healthcare plan or not having one. The cost to you will be what ever it will be no matter which option the country goes with. My point is that it's better to join in on making a more cost effective healthcare system because what we are currently doing is unsustainable.

I agree that "it can be done" and "it will be done" and refuse to believe that it "shouldn't be done," again citing the defense of the country and what the current "system" or lack of the same has wrought.

Up to 75 Percent of US Youth Ineligible for Military
The World's Largest Education Resourceus-youth-ineligible-for-military-service...

As we (generic we) fight endlessly over position, the country is going to shit. Trump isn't being helpful and reminds me of Wallace in the 1968 presidential race. I am certain that we can do much better than this!

Actually, the cost is impossible to determine if the government takes over. It is whatever they say it is. In the current system, prices can only go so high because we can only afford so much.

Education is a choice that many don’t take seriously.

Obesity is a major problem because kids and adults are too lazy to do what is required in life.

Criminal records...choice.

 

[Stymietee]

Actually, did you look up the word unjust?

It is defined as the following...not based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair.

So again, how was Garlic’s treatment unjust?

I think someone is overlooking the word "not" emphasizing the word "morally" and completely dismissing the word "fair."

 

[gkekoa]

Actually I'm appealing to the "Christian" that he says he is. You know WWJD!

Jesus would render onto Caesar what is Caesars...I do...not a dime more.

Jesus would also speak about what is just.

Jesus would also choose to help the poor but not force you to do the same.


Funny...I don’t see a liberal out there leading the way by donating what they believe is fair and just without first forcing the rest of us to be taxed more.

 

[Stymietee]

Actually, the cost is impossible to determine if the government takes over. It is whatever they say it is. In the current system, prices can only go so high because we can only afford so much.

Education is a choice that many don’t take seriously.

Obesity is a major problem because kids and adults are too lazy to do what is required in life.

Criminal records...choice.

Completely untrue, people are "priced out of good healthcare all of the time. Just because it hasn't happened to people who count doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

Yes and it's a reality of life in this country, a proactive healthcare system can be effective in changing this. There was a time when doctors visited homes, they still do in Canada. As I said create an uniquely American system and we're all better off.

Criminal records can also be manufactured. The criminal justice system is one that requires a steady stream of new or returning bodies to maintain itself. Eliminating weed criminalization takes a huge chunk out of this make work program alone! (I know you're against it)

 

[Stymietee]

Jesus would render onto Caesar what is Caesars...I do...not a dime more.

Jesus would also speak about what is just.

Jesus would also choose to help the poor but not force you to do the same.


Funny...I don’t see a liberal out there leading the way by donating what they believe is fair and just without first forcing the rest of us to be taxed more.

Maybe you're not looking hard enough!

 

[Sharkinva]

Numerous times you called yourself atheist

Its easier to say i dont believe in the current constructs of god, than to explain that i dont believe in organized religion. Something created all this. Its highly pretentious to believe that out of all the possibilities, only the one you feel comfortable with will get you to heaven and everyone else will go to hell.

 

[Stymietee]

Your alternative

This would mean disbanding the military, the police, fire and so on. Do you honestly believe that this country will become less socialistic or more so? We are paying through the nose for an ever expanding military, our police are armed and more para-military than actual police. There are real issues in this nation that should be concerning to all of us. Healthcare for example, is a real need of everyone, we will either tackle the issue or ignore it at our peril. If the answer is a socialistic approach to the same, it's better that, than the destruction of the nation. Perhaps we can figure out solutions instead of fighting to no end!

 

[Stymietee]

Its easier to say i dont believe in the current constructs of god, than to explain that i dont believe in organized religion. Something created all this. Its highly pretentious to believe that out of all the possibilities, only the one you feel comfortable with will get you to heaven and everyone else will go to hell.

Good point and here's something that will tie their nickers into tight bunches. "God," as assigned in all versions of Christian teaching is an extra-terrestrial! Shouldn't they be afraid that in his/its return he'll be illegally crossing the border?

 

[gkekoa]

Because capitalism. The system only works if you have three classes.

1. The ruling (upper class)

2. The middle class. People who think the system would fail without them, and also have a fundamental belief that if they just work hard enough long enough that they too will some day be a part of the upper class.

3. The Lower class. The whole system actually hinges on having a lower class. Because it is the lower class that does the menial tasks deemed beneath the upper class. BUt more importantly an existence of a lower class gives the middle class someone to look down upon, as well as something to fear should they not work hard enough. Because what the middle class fears most is slipping into the lower class.

All this to say our current system and rule of law is setup to maintain this system, and any threat against this system will be met with an adjustment of the rule of law to maintain the system.

That is better than two classes. The classes can also be broken down further. It also gives you the most mobility to get out of your class. The classes are heavily affected by life choices. This system has led to the lowest poverty levels in history. But sure...socialism.

 

[Stymietee]

That is better than two classes. The classes can also be broken down further. It also gives you the most mobility to get out of your class. The classes are heavily affected by life choices. This system has led to the lowest poverty levels in history. But sure...socialism.

I know that it feels good to say certain things so, I'm just going to put this out. Clicking on the "view this list in ranking order" will arrange them numerically. It's easier that way.

So we begin with this: Take note of the percentage.

The official poverty rate is 12.3 percent, based on the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2017 estimates. That year, an estimated 39.7 million Americans lived in poverty according to the official measure. According to supplemental poverty measure, the poverty rate was 13.9 percent. The official poverty measure was developed in the 1960s in conjunction with President Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty.

… And here's the graphic:

Population below poverty line (%) 2018 country comparisons ...
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[reptec101]

So I look at the poverty chart and read this in fine print. 'No claims are made regarding the accuracy of Population below poverty line (%) information contained here.

 

[Sportster 72]

The other day I got in a discussion with a person or two here not so much about politics but about name calling. A person or two said it was Trump supporters calling him name and not happening the other way around.

'Hurtful' comments force LPGA pro to take social-media break after golfing with Trump

Maybe I had a credible point when I said it was both sides doing the name calling.

 

[j_y19]

Because capitalism. The system only works if you have three classes.

1. The ruling (upper class)

2. The middle class. People who think the system would fail without them, and also have a fundamental belief that if they just work hard enough long enough that they too will some day be a part of the upper class.

3. The Lower class. The whole system actually hinges on having a lower class. Because it is the lower class that does the menial tasks deemed beneath the upper class. BUt more importantly an existence of a lower class gives the middle class someone to look down upon, as well as something to fear should they not work hard enough. Because what the middle class fears most is slipping into the lower class.

All this to say our current system and rule of law is setup to maintain this system, and any threat against this system will be met with an adjustment of the rule of law to maintain the system.

Have you ever been to a country with just one class?