politics thread

[skinsdad62]

Obama said things about the ACA that ended up being lies because once it was passed, Health Insurance companies and medical providers changed the way they did business in some areas.

Trump has repeatedly said shit that he knows are lies, and he pushes those lies because the truth isnt scary enough to get most rational people to agree with him.

BS he knew it wasnt going to work out from day one

 

[reptec101]

So wait, NIxon and now Trump were unfairly persecuted?? Is that your line??


I think we just figured out Roger Stones Nom De Plume on the Hoop.

I dont know enough about Nixon to fairly judge him, but what ive read from every angle... not just those that appease to me... but from every angle ..he shouldnt have been forced to resign, but again.. not revisiting history.. however unjust it was. As for Trump not certain how anyone can say hes been fairly judged, or persecuted. For two and a half years he fought against allegations that in the end have been proven false and unjust. Well, in the eyes of those that are open minded anyway, and fair to all. Perhaps he was unfit in the political realm of things but I could argue he has done better than any other polished politician with a flashy sparkle smile would have done if elected.

I find it humorous on a large scale that Obama lies only became lies after an agenda or policy changed I just read up top somewhere. Do you guys really take yourselves serious with this idiocy way of thought. Our shit dont stink line of reasoning. Wowza.

Never lied.. only when policy changed it became one. Speechless. Truly.

 

[Sharkinva]

I dont know enough about Nixon to fairly judge him, but what ive read from every angle... not just those that appease to me... but from every angle ..he shouldnt have been forced to resign, but again.. not revisiting history.. however unjust it was. As for Trump not certain how anyone can say hes been fairly judged, or persecuted. For two and a half years he fought against allegations that in the end have been proven false and unjust. Well, in the eyes of those that are open minded anyway, and fair to all. Perhaps he was unfit in the political realm of things but I could argue he has done better than any other polished politician with a flashy sparkle smile would have done if elected.

I find it humorous on a large scale that Obama lies only became lies after an agenda or policy changed I just read up top somewhere. Do you guys really take yourselves serious with this idiocy way of thought. Our shit dont stink line of reasoning. Wowza.

Never lied.. only when policy changed it became one. Speechless. Truly.

Trump knew Mexico was NEVER going to pay for the wall. How, because Mexico's leaders told him as much both before and after he was elected.

Trump knows that children are not being killed after they are born alive, but he pimped that particular lie within the past two days in front of a room full of his cut members.

Thats just two, the list is rather extensive actually.

Oh wait bonus, repeal and REPLACE the ACA with something better and cheaper. Well it hasnt been repealed, and now he is trying to have it struck down with NOTHING to replace it.

 

[gkekoa]

You wrote: " Me having to pay for somebody else is wrong." and I'll tell you that you will do that in one way or the other. Ever wonder why the cost of aspirin ( about $25 per pill in hospital) is so high? Well because the insured are paying for the additional costs of devices/equipment, along with costs associated with the uninsured. Be honest, wouldn't it be much better and more beneficial to the consumer if those costs were controlled with your input? Well, that is what a national healthcare system is all about...controlling costs!

Now we can argue about how best to do this, and anyone who suggests that it shouldn't or can't be done, is actually arguing against the greatness of a people who has a history of, and through collective will could take the very best parts of nationalized healthcare throughout the world, put that unique American touch to it and create a world class system that would be instantly the envy of the world! BTW: I've already thought about it, and I'm not running for president!

I know exactly why. I know what it is about but it doesn’t make it right. The last thing I want is the government to have an excuse to take more money from me. I would rather pay more hospitals than to government. Nothing the government has ever touched has improved in the long run.

It can be done, it will be done, but it shouldn’t be done. The uniqueness of America has vanished because we try to copy the world today.

 

[gkekoa]

Therein lies the rub! Knowing the difference between a teachable moment and divisiveness by race seems to be lost on those who appear ready to equate what Obama did and what Trump is doing. Do you honestly believe that a beer summit bringing two differing points of view together in order to talk it through or at minimum set an example as to how it can be done, is the same as supporting a group that marched through an American city shouting, "Jews will not replace us!" are equal?

Not at all. What exactly was teachable? The police answered a call of a possible burglary. Then the homeowner shows up, and rather than calmly explaining he owns the house, he resists the police. You will say 5e police should have done something else. Here were the choices...
1- not respond and then be racist for not responding to a burglary at a black man’s home
2- respond.

The homeowner could have easily explained it is his house. No big deal.

Now, Obama immediately responded with race as the reason for escalation. Sorry but if the cops respond to a white person’s home and they are confrontational, the same thing happens.

It wasn’t about teaching...it was about playing the race card. He immediately blamed the police.

 

[gkekoa]

Obama said things about the ACA that ended up being lies because once it was passed, Health Insurance companies and medical providers changed the way they did business in some areas.

Trump has repeatedly said shit that he knows are lies, and he pushes those lies because the truth isnt scary enough to get most rational people to agree with him.

Obama flat out lied to the American people about Benghazi, and he had his minions lying.

Obama likely had the Tea Party screwed by the IRS and we would know if Lois Lerner wasn’t pleading the fifth and getting her pay anyways.

Obama definitely had the opposition party surveilled during an election...active participant versus Nixon’s mere covering.

Oh, so Obama was mistaken but Trump is a liar? Yeah...that isn’t hypocritical.

 

[gkekoa]

The ONLY thing unjustly done was denying Merrick Garland a confirmation hearing. Factually, the media had no influence whatsoever on Kavanaugh, the seat was already usurped and seating Kavanaugh was literally guaranteed having it. McConnell did that despite all claims that the media tried to stop the process, which is blatantly untrue! McConnell owned the process!

Define “unjust.” How was it morally wrong to deny Garland a confirmation hearing? It was within the power of the Senate to do exactly what they did. From there, thank Joe Biden for the idea. He supported that exact action.

 

[Stymietee]

To me a lot of this is just political jockeying or one-upmanship. It is interesting that virtually no one has responded to the threat that Trump poses to the rule of law and therefore the future of the country.

I can give passes to defending some of his lies, passes to some of his pathological shortcomings, passes to his obvious singling out of different segments and individuals because he has an aversion to them. We've had presidents who shared this sort of stuff, couldn't rub two nickels together to make a dime or had the intellectual efficiency of a sponge. What I cannot do and refuse to accept is attacks on the constitution and the rule of law that the current office holder continues to do. This is indefensible and I curse anyone who tries to do so!

The modern era of division didn't begin with Trump, Obama, Bush or Clinton, for that we have to go all the way back to 1968, a time of great hope shattered by mistrust, assassinations, a bitter, divisive, unwinnable war, freedom marches for basic human rights, segregation, and equal opportunity. There was a woman's movement afoot (The E.R.A.) and a host of other changes and movements too long to list. Couple all of this strife with a
presidential election featuring a fear-mongering, race-baiting candidate stoking white resentment; (Wallace, sound familiar) a long-shot lefty whipping up collegiate frenzy with his anti-status-quo message; (Humphrey) and an establishment front-runner who, recovering from a painful electoral defeat eight years earlier, was hoping to prove just likable enough to win. (Nixon) It might prove instructive to bone up on this pivotal time in U.S. politics.

 

[Sharkinva]

To me a lot of this is just political jockeying or one-upmanship. It is interesting that virtually no one has responded to the threat that Trump poses to the rule of law and therefore the future of the country.

I can give passes to defending some of his lies, passes to some of his pathological shortcomings, passes to his obvious singling out of different segments and individuals because he has an aversion to them. We've had presidents who shared this sort of stuff, couldn't rub two nickels together to make a dime or had the intellectual efficiency of a sponge. What I cannot do and refuse to accept is attacks on the constitution and the rule of law that the current office holder continues to do. This is indefensible and I curse anyone who tries to do so!

The modern era of division didn't begin with Trump, Obama, Bush or Clinton, for that we have to go all the way back to 1968, a time of great hope shattered by mistrust, assassinations, a bitter, divisive, unwinnable war, freedom marches for basic human rights, segregation, and equal opportunity. There was a woman's movement afoot (The E.R.A.) and a host of other changes and movements too long to list. Couple all of this strife with a
presidential election featuring a fear-mongering, race-baiting candidate stoking white resentment; (Wallace, sound familiar) a long-shot lefty whipping up collegiate frenzy with his anti-status-quo message; (Humphrey) and an establishment front-runner who, recovering from a painful electoral defeat eight years earlier, was hoping to prove just likable enough to win. (Nixon) It might prove instructive to bone up on this pivotal time in U.S. politics.

Thing is bro, I dont think they see it as an attack on the rule of law, so much as a readjusting of the law to fit the rules they are comfortable with.

 

[Stymietee]

I know exactly why. I know what it is about but it doesn’t make it right. The last thing I want is the government to have an excuse to take more money from me. I would rather pay more hospitals than to government. Nothing the government has ever touched has improved in the long run.

It can be done, it will be done, but it shouldn’t be done. The uniqueness of America has vanished because we try to copy the world today.

Honestly, none of us can afford the luxury of determining what's right or wrong in this instance, the options were firmly put into place long before either of us were alive. So, it all comes down to having a national healthcare plan or not having one. The cost to you will be what ever it will be no matter which option the country goes with. My point is that it's better to join in on making a more cost effective healthcare system because what we are currently doing is unsustainable.

I agree that "it can be done" and "it will be done" and refuse to believe that it "shouldn't be done," again citing the defense of the country and what the current "system" or lack of the same has wrought.

Up to 75 Percent of US Youth Ineligible for Military
The World's Largest Education Resourceus-youth-ineligible-for-military-service...

As we (generic we) fight endlessly over position, the country is going to shit. Trump isn't being helpful and reminds me of Wallace in the 1968 presidential race. I am certain that we can do much better than this!

 

[skinsdad62]

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[Sharkinva]

Honestly, none of us can afford the luxury of determining what's right or wrong in this instance, the options were firmly put into place long before either of us were alive. So, it all comes down to having a national healthcare plan or not having one. The cost to you will be what ever it will be no matter which option the country goes with. My point is that it's better to join in on making a more cost effective healthcare system because what we are currently doing is unsustainable.

I agree that "it can be done" and "it will be done" and refuse to believe that it "shouldn't be done," again citing the defense of the country and what the current "system" or lack of the same has wrought.

Up to 75 Percent of US Youth Ineligible for Military
The World's Largest Education Resourceus-youth-ineligible-for-military-service...

As we (generic we) fight endlessly over position, the country is going to shit. Trump isn't being helpful and reminds me of Wallace in the 1968 presidential race. I am certain that we can do much better than this!

You are basically debating universal affordable healthcare with someone who holds the position that if they cant afford the current system we should just let them suffer and die rather than being humane. Because if Humane costs him money on people he doesnt want to spend it on, well fuckem.

 

[Stymietee]

Thing is bro, I dont think they see it as an attack on the rule of law, so much as a readjusting of the law to fit the rules they are comfortable with.

Then we may as well disband as a nation. My best friend had his face blown off right next to me and every day following I wondered about a few inches here or there and It would have been me, and for what? You've served, @dad and @gkekoa also served among others, why, if there's to be no rule of law or adjustments to the same in order to appease the wanna be dictator?

 

[Stymietee]

Define “unjust.” How was it morally wrong to deny Garland a confirmation hearing? It was within the power of the Senate to do exactly what they did. From there, thank Joe Biden for the idea. He supported that exact action.

You want to change what I wrote to whether or not it was "morally" correct or not. I give you great credit for being a pretty smart guy, you know what "unjust" means and I'm sticking with what I wrote.

 

[Stymietee]

You are basically debating universal affordable healthcare with someone who holds the position that if they cant afford the current system we should just let them suffer and die rather than being humane. Because if Humane costs him money on people he doesnt want to spend it on, well fuckem.

Actually I'm appealing to the "Christian" that he says he is. You know WWJD!

 

[Sharkinva]

Then we may as well disband as a nation. My best friend had his face blown off right next to me and every day following I wondered about a few inches here or there and It would have been me, and for what? You've served, @dad and @gkekoa also served among others, why, if there's to be no rule of law or adjustments to the same in order to appease the wanna be dictator?

Because capitalism. The system only works if you have three classes.

1. The ruling (upper class)

2. The middle class. People who think the system would fail without them, and also have a fundamental belief that if they just work hard enough long enough that they too will some day be a part of the upper class.

3. The Lower class. The whole system actually hinges on having a lower class. Because it is the lower class that does the menial tasks deemed beneath the upper class. BUt more importantly an existence of a lower class gives the middle class someone to look down upon, as well as something to fear should they not work hard enough. Because what the middle class fears most is slipping into the lower class.

All this to say our current system and rule of law is setup to maintain this system, and any threat against this system will be met with an adjustment of the rule of law to maintain the system.

 

[Stymietee]

 

[Sharkinva]

Actually I'm appealing to the "Christian" that he says he is. You know WWJD!

Which Jesus??

 

[skinsdad62]

Your alternative

 

[skinsdad62]