politics thread

[Stymietee]

when you hold every liberal /socialist position it says what you are whether you admit it or not

OK, but on the other side of that coin are fake assed conservative, anti- American communist who's only committed idea is, "let's not do anything that makes life better for people" (corporations excepted) that identifies them as well.

 

[Stymietee]

who's should be whose, my mistake.

 

[gkekoa]

OK, but on the other side of that coin are fake assed conservative, anti- American communist who's only committed idea is, "let's not do anything that makes life better for people" (corporations excepted) that identifies them as well.

The job of the federal government is not to make our lives better. It is to defend our liberty.

 

[skinsdad62]

I suppose if you held every liberal position you'd be a liberal yes and same goes for socialist positions and being a socialist.

But considering I hold relatively few liberal positions, exactly 0 socialist positions, and quite a handful of conservative positions...

Wouldn't you agree that Im a conservative?

based on your positions absolutely not . not even close

 

[ehb5]

WTF are you spewing now. Where do you get this stuff. You still harping on the 'hanging from nooses' remark made by Clinton? Dude,, let it go. I personally wouldn't put it past her with my logical mind knowing some of the other shit she has said in the past. The funny thing is you don't know that it's NOT true. It's posted as truth by a couple sources... whether it is or not I really don't have time to care about. If everyone only posted shit that they were privy too and in the room for when it was said and all went down than I guess we would have a blank politics forum... now wouldn't we. Carry on with your rhetoric.

Well that's not the first or only thing to give me that impression of you but yes i was referring to your made up story.

You're justification for believing that is literally "some random guy on the internet said it happened and how do you know it DIDN'T happen"

Which is comical coming from somebody that claims to have a logical mind.

 

[ehb5]

based on your positions absolutely not . not even close

So to clarify...

Holding mostly conservative positions makes me...

A liberal and socialist?

And doesnt that make you a socialist?

 

[Stymietee]

The job of the federal government is not to make our lives better. It is to defend our liberty.

Thus making our lives better! That whole "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" thing has to mean something, right?

I know that there are folks who hate the expansive federal government, but history tells us that left to merely the people, states or even business, the failure rate is extremely high. Maybe some here should refocus their ire at that which will destroy the whole, after all we are ONLY as strong as our weakest link, and that's NOT the federal government!

 

[Stymietee]

So to clarify...

Holding mostly conservative positions makes me...

A liberal and socialist?

And doesnt that make you a socialist?

We are all socialist to some degree, any talk of anti-socialism is a stand against our military, police, fire, and a host of other socialistic programs in this country. It is however, a nice "talking point" and the propaganda mechanism that's driven this narrative is as anti-American as any that I've seen.

 

[skinsdad62]

So to clarify...

Holding mostly conservative positions makes me...

A liberal and socialist?

And doesnt that make you a socialist?

you hold almost no conservative positions

 

[Stymietee]

Show me the person who holds only conservative, only liberal or only socialist positions on everything and I'll show you a liar! Truth is, as citizens of this country, we all hold and support some parts of all of these political and economic theories.

 

[Stymietee]

ok what obstruction took place

I realize that most people aren't or weren't as eager to read the entire Mueller report as I was and that listing the 10 (actually there were 11) instances of obstruction would have been denied because of the source...me, had I paraphrased them in order to take less space here and invite readers to digest them all. There's also the misinformation about what "obstruction" actually is. Needing a "credible" source for the deniers or at least one coming from a more conservative source, I waited. That wait has now ended and I offer this from FOX news:


Napolitano: Why Was President Trump Not Charged With Obstruction Of Justice? "Is The President Above The …

Fox News senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano raises questions about Attorney General Bill Barr's …

 

[Sharkinva]

I realize that most people aren't or weren't as eager to read the entire Mueller report as I was and that listing the 10 (actually there were 11) instances of obstruction would have been denied because of the source...me, had I paraphrased them in order to take less space here and invite readers to digest them all. There's also the misinformation about what "obstruction" actually is. Needing a "credible" source for the deniers or at least one coming from a more conservative source, I waited. That wait has now ended and I offer this from FOX news:

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Napolitano: Why Was President Trump Not Charged With Obstruction Of Justice? "Is The President Above The …

Fox News senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano raises questions about Attorney General Bill Barr's …

He wasnt charged because the DOJ determined during watergate that a siting president should not be charged wit a crime and that it was up to congress to deal with a bad actor as President through impeachment.

 

[Stymietee]

He wasnt charged because the DOJ determined during watergate that a siting president should not be charged wit a crime and that it was up to congress to deal with a bad actor as President through impeachment.

Absolutely correct, in fact, while Mueller didn't say so in such plain terms, he often made reference to the OLC policy statement in his report. Clearly he was influenced by this and didn't take the position that his office's charge included officially indicting a president.

 

[Stymietee]

By the way, in case anyone want to read the OLC policy here it is: op-olc-v024-p0222_0.pdf

 

[ehb5]

you hold almost no conservative positions

I hold plenty. We've been over this before in this thread.

How are you calling somebody a socialist when you haven't even been paying attention enough to figure out what actual positions they hold?

 

[Sharkinva]

Absolutely correct, in fact, while Mueller didn't say so in such plain terms, he often made reference to the OLC policy statement in his report. Clearly he was influenced by this and didn't take the position that his office's charge included officially indicting a president.

I will go a step further. Knowing he was NOT going to charge a sitting President, I think it changed the whole way he approached all this. Because he knew he wasn't going to charge the President, and he would be wasting his time charging the Presidents kids, he approached this as can he lay out an investigation that would go to congress and let them decide.

 

[gkekoa]

Thus making our lives better! That whole "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" thing has to mean something, right?

I know that there are folks who hate the expansive federal government, but history tells us that left to merely the people, states or even business, the failure rate is extremely high. Maybe some here should refocus their ire at that which will destroy the whole, after all we are ONLY as strong as our weakest link, and that's NOT the federal government!

Yes...defend our lives...defend our liberty...and ALLOW us to pursue happiness.

Taking from one and giving to another is not defending our liberty.

Regulating us to death and detriment is not defending liberty.

There hasn’t been a government that overreaches to succeed in history. Maybe we should try another way. Freedom has led to the greatest advances ever.

The weakest link has little to do with success. What a BS statement.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I hold plenty. We've been over this before in this thread.

How are you calling somebody a socialist when you haven't even been paying attention enough to figure out what actual positions they hold?

I'm the same way. I am not conservative but middle of the road, hardly a hard core liberal, on many issues. But for some reason when the Trump supporters see us making ant-Trump comment they label us all radical liberals.

That tells me which side is thinking rationally and which side is not.

 

[Sharkinva]

I'm the same way. I am not conservative but middle of the road, hardly a hard core liberal, on many issues. But for some reason when the Trump supporters see us making ant-Trump comment they label us all radical liberals.

That tells me which side is thinking rationally and which side is not.

A true conservative would find a way to back the Republican President no matter what he does or says. Anyone else is just a liberal in denial. Or at least thats the logic being pushed in the GOP currently.

 

[Sportster 72]

I think both sides are pushing the "you don't know what you are talking about" … name calling etc.

Once upon a time we used to all be Americans. Well except for the illegal ones … …. just kidding, just kidding … a little humor can go a longggg way. At least until the liberal/deplorables get their butt up in the air.