politics thread

[j_y19]

Dude, thats all great information. But I tend to look at this in a historical as well as an expectational kind of view point.

Some Americans have been railing against migration from south of the border for well over 100 years now. And for mostly the wrong reasons. Now we are in a situation where you have millions of people in small spaces (CA, NY and a few other sanctuary cities) partly because these are the only places they feel even partly welcome and SAFE.

So my question is, if you have fostered a system where these people dont feel safe or even wanted in some parts of the country, you dont then get to scream see I told you this was bad for the country.

At the end of the day this is more about a broken system that some seem to want to turn into a money problem because it fits into what they actually want on a social level.

If your assumptions are correct, which I don't really buy, but lets assume they are. What do you expect to change in the next few years that is going to make them feel "safe and welcome" in other parts of the country? I'm taking realistically, not theoretically. Because in the short term, the faucet is still open and they are still coming across the border. So the problems I gave you with California are only going to get worse.

As for the broken system, you are correct. It is broken. So what is congress doing about it? Oh, and it is a MONEY problem. We can't afford to continue to grow our welfare rolls. We can't even help those less fortunate that are citizens. How about we figure out a real solution to addressing our own lower class until we ask more to join? This has nothing to do with skin color or language or sexual preference or all the other labels that are thrown out way to easily. This has to do with keeping this country fiscally sound. On its current path, we are not.

 

[Sharkinva]

First quit picking on West Virginia. I am spending 30% of my time and that amount is increasing.

Immigrants go to large cities for many reasons and I am not buying it is because they are afraid of folks in Kansas and Wisconsin. They go for jobs, they go there because there are others who they identify with etc. etc.

Why am I not in West Virginia full time? Ummm, I need to earn a wage …. not the easiest thing to do in WV. Many of the people I know there leave Almost Heaven during the week to work in MD, PA or VA.

Sorry, I don't think most are against immigration. I know I am not. I am for doing it by the law. We are not the only country that has laws regarding who and how you can come into a country.

If you knew that living in WV you were more likely to get stopped simply for the type of car you drove, harassed for the type of hat you are wearing and potentially harmed for the music you were playing at the time... would you still feel welcome and actually want to live there?? IM a born and raised citizen, I still aint moving to certain counties in certain states.

 

[Toadman005]

If you knew that living in WV you were more likely to get stopped simply for the type of car you drove, harassed for the type of hat you are wearing and potentially harmed for the music you were playing at the time... would you still feel welcome and actually want to live there?? IM a born and raised citizen, I still aint moving to certain counties in certain states.

Like wearing a MAGA hat in Portland?

 

[Toadman005]

 

[Sportster 72]

Like wearing a MAGA hat in Portland?

Or in DC where you could be confronted by an outstanding native American who served proudly in Vietnam and a well meaning religious group who did nothing to fan the flames of that situation.

shark, I can't speak for the entire state of WV but my GFs daughter in law asked me one day while we were driving to Winchester (aka civilization) how I felt about black people. I thought kind of like you (maybe) "oh lord, she is going to break out the white sheet on me." I told her I like black folks just fine, as a matter of fact a number of my nieces and nephews are from mixed race relationships." She said "good, we don't cotton to racist folks." Bad but funny joke. We should all learn to not be so touchy.

I wonder if it is racist to be nervous to walk around DC at night if you are white? I am not …. but many are. Just saying … Sort of reminds me of going to my HS school to watch my nephews play football when I was one of less than 10 white people there. After three or four years they got used to seeing me and called me White Chocolate.

 

[Sharkinva]

Like wearing a MAGA hat in Portland?

Or a hoodie in Florida wile carrying skittles.

 

[Toadman005]

Or a hoodie in Florida wile carrying skittles.

False equivalency. MAGA hat wearers are assaulted all the time. Lil Trayvon wasn't assaulted by Zimmerman, he assaulted Zimmerman....and then caught a bullet for his efforts.

 

[chillerdab]

You come off as unhinged. Just a casual observation. I don't know you, just an opinion formed at taking notice of you the last few days.

I cant say that I’m even a little bit upset that I come off as unhinged to somebody as ignorant - as absolutely deplorable, as they say in the trade - as whom you appear to be online.

More accurately, if I had to attach any emotion to it, I’d say schadenfreude is probably more apt.

 

[chillerdab]

Lowest black unemployment in history...yep.

First of all, “lowest black unemployment in history” is a made up stat. Its a bullshit talking point that dumbdumb and his flock like to throw around to sound as if they are not as stupid as they are.

How was that data calculated, pray tell?

Secondly, and most importantly, even if screwing over the middle class temporarily improves the economy, as is DumbDumbs motus operendi, the fact that you cant tell the difference has little to do with dumbdumb refusing to apologize for inciting violence against any american.

I post something about Deumpf being an asshole to an american, you counter with a non sequitor.

Very republican.

 

[chillerdab]

he lives in Washington Heights in NYC...

NYC is reverting back to the early 90s late 80s. NYC really needs Guiliani or Koch part 2. Look how much it has regressed over the past 10 years.

As I said on the other thread, you hold the record for “longest grudge.”

I havent lived in washington heights in five years, psychokiller, but dont let facts get in the way of your rage.

BTW: I was in washington heights yesterday. Its as beautiful now as it was five years ago when I lived there last.

Ignorantly talking shit about something you dont know anything about, then getting unreasonably angry when your bullshit is called out. You MUST be Republican.

 

[Sharkinva]

First of all, “lowest black unemployment in history” is a made up stat. Its a bullshit talking point that dumbdumb and his flock like to throw around to sound as if they are not as stupid as they are.

How was that data calculated, pray tell?

Secondly, and most importantly, even if screwing over the middle class temporarily improves the economy, as is DumbDumbs motus operendi, the fact that you cant tell the difference has little to do with dumbdumb refusing to apologize for inciting violence against any american.

I post something about Deumpf being an asshole to an american, you counter with a non sequitor.

Very republican.

Give credit where it is due. It is the lowest overall unemployment in history. And as a result black people have seen a reduction in unemployment in the community.

1. That was an ancillary result of unemployment going down across the board.
2. Underemployment and income inequality are still major issues that Trump has no intention of addressing.

 

[Toadman005]

I cant say that I’m even a little bit upset that I come off as unhinged to somebody as ignorant - as absolutely deplorable, as they say in the trade - as whom you appear to be online.

More accurately, if I had to attach any emotion to it, I’d say schadenfreude is probably more apt.

The opinion of the unhinged. Taken for what it's worth: nothing.

 

[chillerdab]

She is a very intelligent woman. You might want to listen to her just to understand.

Oh, a professional shitstirrer trying to get her two minutes of fame by saying the dumbest fucking shit to the ignorant masses on the right.

Got it.

Kind of like that other moron, Tami Somethingorother.

I dis enjoy actually smart person Ted Lieu absolutely obliterate her in congress. That was awesome!

 

[chillerdab]

The opinion of the unhinged. Taken for what it's worth: nothing.

Sure thing, “Toadman.”

Hard to play it cool when you respond immediately, no?

Try not to pop a vein.

 

[chillerdab]

Candace Owens - RationalWiki

A college dropout nobody, with ties to InfoWars:

Bwaahahahahahha!!!!!!

 

[chillerdab]

As long as we’re posting hot garbage for the ignorant right, you people might as well read the good stuff from the well-informed, rational left:

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5cb715d2e4b098b9a2dd43ca

Yup. There’s actual Christian, Mayor Pete, out there schooling anti-Christian right wing mouthbreathers.

Keep up the good fight, Mayor Pete! Soooo many fake right wing Christians to save!

 

[chillerdab]

I like this title, because the well informed on the left already know this to be true:

Poll: AG William Barr didn't fool anyone with his cover up except Republicans

Nobody fooled but Republicans.

 

[Toadman005]

Candace Owens - RationalWiki

A college dropout nobody, with ties to InfoWars:

Bwaahahahahahha!!!!!!

She was brought before Congress just last week, and eviscerated the democrats - and the entire farce of increased white supremacist hate crimes- in what was C-SPANs most watched video, ever. Trying to mitigate her, while claiming (feigning I believe) to be ignorant about her is foolish, and just makes you look dumb.

 

[Sportster 72]

Thank god we aren't all ignorant. Just saying …. if we could all learn to be chill.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I like this title, because the well informed on the left already know this to be true:

Poll: AG William Barr didn't fool anyone with his cover up except Republicans

Nobody fooled but Republicans.

I never thought there was collusion but it sure looked like obstruction was in play. Hell his interview with Lester Holt when he admitted his firing of Comey was related to "the Russian thing" sure looks like it to me. But I'm not a lawyer. Still it's fair to question the summary from a hand picked Trump guy, a man who has spoken out about the investigation in the past.

I did get a kick out of the approval ratings not moving much after this summary was released. There are a whole lot of people in the middle, neither a huge supporter or a huge hater, and they appeared unmoved by Barr's summary. I think that's pretty telling.