politics thread

[gkekoa]

de·moc·ra·cy
[dəˈmäkrəsē]
NOUN

1. a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
   "capitalism and democracy are ascendant in the third world"
   synonyms:
   representative government · elective government · constitutional government · popular government · self-government · government by the people · autonomy · republic · commonwealth
   • a state governed by a democracy.
     "a multiparty democracy"
   • control of an organization or group by the majority of its members.
     "the intended extension of industrial democracy"
   • the practice or principles of social equality.
     "demands for greater democracy"

What's your point, other than to slowly agree with me?

Not at all. Your term democracy is far too vague and republic is far more accurate. From there, your eligible members of the state can’t take away the RIGHTS of the people.

 

[gkekoa]

Are we talking about slavery in this country, correct? I am aware of the fact that there were a few slave owners who themselves were people from the continent, but, how is it supportive of an argument in favor of this human wrongdoing?

See, when you dip into absurdity, you begin to lose credibility. People of all stripes owned human property, this was NOT limited to one political party or the other.

When did I say slavery wasn’t wrong?

How is it absurd for me to point out that black people owned slaves and were considered people as slaveowners in a conversation where you are trying to say the US was all white? You lose all credibility by making absolute statements that are full of shit.

 

[skinsdad62]

Are you arguing that democracy is bad and...socialist?

Youre senators and congressmen are elected by mob rule?

Thinking we need to change our laws is a pretty american thing Id say. You might want to consider that the people pushing for a popular vote just have different values and principles than you. Not better, not worse.

if you dont understand the basics i cant help you .

your lack of understanding the constitution is almost alarming

if you dont know why we are a republic i cant help you

instead of buying false collusion staging soft coups or rioting or doing away with parts of the Constitution you dont like i have a really novel idea

put your ideas in the public arena , debate them and win the votes in conjunction with our laws

again no one on your side was crying about the electoral college when obama won

 

[gkekoa]

Did somebody say that Trump or trump supporters wanted to reinstate slavery? And if not then what does that have to do with convincing somebody of anything in this thread? Im pretty sure there are a lot of anti trump people in this thread who dont think trump is bringing back slavery.

I dont think anybody in this thread resents white folks. Acknowledging the existence of (believing in, if you prefer) white privilege doesnt mean you resent white folks.

And if it DOES mean that to you then you have a VERY low bar for what constitutes resentment towards a group of people and you may want to ask yourself why you are only complaining about the resentment towards white folks.

You make a patently false claim and then call it scary - thats like if I said Trump supporters would have voted for "Bin Ladens uncle Leo chanting death to all americans over Hillary. Scary"

Not to mention its a completely irrelevant scenario. Why dont you focus on that there are realistic alternatives to Trump.

Ehh. I dont know who im voting for yet. (THough it will probably be somebody with a D by their name and it definitely wont be Trump).

The only people I have seen claim trump doesnt get the respect he deserves are people who had no respect for obama.

As far as actually respecting trump? Nah. He was never somebody worthy of respect and we dont need idol worship in this country. Him being president doesnt earn him my respect.

If you make statements that the US needs to be less white, then you resent white people.

 

[Sharkinva]

If you make statements that the US needs to be less white, then you resent white people.

I feel like this was directed at me.

I dont resent white people as a whole. I do resent the hell out of those white people that feel they are somehow superior because they were born white. Because they also tend to be the ones deathly afraid that if they are outnumbered by another ethnic group, then America will somehow fail because only THEY can maintain order and American Culture.

I dont think there needs to be less white people, just more of the other particular ethnic groups represented in this country.

 

[Stymietee]

Well, this was an intelligent, well thought out counter argument.

Intelligent well considered points have little effect on some here. Sometimes you have to go to places where they prefer to be.

 

[Toadman005]

I feel like this was directed at me.

I dont resent white people as a whole. I do resent the hell out of those white people that feel they are somehow superior because they were born white. Because they also tend to be the ones deathly afraid that if they are outnumbered by another ethnic group, then America will somehow fail because only THEY can maintain order and American Culture.

I dont think there needs to be less white people, just more of the other particular ethnic groups represented in this country.

Back that up with reasons. Because everyone just saw you (pathetically) single out white racists to mask your previous white resentment comments.

 

[Stymietee]

1- There is nothing scientific about what you just posted.

2- You do realize that isn’t condoning slavery as much as it is giving rules to when it happens. Slavery was a fact of life in this time.

How is this contradictory?

Again, show me in the Bible where it shows white people are superior. Does it mention race regarding slavery? Nope.

4- why don’t you support the couple that wants to kill their three year old? If killing a three year old was legal, would you sit by and watch it happen?

1. Then you've totally missed the point.

2. So, creating a justification that supports it isn't condoning...got it!

3. Who said that any particular race was superior biblically? U.S slavery was unlike any in history in it's inhumanity and had zero resemblance to that of biblical retelling. When one group convinces itself that another is no more than the beasts of burden and accepts this passage from their bible....

"GOD GAVE MAN DOMINION OVER ANIMALS. Genesis 1:26-28. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Is it really that difficult to see where this superiority complex comes from?

4. What's the rationale for killing a 3 y/o? Now, I don't like breaking news to you but suicide is also legal in this country. Not in the conventional sense but because people smoke, they lack sufficient health care, or access to it, consume alcohol etc. etc...yet I don't see where you are doing more than sitting around and letting it happen. If somehow there was a law justifying ending the life of a 3 year old, then I must insist once more, that is the business of those who want to do that within the legal parameters of said law.

 

[Sharkinva]

Back that up with reasons. Because everyone just saw you (pathetically) single out white racists to mask your previous white resentment comments.

reasoning is rather logical and fits into what this country supposedly espouses.

Its called equal representation. And honestly, you cant have any sort of equal representation when one particular group vastly outnumbers all other groups. Because that just leads to lip service from the "dominant" group in most cases. We have seen for generations in this country, things dont change unless those in power are made uncomfortable.

 

[Stymietee]

Not at all. Your term democracy is far too vague and republic is far more accurate. From there, your eligible members of the state can’t take away the RIGHTS of the people.

Started to respond but, never mind. I think that you enjoy the argument better than what's revealed in it.

(For the record, I enjoy the argument as well, this one has no other outcome beyond, "yes it is"..."no it's not.")

 

[Toadman005]

reasoning is rather logical and fits into what this country supposedly espouses.

Its called equal representation. And honestly, you cant have any sort of equal representation when one particular group vastly outnumbers all other groups. Because that just leads to lip service from the "dominant" group in most cases. We have seen for generations in this country, things dont change unless those in power are made uncomfortable.

So, does this equal representation only apply to America and white countries? Or should whites begin migrating to Africa, Asians to the Middle East, blacks to Asia, etc?

 

[Sharkinva]

So, does this equal representation only apply to America and white countries? Or should whites begin migrating to Africa, Asians to the Middle East, blacks to Asia, etc?

GO for it. Honestly I would have no problem with it as long as they didnt do what they historically done. Which is to say, show up and act nice only to try and wipe out the indigenous population.

 

[Stymietee]

When did I say slavery wasn’t wrong?

How is it absurd for me to point out that black people owned slaves and were considered people as slaveowners in a conversation where you are trying to say the US was all white? You lose all credibility by making absolute statements that are full of shit.

I will get on my knees and beg for forgiveness, if you can do a search to show me where I used the word "all." If you can not then you have to apologize, deal? Let's see who's full of shit!

 

[Stymietee]

Joe Bastardi: Climate change agenda is being driven by hysteria, not facts

Things climate alarmist won’t read

Read it, and although I'm no alarmist, I must insist that this guy is easily in the minority on the subject.

 

[Toadman005]

GO for it. Honestly I would have no problem with it as long as they didnt do what they historically done. Which is to say, show up and act nice only to try and wipe out the indigenous population.

And yet you don't see how your comments are viewed as racist against whites. Jesus.

 

[Sharkinva]

And yet you don't see how your comments are viewed as racist against whites. Jesus.

When did stating a simple historic truth become racist?? You asked if i had a problem with whites migrating to predominantly black or middle eastern countries. I simply said go for it. Just make sure its a migration/immigration and not the historical colonization by force of arms.

 

[Stymietee]

If you don’t understand why democracies have failed in the past because of popular. Vote the you need to take a real poly sci class not taught by a socialist . Direct vote is mob rule . Candidates would only have to campaign in high population states or cities while other parts of the country wouldn’t have their issues addressed.

Now popular vote on a state or local level is fine because individual states send senators and congressmen to represent them but a president represents the whole country

Now I know damn good and well if HRC had won this electoral college BS. Wouldn’t be an issue

We have laws and checks and balances the founding fathers were wise enough to put in .

Say Donald Trump wins the popular vote this time but loses or ties in the EC . My guy stands to lose when it’s thrown into the House of Representatives ( if tied or not at 279)

Now will I be pissed ? Yes will I cry like a bitch and want a change ? No Why ? It’s called having values and principals and respect for our laws

Interesting!!

Your second line justifies the need to eliminate the COE.

If HRC had won all motions to do away with the COE wouldn't change at all. here are two examples that show parts of the historical root of such movements.

Critics Work To Get Rid Of The Electoral College : NPR
https://www.npr.org/2016/11/17/502292749/critics-move-to-trash-the...

Why did Andrew Jackson want to abolish the Electoral ...
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130513154447AASBKL9

Now about your scenario...if the COE weren't in play it wouldn't have to go to the HOR...right?

 

[Stymietee]

My response to any Dems questioning whether someone in Trump’s staff deserves security clearance would be: Did Hillary Clinton lose her security clearance after exposing 100 classified docs to Russia, China, North Korea & Anthony Wiener’s laptop? No? Then shut your pie holes.

WOW!! The old "you did it too" defense huh? Country be damned because...well...you know, two wrongs does make it right!

 

[Stymietee]

Im curious what made HRC the much worse option? Was it just policy? Because it seems hard to imagine youll have a more favorable policy option from Dems in 2020 if you prefer trumps policies to her.

If its the general sleaze, corruption, and security issues I have a hard time seeing how trump could be an option in 2020.

FWIW, I think Hillary was a bad candidate, but Trump was easily worse imo (which is really saying something).

Fear, religion, and the ability to pack the courts with judges who will uphold "truth, justice, and the American way" was the driver for voting for Trump. Well, in hindsight, maybe(their) truth and (their) justice could take a few hits, but when it comes to that whole "American way" thing, they are singing in unison, "can't touch this!"

 

[Toadman005]

When did stating a simple historic truth become racist?? You asked if i had a problem with whites migrating to predominantly black or middle eastern countries. I simply said go for it. Just make sure its a migration/immigration and not the historical colonization by force of arms.

Violence by migrating/invading groups is a universal historical constant by all races. Whites are no different, save in the long run, they ultimately improved most of the places they migrated.