politics thread

[Stymietee]

1- There is a ton of evidence to refute man-made climate change. Google it. Give me some specifics that you are referring to if you want to have an intelligent discussion.

2- See number 1. The evidence you claim has been refuted many times and the results have been proven wrong EVERY time.

3- You believe late term abortion is wrong. Others believe first term abortion is wrong. Why do you believe late term abortion is wrong? If you believe it is wrong because it is a human being, there is no difference in our positions except for when a human life begins. Explain how it is a straw man argument when I asked a simple question. Is it ok to fight against what you view as murder?

4- You weren’t talking about medical marijuana. You were referring to recreational use. As for being less harmful than alcohol, that is debatable as well. Using the idea of legalization as a money-maker is not a relevant argument. Either recreational use is good because it is good or it isn’t. Do you not see any draw backs of recreational legalization? BTW, I am not against legalization but understand how some are.

5- WTF? How did you bring up animal extinction? Wouldn’t fewer causes of CO2 be a good thing for you environmentalists? Honestly, who cares if animals go extinct? To use your words, how does that affect you?

1. Show it! I'm open to peer reviewed findings.

3. It's no one's business other than the father and mother. Time to stand up for personal liberties!

4. Again show your work. (debatable that it's more harmful than alcohol) We agree on legalization.

5. I know that this is another talking point by the do nothing crowd but let me appeal to your common sense.

Our atmosphere consists of 78.08% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% Argon and 0.03% carbon dioxide, and some inert gases and water vapor. This is the balance necessary for us to have air to breathe, correct?

Now stick with me for a moment because according to every stat that I could find (and I welcome your findings) in 2017 just about 5.14 billion metric tons of CO2 emissions were produced from energy use in the U.S.

Here's the question using your common sense: What happens to air quality when there's continued mixtures of large amounts of CO2 into that balance?

 

[Stymietee]

Im all for abortion if the female is raped or the doctors conclude that the child will have severe deformities or a life altering disease. No one can really claim,,, not many anyway, that they would never consider an abortion. Unless you have been in that situation and said no... have the baby... then nobody should talk. The situation is sad because kids are gonna screw. We're a sexual species. You, me and every other person on here was trying to get laid throughout high school. So if a 16 or 17 year old girl gets pregnant the 17 or 18 year old guy guy is off and running in more cases than not. Abortion sucks,, we all understand that, but in reality abortion is needed. However, I don't support it but I can't fault anybody for choosing it... everyone has there reasons, and I'm nobody's judge. However, killing after the baby has been born is obviously murder. Why some can't comprehend that is beyond me,,, and frankly... quite concerning. The way some liberals having been acting,, throwing abortion parties,,, boycotting areas that have unfavorable abortion laws.,, etc etc... is also concerning. We as a people have falling away from human value, and thats sad, but respect others for a choice made. Nobody is in their shoes. It's crazy,, if God never put feeling in sex we would have no rapes, no unwanted pregnancies,,, possibly no wars and certainly no infidelity. Sex ruins more lives but nobody would do without it. It's a chance worth taking. So many questions I have for God if allowed to ever ask.

I'm listening my son, ask your questions!

Hell if people can make one up, why can't I pretend to be it?

 

[Sportster 72]

Getting rid of the electoral college is the most asinine idea of all time. Lets just let large urban cities decided who will be president. Luckily the founding fathers were much smarter than that.

 

[eaglesnut]

Obama handpicked Brennan to attack his domestic enemies with the CIA.

Handpicked him.

Really sad. The first (half) black president we ever had chose to behave this way.

Hnmmmmm how could Africa be so fucked up?

 

[reptec101]

Getting rid of the electoral college is the most asinine idea of all time. Lets just let large urban cities decided who will be president. Luckily the founding fathers were much smarter than that.

It won't matter how the votes are tallied up at the end of the day.
Signed: The FBI (we scratch your back so you don't have too)

 

[gkekoa]

How exactly do you insist on using "majority" when at it's founding and multiple generations to follow so-called "whites" were the only group that had any legitimate, legally recognized, rights?

Because it is a majority when black and Hispanic people existed in the country, or other religions existed. It isn’t complicated.

 

[gkekoa]

Are you sure that it exists for that reason? I'm pretty sure that it came into play when one man one vote took a decided turn when southern states counted their 2/5 votes giving them a decisive electoral advantage. In fact, because of this Virginians for 32 of the first 36 Constitutional years, occupied the Presidency. As pointed observers remarked at the time, "Thomas Jefferson metaphorically rode into the executive mansion on the backs of slaves."

BTW: you're only partially correct about this country's moorings. A republic is a representative form of democracy. We are not a pure republic nor a pure democracy. This is a hybrid nation that takes a bit from other forms of governing and made it uniquely our own. This is why I don't understand the reasons why we've gotten ourselves into an either/or situation concerning many issues, when the history of the people of this nation has been to, demonstrate to the world that we are able to take the best of every other nation on (name your issue) and create something that the world envies.

Actually, it is exactly for that reason. Without the electoral college, only a handful of states would rules for all other states. TBH, every state should count as one vote, population be damned.

We are 100% a republic. We elect representatives. There are democratic principles but the people can’t strip the rights of others, regardless of vote.

 

[gkekoa]

If freedom is the goal for every individual in the country, then Roe v. Wade was not properly adjudicated. Considering both sides of this issue, the court had every right and obligation to protect the freedom and right of the individual instead of allowing the fight to be decided on a one side vs the other as it did because in doing so, neither side was going to be happy.

Roe v. Wade should have been ruled, as it was, an individual's choice with no interference from the government and no efforts made by the same to restrict access to the procedure. Now there might be objections based upon one's religious perspective, but honestly, someone's right to impose their religious beliefs upon someone else is covered by commonly accepted practice as outlined in the first amendment. Other objections based on law against murder/killing won't cut it either as the law refers to an individual human being and defined here...

1 U.S. Code: § 8 “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and ...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/8

Let me cut to the chase, UNLESS you are the perspective mother or father, it's NOT your business anymore than it is to say who can or cannot utilize our roads or highways. We all pay for those too! Socialism huh?

So we shouldn’t use science? Law doesn’t matter in a moral argument...unless you agree that slavery was moral when it was legal. We both know you won’t.

Here is the thing you refuse to accept. Just like conservatives fought for human acceptance of blacks based on a moral argument, is the same reason conservatives fight for personhood of the unborn based on a scientific moral argument.

If you believe it is up to the mother/father (father’s get no say), then you believe four year olds should be allowed to be killed.

 

[gkekoa]

1. Show it! I'm open to peer reviewed findings.

3. It's no one's business other than the father and mother. Time to stand up for personal liberties!

4. Again show your work. (debatable that it's more harmful than alcohol) We agree on legalization.

5. I know that this is another talking point by the do nothing crowd but let me appeal to your common sense.

Our atmosphere consists of 78.08% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% Argon and 0.03% carbon dioxide, and some inert gases and water vapor. This is the balance necessary for us to have air to breathe, correct?

Now stick with me for a moment because according to every stat that I could find (and I welcome your findings) in 2017 just about 5.14 billion metric tons of CO2 emissions were produced from energy use in the U.S.

Here's the question using your common sense: What happens to air quality when there's continued mixtures of large amounts of CO2 into that balance?

1- List of scientists who disagree with the scientific consensus on global warming - Wikipedia. Feel free to research what this list says about scientists who disagree.

3- We are standing up for individual liberties according to science. Children are people too. I am sorry but parents should not be allowed to murder their four year olds.

4- Adverse Health Effects of Marijuana Use
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/marijuana-use-and-its-effects#1
Health Effects | Marijuana | CDC

5- Fair question...who knows the answer? Nobody. If we cut our emissions, which we have cut more than any other country, do you believe developing nations won’t pick up the slack? Has that immense amount of CO2 really changed the atmosphere today?

 

[Toadman005]

Actually it was John McCain and his BFF Linsey Graham who turned it over for investigation. There was no attempted coup. Classic Trump derangement at work. The cult lives!

Songbird McCain is rotting under the ground.

 

[Sportster 72]

Obama handpicked Brennan to attack his domestic enemies with the CIA.

Handpicked him.

Really sad. The first (half) black president we ever had chose to behave this way.

Hnmmmmm how could Africa be so fucked up?

Considering I don't think Nixon was African descent I don't think this comment is quite fair.

 

[skinsdad62]

Isn't it true that people vote? Where they live in greater numbers explains why there's a need to finally hit the delete button on the college of electors.

Democracy is mob rule. We are a republic. Democracy is nothing more then a socialist. Trick

 

[skinsdad62]

Actually it was John McCain and his BFF Linsey Graham who turned it over for investigation. There was no attempted coup. Classic Trump derangement at work. The cult lives!

Most definitely was a coup attempt. As I shown over and over again .

 

[Stymietee]

Because it is a majority when black and Hispanic people existed in the country, or other religions existed. It isn’t complicated.

I see where you're coming from and it's a good POV looking back, however, at the time there weren't any people of color in the United States as they were either considered property and not human/people or in the case of Spanish, living in territories not associated with the United States.

 

[Stymietee]

Actually, it is exactly for that reason. Without the electoral college, only a handful of states would rules for all other states. TBH, every state should count as one vote, population be damned.

We are 100% a republic. We elect representatives. There are democratic principles but the people can’t strip the rights of others, regardless of vote.

OK, but can you source that for me?

We aren't 100% anything. Electing representatives isn't the sole determinant in establishing what this country is.

 

[Stymietee]

So we shouldn’t use science? Law doesn’t matter in a moral argument...unless you agree that slavery was moral when it was legal. We both know you won’t.

Here is the thing you refuse to accept. Just like conservatives fought for human acceptance of blacks based on a moral argument, is the same reason conservatives fight for personhood of the unborn based on a scientific moral argument.

If you believe it is up to the mother/father (father’s get no say), then you believe four year olds should be allowed to be killed.

We should absolutely use science, in fact science is exactly what's used in forming the legal definition of the term "human being. " and why abortion is and should remain legal.

Correction ole' buddy, at the time biblical and therefore moral argument was EXACTLY the basis upon which slavery became legal. So contrary to you assumption, slavery was indeed in line with existing morality standards in this country. Further, and I know that you didn't ask, the same biblical/ moral standards continue to fuel reasons to denote differences in color today including reactions pro and con to the same.

There's a reason why I cannot accept you argument, because it's not true. Conservatives never fought in favor of humanizing what was considered property. I'm not sure where you're getting your information from but I would love to see (actually read) that from which you draw historical reference. Care to share?

Finally, you actually wrote this..."If you believe it is up to the mother/father (father’s get no say), then you believe four year olds should be allowed to be killed."

I never said that the father gets no say, you did, however, it is factual that males who have reached a certain age probably won't have a say while men will always have meaningful input. ( I hope that you appreciate the differences) The 4 year old thing is just nonsense and is unrelated to my premise.

 

[Stymietee]

1- List of scientists who disagree with the scientific consensus on global warming - Wikipedia. Feel free to research what this list says about scientists who disagree.

3- We are standing up for individual liberties according to science. Children are people too. I am sorry but parents should not be allowed to murder their four year olds.

4- Adverse Health Effects of Marijuana Use
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/marijuana-use-and-its-effects#1
Health Effects | Marijuana | CDC

5- Fair question...who knows the answer? Nobody. If we cut our emissions, which we have cut more than any other country, do you believe developing nations won’t pick up the slack? Has that immense amount of CO2 really changed the atmosphere today?

1. Did you read your Wiki piece at all? This is directly from your source and pretty much explains where the short list provided fits within the overall scientific community who agree on human involvement in climate change. BTW: it's climate change not global warming which falls under the umbrella of CC.



But let me add a better source...

Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs ...
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus

3. Agreed, 4 year old's should not be murdered

4. I've read a lot of the current research on the adverse effects of MJ use and won't argue the findings unless and until the materials have been peer reviewed and there are more supportive studies done. I must admit the data is... interesting.

5. Who knows the answer? Well, almost any high school chemistry student who's been taught atomic structure, The Periodic Table of Elements, Chemical bonding, Liquid and solid phase changes, and gaseous Solutions.

This country falls far behind other countries in attacking the dangers of climate change.

Yes there's a significant change in the atmosphere. We have actual models showing how people have adapted to carbon emissions filling the air in Japan and China where masks are now considered part of everyday wear for those people who still care about their health.

Images of people wearing masks in china because of air pollution.

Images of people wearing masks in japan because of air pollution

 

[Stymietee]

Songbird McCain is rotting under the ground.

Interesting, but even more so because the fact is...McCain and Graham did this and the jackass cult leader has flock believing BS about the nonsense "deep state" and his made up enemies list.

 

[Stymietee]

Democracy is mob rule. We are a republic. Democracy is nothing more then a socialist. Trick

Didn't you serve in the socialist military? Do you support the police, fire, drive on roads, breathe (hopefully) cleaner air, drink and use water? How about supporting you favorite football team who's owner(s) depends on the socialist infrastructure? C'mon man, do better than argue against yourself!

 

[Stymietee]

Most definitely was a coup attempt. As I shown over and over again .

your "facts" are suspect at best. Nobody put the words into Trump's mouth or did what he does except himself. You refuse to accept anything contrary to your own skewed POV. To be honest, it's cult like and a bit disheartening to note how his destructive rhetoric is so easily believed.

BTW: If we're honest, we would admit that it's NOT the MSN, liberalism, conservatism nor any of these other "talking point" divisive standards that's at the roots of our problems...It's ignorance and apathy... which, if you're paying attention, crosses all of these standards.