politics thread

[j_y19]

Look guys, you both pretend that race has NOTHING to do with it. Even when shown that our immigration laws, especially when talking about the southern border were built specifically to prevent a particular race from coming into the country. You act as if senior advisors who have shown that its about race, mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. And elected officials pushing white supremacy agendas, well that should just be ignored.

I take both of you guys at your word when you say, its not about race for you. But I also realize that the fear Trump pushes, and our immigration system at large was designed to keep America as a certain racial majority, and if nothing else keep a certain racial group in control as much as humanly possible.

May be true. Then how do you explain Obama's position on the same issue? His policies are almost identical to Trump's (and the Bushes, Clinton, etc.). I speak for myself primarily, but I am also aware of many like me. And race has zero to do with it for me. I'd suggest you stop grouping all of us that look alike together as to our motivations to keep our borders secure.

 

[reptec101]

May be true. Then how do you explain Obama's position on the same issue? His policies are almost identical to Trump's (and the Bushes, Clinton, etc.). I speak for myself primarily, but I am also aware of many like me. And race has zero to do with it for me. I'd suggest you stop grouping all of us that look alike together as to our motivations to keep our borders secure.

He can't explain it, or at least avoids the question. Just like the hypocrites in office (im not calling Sty one) but those in office who are on video saying one thing then under new party administration say another. They never have to explain themselves. Why is it always about race. Convenience I guess. Just like the Russian collusion weve had to endure over the last 2 years. No mention of "we were wrong" will ever be uttered by the elected officials or the liberal media... they'll just move on to the next hoax. Trumps an asshole... everyone understands that, but he is the president. Imagine what this country (all races of legal citizenship) could accomplish if both party's worked more together on policies then trying to take each other down. What a great saying.. "A Country Divided Cannot Stand." Yet we do everything we can to keep it that way.

 

[j_y19]

He can't explain it, or at least avoids the question. Just like the hypocrites in office (im not calling Sty one) but those in office who are on video saying one thing then under new party administration say another. They never have to explain themselves. Why is it always about race. Convenience I guess. Just like the Russian collusion weve had to endure over the last 2 years. No mention of "we were wrong" will ever be uttered by the elected officials or the liberal media... they'll just move on to the next hoax. Trumps an asshole... everyone understands that, but he is the president. Imagine what this country (all races of legal citizenship) could accomplish if both party's worked more together on policies then trying to take each other down. What a great saying.. "A Country Divided Cannot Stand." Yet we do everything we can to keep it that way.

This.

 

[Toadman005]

Never said anything about praising him, just would hope our President wouldnt be so immature.

Very fair, and, agreed.

 

[Toadman005]

People, the main and necessary part of border security are neither cardboard nor brick. For the record anecdotal evidence isn't fact/data based evidence at all.

Scared to answer huh?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Well, if you would take a breath and read what I and others have posted, no one is debating if taking care of the planet is a good thing. That's is all you see because thats what you want to see. What I and others are trying to get you to consider is that there may be other options to achieve the same results with more efficiency and effectiveness. Just because funding as a line item may have been cut doesn't mean that clean up efforts are dropped. It may just mean that they are considering other funding methods. Tax incentives to companies to invest in these efforts, for example. But you hate for Trump automatically goes to "he doesn't care about the environment" with out investigating the Administration's full position.

But I have read the response, they consisted of comments such as "the Great Lakes are fine" and "what about China?" when the discussion is about America's waters. If you can supply viable links to support your theory that President Trump is coming up with other plans to help preserve our environment I'm willing to listen. Until then it's simply speculation on your part.

From my end I see a dramatic reduction in the funding for environmental efforts, including the EPA, as he gives tax breaks to polluters and scraps regulations and it's pretty clear what his position is and it should come as no surprise: Commerce over the environment.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Again Obama cut this and you were silent !

So how the hell did it start with Trump ?

This last budget Trumpn SIGNED it gave 300 million to the clean up !!!!!

You are whining about a budget that isn’t signed yet. . And again if Obama felt it wasn’t important enough to warrant the expense then why tell falsehoods on Trump ?

So far he hasn’t cut a damn thing !

And you want to talk about water and clean up you leave out flint and the Obama disaster committed by his EPA !

Obama never made cuts this dramatic. If you compared the policies of the 2 Presidents one was much more concerned about the environment than the other and it's not even close. Obama was no more responsible for the waters in Flint than Trump bears responsibility for the shooter in Las Vegas.

 

[Toadman005]

Problem is, I helped build the house too.

No, you didn't. The house was built by my grandfather, and I have every right to it, and who walks in the front door. Now, the guy walking down the street? He can live in the neighborhood, if he applies for and buys a house, and pays his HOA fees, and I'll welcome him with open arms. if he breaks into the empty house at the end of the cut-de-sac, starts squatting, and stealing my tomatoes for my garden, well, that's a problem.

And while you might think every person walking down the road wants to rob you and take your women, the guy walking down the road bothers me a tad less than the guy living in the other room.

I don't care what does and doesn't bother you. You're prejudice.

 

[Sharkinva]

May be true. Then how do you explain Obama's position on the same issue? His policies are almost identical to Trump's (and the Bushes, Clinton, etc.). I speak for myself primarily, but I am also aware of many like me. And race has zero to do with it for me. I'd suggest you stop grouping all of us that look alike together as to our motivations to keep our borders secure.

And there is the false equivalency so many use to try and excuse what Trump is doing. Its not the policy I have an issue with. Lord knows some of the people coming across needed to be seperated from children if in fact the kids were not theirs, or the kids were in danger. But the reality is in HOW the policy was enacted under Trump. Bush, Obama, Clinton all ran with these policies as last resort. Trump decided to ramp up on the harshness intentionally.

And again I will say, I can only take you at your word as far as why you are so supportive of the current way border security is being addressed. But I have also shown where our border policy got its roots. And we know that there are some for whom it is about race first and foremost. And just as you dont like people to assume you are more concerned with keeping America a white Christian America, there are those of us who have had to deal with stereotypes for years and still do.

 

[Sharkinva]

He can't explain it, or at least avoids the question. Just like the hypocrites in office (im not calling Sty one) but those in office who are on video saying one thing then under new party administration say another. They never have to explain themselves. Why is it always about race. Convenience I guess. Just like the Russian collusion weve had to endure over the last 2 years. No mention of "we were wrong" will ever be uttered by the elected officials or the liberal media... they'll just move on to the next hoax. Trumps an asshole... everyone understands that, but he is the president. Imagine what this country (all races of legal citizenship) could accomplish if both party's worked more together on policies then trying to take each other down. What a great saying.. "A Country Divided Cannot Stand." Yet we do everything we can to keep it that way.

As I mentioned. The policy has been in place for years. How it was implemented is different. Obama, Bush or Clinton never decided to try and make the policy as harsh as possible as some sort of deterrent. None of them thought it was a god idea to lock mass numbers of kids in cages with no real mean or thought of tracking those kids.

And I dont want to hear this Kumbaya we all need to just work together BS NOW considering that for six of Obama's eight years all the GOP did was try to obstruct him, and for the last two years part of Trumps agenda has been to undo anything the last President did.

 

[skinsdad62]

Obama never made cuts this dramatic. If you compared the policies of the 2 Presidents one was much more concerned about the environment than the other and it's not even close. Obama was no more responsible for the waters in Flint than Trump bears responsibility for the shooter in Las Vegas.

i can tell by flint his EPA blew it

 

[skinsdad62]

Isn't it true if it's fact/data based? What difference does it make if it is factual or supported by qualitative or quantitative datal?... or are we at a point where ONLY things that we agree with are fact?

BTW: with respect to Hannity...I know the difference between "news and "news programming." no matter the source.

it isnt true and it isnt fact based

 

[skinsdad62]

Obama never made cuts this dramatic. If you compared the policies of the 2 Presidents one was much more concerned about the environment than the other and it's not even close. Obama was no more responsible for the waters in Flint than Trump bears responsibility for the shooter in Las Vegas.

and trump hasnt mad ANY CUTS , get it , the last thing he SIGNED gave them 300 mil . what you dont want to answer is why did obama cut it ? , HE actually DID IT

 

[skinsdad62]

And there is the false equivalency so many use to try and excuse what Trump is doing. Its not the policy I have an issue with. Lord knows some of the people coming across needed to be seperated from children if in fact the kids were not theirs, or the kids were in danger. But the reality is in HOW the policy was enacted under Trump. Bush, Obama, Clinton all ran with these policies as last resort. Trump decided to ramp up on the harshness intentionally.

And again I will say, I can only take you at your word as far as why you are so supportive of the current way border security is being addressed. But I have also shown where our border policy got its roots. And we know that there are some for whom it is about race first and foremost. And just as you dont like people to assume you are more concerned with keeping America a white Christian America, there are those of us who have had to deal with stereotypes for years and still do.

and that is where you are wrong , it has nothing to do with race . and what was trump supposed to do , not ramp it up ? he was elected in part to fix the border , something previous presidents from both sides should have done a long time ago

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

i can tell by flint his EPA blew it

Perhaps, but that does not undo all the good the EPA has accomplished. But you placing the blame for Flint on Obama is a bit unfair, he is not in charge of the water in Flint. All I know is one President proposed substantial, crippling budget cuts to environmental programs and it was your guy not mine.

 

[Toadman005]

Perhaps, but that does not undo all the good the EPA has accomplished. But you placing the blame for Flint on Obama is a bit unfair, he is not in charge of the water in Flint. All I know is one President proposed substantial, crippling budget cuts to environmental programs and it was your guy not mine.

Nuke the ice caps.

 

[skinsdad62]

Perhaps, but that does not undo all the good the EPA has accomplished. But you placing the blame for Flint on Obama is a bit unfair, he is not in charge of the water in Flint. All I know is one President proposed substantial, crippling budget cuts to environmental programs and it was your guy not mine.

and i all know is one president actually did it and you had nothing to say about it

 

[Skins2021]

and i all know is one president actually did it and you had nothing to say about it

you are OKAY with the water situation in Flint? Why? I think "racist" finger pointing is a bit out of control today, BUT what other reason would you be against fixing the water crisis in Flint, please elaborate? Its a DISGRACE that Americans in a metropolitan area live in these 3rd world conditions. A complete and utter DISGRACE.

Drop the partisan bullshit and fix the fu*king problem.

United States is suppose to guarantee Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Dont forget that. The 3 most important promises in the Declaration of Independence and in the fabric of this nations constitution.

I can not believe there are actually people who take this stance and put their name to it without shame.

 

[skinsdad62]

Nets Skip Trump Executive Order to Protect Free Speech on College Campuses

Happens quite a bit

 

[skinsdad62]

[QUOTE, ="Skins2021, post: 13038575, member: 12582"]you are OKAY with the water situation in Flint? Why? I think "racist" finger pointing is a bit out of control today, BUT what other reason would you be against fixing the water crisis in Flint, please elaborate? Its a DISGRACE that Americans in a metropolitan area live in these 3rd world conditions. A complete and utter DISGRACE.

Drop the partisan bullshit and fix the fu*king problem.

United States is suppose to guarantee Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Dont forget that. The 3 most important promises in the Declaration of Independence and in the fabric of this nations constitution.

I can not believe there are actually people who take this stance and put their name to it without shame.[/QUOTE]

You are foolish again . I never advocated. Not fixing Flint I will point out whose EPA allowed it to happen and which President actually cut the funds to the Great Lakes