politics thread

[skinsdad62]

i did in a few minutes what you couldnt do ebb and you will continue to worry about what source it cam from even though there is huge video evidence that supports it whether you buy MSNBC ran it or not

its just a BS deflection on your part

 

[ehb5]

i read it and i contradicted it

And I showed why those "contradictions" were invalid

 

[skinsdad62]

And I showed why those "contradictions" were invalid

well there you have it we agree to disagree

 

[Toadman005]

Whats your justification for that?

Which polls do you believe?

And why is that poll in particular worthy of being dismissed?

I don't trust most polls because I know they're selective and skewed and misrepresented as well.

 

[ehb5]

i just posted 2 videos straight from google . to make the case it didnt happen doesnt stand

to make the case it didnt happen because my "original " post came from a "far right " source making it untrustworthy (even though MSNBC ran it ) cant be made

Those are not the videos I asked about.

I asked about the video you originally posted.

Do you have a source for it or not?

 

[ehb5]

well there you have it we agree to disagree

And this is what I mean.

It's been countless times that I have corrected you, you've dropped it, and when pressed only said "agree to disagree" or "I'm done with this discussion"

If you don't want to discuss these things fine. But don't claim I don't defend my posts and opinions when you constantly run away like this.

 

[ehb5]

I don't trust most polls because I know they're selective and skewed and misrepresented as well.

But why? On what evidence?

What about that specific poll?

Which ones do you believe?

 

[skinsdad62]

And this is what I mean.

It's been countless times that I have corrected you, you've dropped it, and when pressed only said "agree to disagree" or "I'm done with this discussion"

If you don't want to discuss these things fine. But don't claim I don't defend my posts and opinions when you constantly run away like this.

I say it’s BS plain and simple and you do that very often I. E the witch hunt discussion the thing is you don’t correct me with facts at all with real sources . I point to actual transcripts and you give me opinion pieces from liberal sources . That isn’t correcting that’s parrotting crap

 

[Sharkinva]

Those are not the videos I asked about.

I asked about the video you originally posted.

Do you have a source for it or not?

We cant deny that there has been violence at the border. HAving said that, the real question is why? Why are some Americans dead set in stopping these people from coming here. Conversely why are these people so determined to come here??

Now if you believe that the majority of these people are coming here with some nefarious intent to change or harm America, then the reactions we have seen of build a wall and kill those trying to enter makes sense.

If you feel that these people are coming here for the same reason the founding fathers did, to escape tyranny and try to build a better life for themselves and their children, then you might find the response from some Americans as overkill and a tad bit hypocritical.

 

[Toadman005]

But why? On what evidence?

What about that specific poll?

Which ones do you believe?

On the fact that, for example, the poll will ask "do you agree with separating children from their parents?", and most people say no, then, the pollsters conclude, "most people are against a bored wall". Well, no, that's not true, but, doesn't Matt, that's the conclusion drawn, and reported.

As for that specific poll, I don't know anything about it. I don't put stock in most polls, so, the one you cited is no different. This is a result of years of inaccurate polling on different topics, the biggest one being every poll suggesting Hillary would not only win, but in a landslide when the exact opposite happened.

 

[skinsdad62]

We cant deny that there has been violence at the border. HAving said that, the real question is why? Why are some Americans dead set in stopping these people from coming here. Conversely why are these people so determined to come here??

Now if you believe that the majority of these people are coming here with some nefarious intent to change or harm America, then the reactions we have seen of build a wall and kill those trying to enter makes sense.

If you feel that these people are coming here for the same reason the founding fathers did, to escape tyranny and try to build a better life for themselves and their children, then you might find the response from some Americans as overkill and a tad bit hypocritical.

We are dead set against people coming here illegally and we know the real truth about why progressives want this . And I’d they are escaping tyranny as you say there are 12 million here that can force change

 

[Toadman005]

We cant deny that there has been violence at the border. HAving said that, the real question is why? Why are some Americans dead set in stopping these people from coming here. Conversely why are these people so determined to come here??

Now if you believe that the majority of these people are coming here with some nefarious intent to change or harm America, then the reactions we have seen of build a wall and kill those trying to enter makes sense.

If you feel that these people are coming here for the same reason the founding fathers did, to escape tyranny and try to build a better life for themselves and their children, then you might find the response from some Americans as overkill and a tad bit hypocritical.

Even if I was to accept everyone wants to come here to free tyranny and want to assimilate (they aren't and don't), they still must do so LEGALLY. And pretending a massive influx from shithole areas with shithole cultures won't change America for the worse is willfully naive.

 

[Toadman005]

We are dead set against people coming here illegally and we know the real truth about why progressives want this . And I’d they are escaping tyranny as you say there are 12 million here that can force change

This.

 

[ehb5]

I say it’s BS plain and simple and you do that very often I. E the witch hunt discussion the thing is you don’t correct me with facts at all with real sources . I point to actual transcripts and you give me opinion pieces from liberal sources . That isn’t correcting that’s parrotting crap

Oh I'm happy to discuss other topics.

I just thought you would want to stay on topic and discuss this. Instead you seem to be trying to dodge and change topics.

Interesting.

 

[ehb5]

On the fact that, for example, the poll will ask "do you agree with separating children from their parents?", and most people say no, then, the pollsters conclude, "most people are against a bored wall". Well, no, that's not true, but, doesn't Matt, that's the conclusion drawn, and reported.

As for that specific poll, I don't know anything about it. I don't put stock in most polls, so, the one you cited is no different. This is a result of years of inaccurate polling on different topics, the biggest one being every poll suggesting Hillary would not only win, but in a landslide when the exact opposite happened.

They don't take the answer to a family separation question as the answer to a border wall. That's not how that works.

The polls for Hillary were actually reasonably close. I don't think that's a good reason to throw out polling data.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Many leftists cheer this business that refuses to serve anyone wearing a MAGA cap. But FORCING a religious caterer to bake a cake for a gay wedding=no worries.


"San Mateo restaurant owner won't serve customers wearing MAGA hats"

Leftists are such hypocrites.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

This week Dems tried to remove God from witness oaths, advocated killing babies after they’re born, voted to give sexual predators a taxpayer funded pay raise, & attempted to give fed govt massive power over all Americans’ free speech. And that was all before Friday.

Dems are, in general, godless fiends bent on doing evil, all the while trying to disguise it as compassion for others.

Compare their actions and policies up against the 10 Commandments, it's arguable that they BREAK ALL TEN!!!

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Nonsense, and may I add a reason why I don't support either party. People who take pride in wearing the pointy hats and flammable sheets, generally don't segregate themselves by "D's" or "R's."

Not sure about recent times, but back in the day, DEMS created the KKK and filled it's ranks, completely. Back in the day, there was not one single Republican that owned a slave just one year before the start of the Civil War, and not a single Republican was involved with the KKK back then, either. And the NRA supplied rifles to free Blacks so they could defend themselves against the KKK.

The Dems opposed getting rid of slavery, they supported Jim Crowe, they supported Segregation and they opposed Civil Rights legislation all the way up to 1964. And even in 1964, it was not the Dems who gave the legislation the majority of it's support, it was the Republicans. Yes, there was SOME support from Democrats, more than in the past, and hence why it passed, but overall there were still a majority of Dems who voted AGAINST the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

As a University of Minnesota Gopher fan, I am proud to say that BOTH signers of the Legislation were UMn grads, Hubert H Humphrey on the Dem side and Everett Dickson on the Republican side.

 

[gkekoa]

No Trump himself was also sued.

I'm not talking about the ban Trump tried to implement. I am talking about when he said he wanted to ban ALL Muslims.

The book is called Trumped. Now maybe you think its full of shit but Trump himself said the stuff in it was probably true.

The birther movement was racist. It viewed Obama as an outsider because he was black and had a non white sounding name despite no evidence to support it's claims.

Trump seems to assume all black people know each other. He has also made that assumption about ben Carson.

According to the us DOJ arpaio oversaw the worst racial profiling in us history. Maybe ask them.

Or look up arpaio. A tent City extension of his jail he called a concentration camp. A judge ruling his jail as inhumane. That's who Trump sticks up for.

Yes that's racist for pointing that out.

Any one of these things individually show Trump to be a racist. Yet there are countless other examples not even listed here.

Why is he so frequently saying and doing racist things, retweeting and pardoning racists, and earning praise and thanks from public racists if he's not racist?

What was inhumane about “tent city?”

 

[gkekoa]

We cant deny that there has been violence at the border. HAving said that, the real question is why? Why are some Americans dead set in stopping these people from coming here. Conversely why are these people so determined to come here??

Now if you believe that the majority of these people are coming here with some nefarious intent to change or harm America, then the reactions we have seen of build a wall and kill those trying to enter makes sense.

If you feel that these people are coming here for the same reason the founding fathers did, to escape tyranny and try to build a better life for themselves and their children, then you might find the response from some Americans as overkill and a tad bit hypocritical.

There are many reasons some Americans are dead set against them coming here such as lower wages, competition, tax money going to them, crime, lack of verification, lack of assimilation, a belief in socialism, a lack of will to actually defend themselves against tyranny, or the most obvious reason which is it is wrong for some to go the legal way while others get to buck the system.

They want to come here because our poor are richer than their middle tier. They can make more off of Americans than they can at home. They are fleeing violence that they allow to happen. Why not improve your own country?

Fleeing violence is not the same as fleeing tyranny. The founding fathers didn’t come here to escape tyranny. They fought against the tyranny that was already here. They fought for the land in which they lived.