Pivotal Offseason

[PDay8810]

Best part?
Jerry thinks he won a SB without Jimmy. Who built those 94/95 teams?

He still has no clue how to build a championship team. Classic story when Jimmy told how Jerry wanted in the front seat. Pretty much explains what Jerry is still chasing. Least he is in the front seat.

Onward!

 

[tomodach10]

I thought that when the Cowboys win 3/4 Super Bowls, the obvious start of the end was Jerry firing Jimmy, and the ridiculous things he did after. I still think the 1995 Draft set this club back 10 years. The club traded out of the 28th pick for a 2nd and a 3rd. Tampa took Derrick freaking Brooks with that pick. They took RB Sherman Williams with their own 2nd rounder. Curtis Martin was taken a round later. After they disaster comes passing on Randy Moss, but then needing a WR so bad that you give up three 1st round picks+ for Roy Williams and Joey Galloway. Hell, if Jerry has his way, we would have taken Jimmy Nerfball over Zack Martin. It's easy to see there are competent people helping run the Cowboys now, but the sad part is, if Jerry has been content with just being a great owner and letting good football people run this club from jump, there's literally no telling how many Lombardi's he would have and would likely be seen as the greatest owner ever instead of a buffoon

Sad and so true.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Sounds like Kellen Moore is staying in Dallas as well. Hoping for the best

 

[tomodach10]

Sounds like Kellen Moore is staying in Dallas as well. Hoping for the best

If that happens expect more of the same next year.

 

[jarntt]

Interesting article from ESPN

I always vote for taking a QB b4 round 4 depending on who is on the board of course as I believe you should always be trying to develop QB talent but I’m just a cold beers drinking lazy boy GM instead of a Johnny Walker blue blood GM like Jerry

What to do with Dak Prescott: Three options the Cowboys must consider — ESPN

How will the Cowboys balance salary-cap implications and the future of the quarterback position down the road?

apple.news

I'm standing pat on Dak and ticking away at that cap hit. But Jerry will restructure him and ensure we will won't be able to move on after next season either. Extending him would be a horrific move. Need to get past this contract and if he proves to be the guy by then you lock him up at that point. and won't have dead money from this contract to deal with. It's not like extending him or restructuring helps the cap long term, just for the one year you do it in. All that money still hits the cap.

You restructure Tank and Martin (down to as little as $1M in salary next year) and if Tyron isn't seen as a starter here next year you trade/cut him. Personally I play him at LT and also start the two kids (at LG and RT) and then move it around when Tyron gets hurt. This requires an early draft pick IMO also to be that needed backup. And if that pick looks like a home run you move Tyron anyway over the Summer and play all the young OL. You cut or reduce Zeke. Any new deals will have low year one cap hits and won't be an issue. You can clear over $40M if you do all of that so obviously you don't need to do all of it. If you cut Zeke you give Pollard a LT deal with a low year one cap hit. If you reduce Zeke it probably means you are tagging Pollard which makes him a big 2023 hit. But you don't touch Dak's contract at all. By the way all of this would be to sign some $ FAs. If you aren't planning on it, you only do enough to get under the cap.

 

[UK Cowboy]

I'm standing pat on Dak and ticking away at that cap hit. But Jerry will restructure him and ensure we will won't be able to move on after next season either. Extending him would be a horrific move. Need to get past this contract and if he proves to be the guy by then you lock him up at that point. and won't have dead money from this contract to deal with. It's not like extending him or restructuring helps the cap long term, just for the one year you do it in. All that money still hits the cap.

You restructure Tank and Martin (down to as little as $1M in salary next year) and if Tyron isn't seen as a starter here next year you trade/cut him. Personally I play him at LT and also start the two kids (at LG and RT) and then move it around when Tyron gets hurt. This requires an early draft pick IMO also to be that needed backup. And if that pick looks like a home run you move Tyron anyway over the Summer and play all the young OL. You cut or reduce Zeke. Any new deals will have low year one cap hits and won't be an issue. You can clear over $40M if you do all of that so obviously you don't need to do all of it. If you cut Zeke you give Pollard a LT deal with a low year one cap hit. If you reduce Zeke it probably means you are tagging Pollard which makes him a big 2023 hit. But you don't touch Dak's contract at all. By the way all of this would be to sign some $ FAs. If you aren't planning on it, you only do enough to get under the cap.

I believe they will rework his deal this year and extend him. They can save $22 million against the cap by doing that. If they let it play out, his cap hit jumps to $49 million in 24-25

 

[cowboycolors]

I'm standing pat on Dak and ticking away at that cap hit. But Jerry will restructure him and ensure we will won't be able to move on after next season either. Extending him would be a horrific move. Need to get past this contract and if he proves to be the guy by then you lock him up at that point. and won't have dead money from this contract to deal with. It's not like extending him or restructuring helps the cap long term, just for the one year you do it in. All that money still hits the cap.

You restructure Tank and Martin (down to as little as $1M in salary next year) and if Tyron isn't seen as a starter here next year you trade/cut him. Personally I play him at LT and also start the two kids (at LG and RT) and then move it around when Tyron gets hurt. This requires an early draft pick IMO also to be that needed backup. And if that pick looks like a home run you move Tyron anyway over the Summer and play all the young OL. You cut or reduce Zeke. Any new deals will have low year one cap hits and won't be an issue. You can clear over $40M if you do all of that so obviously you don't need to do all of it. If you cut Zeke you give Pollard a LT deal with a low year one cap hit. If you reduce Zeke it probably means you are tagging Pollard which makes him a big 2023 hit. But you don't touch Dak's contract at all. By the way all of this would be to sign some $ FAs. If you aren't planning on it, you only do enough to get under the cap.

Yes no way do I extend Dak. I stand pat and power through the 49 million hit so the pain is over and done then we see what’s up in 24 without the handcuffs of that contract.

 

[cowboycolors]

I believe they will rework his deal this year and extend him. They can save $22 million against the cap by doing that. If they let it play out, his cap hit jumps to $49 million in 24-25

If I read correctly it’s 49 million a year 2023 hit and it is over with no guarantee money for 24 would be left. It would hurt but it’s time to have options for 24 and beyond
JMHO

 

[PDay8810]

If I read correctly it’s 49 million a year 2023 hit and it is over with no guarantee money for 24 would be left. It would hurt but it’s time to have options for 24 and beyond
JMHO

I agree IF all guaranteed money has been paid

 

[UK Cowboy]

If I read correctly it’s 49 million a year 2023 hit and it is over with no guarantee money for 24 would be left. It would hurt but it’s time to have options for 24 and beyond
JMHO

If he is cut in 2024 the accelerated cap hit would be 39 million

 

[jarntt]

I believe they will rework his deal this year and extend him. They can save $22 million against the cap by doing that. If they let it play out, his cap hit jumps to $49 million in 24-25

I believe they will too and it is a poor decision unless you know he is your QB long term. It also doesn't save you a penny against the cap long term to restructure. Right now his dead money after his contract ends in 2024 is $22M. If you do that you make it over $40M. Just restructure the guys you know will be here for sure. You only save cap space by cutting out non-guaranteed salary and bonuses. You don't save by restructuring and pushing back.

Once you see that restructure announced know that it means he is your QB for the long haul. If they bite the bullet they can move on after 2023 with $18.1M dead money in 2024 (instead of his current cap hit of $52M) and $22M in 2025 (same as current). I'm not saying he is or isn't the long term answer. I'm just saying if you aren't sure play it conservatively so if he isn't you can move on.

 

[jarntt]

Dak salary cap options

Scenario 1: Dak current cap hits
2023 49M
2024 52M
2025 dead 18M
2026 dead 4M
Total $123M

Scenario 2: Cap hit if restructure $28M in salary to bonus this offseason. I'll assume over the same 4 years that the last restructure was spread to keep the years the same.
2023 28M
2024 59M
2025 dead 25M
2026 dead 11M
Total $123M

Scenario 3: Cap hit if do nothing this year and cut him as soon as 2024 league year starts with a post 6/1/24 designation
2023 49M (same as scenario 1)
2024 18M (save $34M compared to scenario 1)
2025 dead 22M ($4M more than scenario 1)
2026 off books (save $4M from scenario 1)
Total $89M (save $34M from scenario 1 and 2)

Scenario 4: Trade Dak post 6/1/23 of this offseason
2023 18M (save $31M compared to scenario 1)
2024 40M (save $12M compared to scenario 1)
2025 off books (save $18M from scenario 1)
2026 off books (save $4M from scenario 1)
Total $58M (save $65M from scenario 1 and 2)

Since his 2023 salary and bonuses are all fully guaranteed there is no cap benefit to cutting him this offseaon.
Scenario 5: cut Dak post 6/1/23 of this offseason
2023 49M (same as scenario 1)
2024 40M (save $12M compared to scenario 1)
2025 off books (save $18M from scenario 1)
2026 off books (save $4M from scenario 1)
Total $89M (save $34M from scenario 1 and 2)

 

[PDay8810]

What is the cap in 25?
Will new sources of revenue have an impact on future caps?

Just seems the story going forward will be the percentage of the overall cap more so than the yearly amount.

 

[tomodach10]

Dak salary cap options

Scenario 1: Dak current cap hits
2023 49M
2024 52M
2025 dead 18M
2026 dead 4M
Total $123M

Scenario 2: Cap hit if restructure $28M in salary to bonus this offseason. I'll assume over the same 4 years that the last restructure was spread to keep the years the same.
2023 28M
2024 59M
2025 dead 25M
2026 dead 11M
Total $123M

Scenario 3: Cap hit if do nothing this year and cut him as soon as 2024 league year starts with a post 6/1/24 designation
2023 49M (same as scenario 1)
2024 18M (save $34M compared to scenario 1)
2025 dead 22M ($4M more than scenario 1)
2026 off books (save $4M from scenario 1)
Total $89M (save $34M from scenario 1 and 2)

Scenario 4: Trade Dak post 6/1/23 of this offseason
2023 18M (save $31M compared to scenario 1)
2024 40M (save $12M compared to scenario 1)
2025 off books (save $18M from scenario 1)
2026 off books (save $4M from scenario 1)
Total $58M (save $65M from scenario 1 and 2)

Since his 2023 salary and bonuses are all fully guaranteed there is no cap benefit to cutting him this offseaon.
Scenario 5: cut Dak post 6/1/23 of this offseason
2023 49M (same as scenario 1)
2024 40M (save $12M compared to scenario 1)
2025 off books (save $18M from scenario 1)
2026 off books (save $4M from scenario 1)
Total $89M (save $34M from scenario 1 and 2)

Scenario 3 seems the best.

 

[jarntt]

Scenario 3 seems the best.

If he doesn't improve I agree. What I would do personally is do nothing with his contract this year so you have the ability to move on after next year if you choose to do so at that time. I still hold out hope that with a different QB coach/OC he can be the QB going forward. But I'm not restructuring him and making it so we have no other choice in the event I don't feel that way a year from now.

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

Best part?
Jerry thinks he won a SB without Jimmy. Who built those 94/95 teams?

He still has no clue how to build a championship team. Classic story when Jimmy told how Jerry wanted in the front seat. Pretty much explains what Jerry is still chasing. Least he is in the front seat.

Onward!

Death till we part from Jerry. This still looks like a playoff team in 2023 though. They have a nice young core. Very good drafting lately. I think I am kind of like you when it comes to wanting to get to the NFC title game. They got to get the offense going. What I don't get is they sign Hilton and then barely target him. It like he was getting open. I say sign Hilton and draft a lineman to help block for Pollard. Ferguson IMO will be a very good #1. He just makes plays. Zeke can just take a paycut or move on. With Quinn returning I expect a top 10 defense again. They talk about Mcvay,Shanahan and Payton as being the offensive geniuses. Well we got Quinn on the defensive side who IMO is always evolving and adapting and IMO had the defense Superbowl ready. While Moore has not been terrible he just is stale.

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

Scenario 3 seems the best.

The team better draft a QB if they think Dak is not the guy . Cooper Rush is not the answer.

 

[PDay8810]

The team better draft a QB if they think Dak is not the guy . Cooper Rush is not the answer.

on the surface, yes!

but who & what round do you take QB?

 

[PDay8810]

I believe they will rework his deal this year and extend him.

I don't think there is any question about this.
Jerry plays to win every year and he'll tell ya, It only takes one year to right everything.
Not for him mind you, it's for the fans.

 

[PDay8810]

Cooper Rush is not the answer.

he is what he is... and right now, thats 4-1.

do you really think any team would consider Rush an NFL starter?