Patriots 2025 Draft

[YankeeRebel]

ME!!!

If you take everything literally, you can argue until death.

I think you understood my point..........you can't guarantee that a rookie LT is the answer to the LT problem. A FA may mot be either, but he at last has played against the iron and you have film and maybe some experience against him. Yo have more info to work with than you do a college kid.

Fire back........

Well shit why draft at all?

The draft is always a crap shoot, so is taking an FA. Just b/c a player worked in once scheme does not mean they will work in another. And hell either of them can blow a knee out. You draft and hope for the best, you got them on a five year deal for a lot less money and you have five years to determine their skill level and what you are willing to pay to retain them.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Well shit why draft at all?

The draft is always a crap shoot, so is taking an FA. Just b/c a player worked in once scheme does not mean they will work in another. And hell either of them can blow a knee out. You draft and hope for the best, you got them on a five year deal for a lot less money and you have five years to determine their skill level and what you are willing to pay to retain them.

Look at it like this.

Every one would like to draft the next Vince Wilfork, but all GM's know that no matter how good a kid looks in college, he's playing against college kids and may or may not dominate in the NFL, at least immediately. Mentally, physically, play book, on field/off field ...etc.

But when the Texans signed Vince they knew what they were getting...they were just hoping his Achilles would hold up.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Look at it like this.

Every one would like to draft the next Vince Wilfork, but all GM's know that no matter how good a kid looks in college, he's playing against college kids and may or may not dominate in the NFL, at least immediately. Mentally, physically, play book, on field/off field ...etc.

But when the Texans signed Vince they knew what they were getting...they were just hoping his Achilles would hold up.

Yeah we all get that, but you have to build a team through the draft, you cannot just grabbing from the FA pool.

Look at it like this: We took brady in round 6. We all know it's a crap shoot but you gotta shoot or you'll damn sure crap.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Yeah we all get that, but you have to build a team through the draft, you cannot just grabbing from the FA pool.

Look at it like this: We took brady in round 6. We all know it's a crap shoot but you gotta shoot or you'll damn sure crap.

Yes. It's a balance. Bill won 6 rings balancing it...well, maybe 5?

Rodney Harrison was a FA. Martellus Bennet was a great addition, Michael Bennet, not so much. Chris Long was a great contributor.
Patrick Chung was a fantastic FA pick up. Danny Amendola too.

Problem is not many top tier LT's are going to hit FA.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Yes. It's a balance. Bill won 6 rings balancing it...well, maybe 5?

Rodney Harrison was a FA. Martellus Bennet was a great addition, Michael Bennet, not so much. Chris Long was a great contributor.
Patrick Chung was a fantastic FA pick up. Danny Amendola too.

Problem is not many top tier LT's are going to hit FA.

And limited potential in the draft. They are saying the run on defense is deep this year

 

[cheerupcharlie]

Made me laugh

 

[NWPATSFAN]

There are four more weeks in the season and while the Patriots have the most brutal schedule, nothing is guaranteed. Then again, the Giants and Raiders could easily win one or two and the Patriots could be sitting at #1 when the dust clears.

Cleveland has a bunch of picks. An extra third from the Bills, and extra two extra sixths from the Vikings and Bears. Problem with them is that they will all be at the end of the rounds. So they might be willingto give up their #8 and both third round picks to jump to the top and grab Shedeur Sanders. That would move the Patriots to #8 but give them 4 picks in the third round. Feast or Famine?

How would you feel about keeping#1 and taking CB/WR Travis Hunter? Who just might be a generational football player.

I would hate this. They have bigger needs.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Would you...? (I know it's click bait)

Patriots Eyeing Defensive 'Monster' Mason Graham in 2025 Draft

The New England Patriots are considering drafting Michigan defensive lineman Mason Graham as a "new defensive lynchpin" for head coach Jerod Mayo during the 202

bvmsports.com

Yes! Especially I'd they can address OL in FA.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

rather take this guy OL

It all depends on FA. Both lines need help desperately View attachment 382613

 

[BigKen]

Like I said, you can argue this until death.

You have two choices and can take advantage or fail miserably with both.........

Draft. It's crap shoot. IF and that's a big IF, you have top quality scouting, you have a chance to pick a player that change the position on your team. The problem is that scouts are giving an opinion of what they see. The question becomes, "What is this scout best at evaluating?" "What has this scout historically been most successful at finding?" If you're looking for an OT, why not ask Scar to go out to every college division championship and college playoff game that you can send him and pay him to do the scouting??? It's not rocket science for that man and he just might enjoy taking his wife to a large city on someone else's dime. Do the same for a wide receivers by asking JE or Amendola or Welker to go look for you.

Free Agency. The guys who are free agents have miles of tape that can be viewed. You have players who have played against them and some who have played with them. The information is available and it's all at your fingertips. There should be a dollar amount that you will not cross for every free agent that is available. All you have to do is agree amongst the staff and front office what the greatest need is, then place a dollar value on every FA. If your values continually fall short for every FA, then you need to correct your value system. Again, it's not an uncorrectable thing. You adjust to the market and pay accordingly.

There is a third.........................Trade.

Again, a crap shoot. You give up something that you think has value. Will that player play as well as you think he can play? Will he be able to hold up and be as good as you think in your system? Will you overpay?? Will you get equal value for what you give up? Why would a team be willing to give up a player for what you think is fair value??

Everything is a crap shoot when trying to estimate who a player is and what he will be on your team, in your system.

 

[cdumler7]

Very rarely is an All Pro hitting FA. Most of the time the top paid FA’s are FA’s again in two years because there is no way for them to live up to their contract. Most cases the top spending teams are again the top spending teams soon because they cannot get it right.

Unfortunately yes it is a damned if you do and damned if you don’t situation. You have to spend but odds are it wont end as well as you would hope.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Very rarely is an All Pro hitting FA. Most of the time the top paid FA’s are FA’s again in two years because there is no way for them to live up to their contract. Most cases the top spending teams are again the top spending teams soon because they cannot get it right.

Unfortunately yes it is a damned if you do and damned if you don’t situation. You have to spend but odds are it wont end as well as you would hope.

My train of thought is, as I stated. Our greatest need IMO is LT, seeing as it's crap shoot draft the best LT you can in round 1. Rookie contracts are cheaper, you get them for five years if they pan out it gives you time to prepare and the set the budget for the next contract the big one contract number two, if they don't pan out they are on a less costly rookie deal

 

[nefansince75]

My train of thought is, as I stated. Our greatest need IMO is LT, seeing as it's crap shoot draft the best LT you can in round 1. Rookie contracts are cheaper, you get them for five years if they pan out it gives you time to prepare and the set the budget for the next contract the big one contract number two, if they don't pan out they are on a less costly rookie deal

There's more than one way to play the draft. If there are several LTs that are relatively comparable, you trade back, get value and get a decent LT. If there's a true stud you take the stud, but that assumes the true-ness is truly studdly comparable to the others. They are building a better team and not trying to add a name for marketing recognition.

 

[BigKen]

So be cautious and sign a veteran for one or two years and draft the kid you think is going to be the future or draft five kids and hope two or three can fit the team's future needs. Again, you best have a good scouting department. Or just depend on Mel Kiper.

 

[YankeeRebel]

There's more than one way to play the draft. If there are several LTs that are relatively comparable, you trade back, get value and get a decent LT. If there's a true stud you take the stud, but that assumes the true-ness is truly studdly comparable to the others. They are building a better team and not trying to add a name for marketing recognition.

Yeah no shit, but again this is not overly complicated.

1. The draft is a crap shoot.

2. A team asses the talent of a position the covet.

3. Based on that assessment you make your pick.

Im not really sure what you and some others are saying. If team asses a player that that they like and project him to fall to round 4 then okay trades may make sense. BUt another team may have that same vibe in and take him in round three. I believe you build a team through the draft and improve positions through FA and the draft.

 

[Southieinnc]

There's more than one way to play the draft. If there are several LTs that are relatively comparable, you trade back, get value and get a decent LT. If there's a true stud you take the stud, but that assumes the true-ness is truly studdly comparable to the others. They are building a better team and not trying to add a name for marketing recognition.

The OT's available at the top of the draft draft have slipped this year. To me the top ranked OT's look weak for the pick.
I see players not highly ranked that have high ceilings.

Example: Anthony Belton
Belton is ranked 10th on Walter Football and 28th on Draft Buzz.
There are others......

 

[nefansince75]

Yeah no shit, but again this is not overly complicated.

1. The draft is a crap shoot.

2. A team asses the talent of a position the covet.

3. Based on that assessment you make your pick.

Im not really sure what you and some others are saying. If team asses a player that that they like and project him to fall to round 4 then okay trades may make sense. BUt another team may have that same vibe in and take him in round three. I believe you build a team through the draft and improve positions through FA and the draft.

There's a reason positions go in runs. Often several players grade similarly so if there are 5 similar players it's okay to drop back 4 spots or gamble and drop back 10. If there's only one it's pound foolish not to take the player.

 

[nefansince75]

The OT's available at the top of the draft draft have slipped this year. To me the top ranked OT's look weak for the pick.
I see players not highly ranked that have high ceilings.

Example: Anthony Belton
Belton is ranked 10th on Walter Football and 28th on Draft Buzz.
There are others......

Unlike another post that shamed me for my comments, you provided a useful and insightful response. I'd buy you a beer if we were strangers who struck up a conversation at the watering hole.

 

[YankeeRebel]

The OT's available at the top of the draft draft have slipped this year. To me the top ranked OT's look weak for the pick.
I see players not highly ranked that have high ceilings.

Example: Anthony Belton
Belton is ranked 10th on Walter Football and 28th on Draft Buzz.
There are others......

Im pretty sure GMs and Coaches don't care about or even concern themselves with what Draft Buzz and Walter Football are saying. They 1. Asses team needs, 2. Asses player talent, 3. Determine positional depth, 4. Create a draft strategy based on that.

 

[Southieinnc]

Im pretty sure GMs and Coaches don't care about or even concern themselves with what Draft Buzz and Walter Football are saying. They 1. Asses team needs, 2. Asses player talent, 3. Determine positional depth, 4. Create a draft strategy based on that.

Very few teams do their picks in a vacuum.
They do all the things you listed plus they listen to consensus from variuos sources.