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BTW Macho my plan of hiding my lap top under my bed has worked. No FB action all day.
 

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Snyder withstanding... Big meh is how I feel about him.

May I respectfully ask you why so many NA schools have adopted and used that name?
Short answer: I don't know.

If you're looking for a long, complicated response, here it goes:

The etymology of the term is still debated. There are some that believe that Native Americans themselves were the first to use the term "Redskin" or "Red man". There are some that believe that the term "Redskin" was first used by whites as a derogatory term in reference to Native Americans. Even further, there are those who believe the term "Redskin" was used in reference to the scalps of Native Americans, which was turned into british agents for monetary rewards.

There's also an annoying sense of "we're the only ones that can use the term", prevalent in some Native Americans today, similar to Blacks and the "N-word".

That being the case, of the three Native American communities to use the nickname, here's an article that discusses the Wellpinit's decision:

Redskins controversy? High school with debated name just wants to be left alone | Local News | The Seattle Times

To use a few quotes from the article on the complexity of the situation:

“One thing that annoys me,” says John Teters, registrar for the school district, “is that we’re used as an excuse for this asinine process. You name it, Cleveland Indians, Washington Redskins, whenever those names come up, the school gets called. ‘If you guys can do it, why can’t we?’ We’re somehow used as a justification.”

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“We don’t see it as a derogatory name. But if you ask a grandpa or grandma, they think of it differently,” says Brodie Ford, 17, who just graduated and is heading to nearby Whitworth University.
Ford says that in sports, when playing other schools, he didn’t hear “Redskins” used in a derogatory way.

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“This country was founded on bounties. I grew up with my dad talking about the genocide of Indians,” says Chet Bluff, 53. “This should be in the history books.”
Bluff says she was taught that “Redskin” refers to the bloodied scalp that bounty hunters used to show proof of a kill.
She says she told a white co-worker who asked what the “Redskin” controversy was about:
“Imagine my husband, my dad, my brother and granddaughter being killed and skinned for $800. Her jaw dropped,” says Bluff.

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Looking for consensus in the Native American community regarding the term "Redskins" is much like trying to find a consensus in the United States on any hot button topic. Some are pro, some are con, some don't care. That's hardly justification for not doing anything.

That there are 3 Native American communities proving to be the exception, doesn't mean the term is any less offensive.

Also, let's not talk about the entire movement across high school and college sports to remove Native American mascots, symbols, and nicknames. Let's just focus on those three Native American exceptions...
 

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That was really more in depth than I wanted to go, but somehow doesn't seem to go into enough detail.
 

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That was really more in depth than I wanted to go, but somehow doesn't seem to go into enough detail.
uhhhh....sorry if I set you off Gus...didn`t mean to.....I`m on the fire water tonight.
 

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uhhhh....sorry if I set you off Gus...didn`t mean to.....I`m on the fire water tonight.
No I'm not upset, just responding to Cali's question. It's just frustrating discussing it, knowing that in most cases, I'm discussing it with a brick wall.
 

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We now return you to your regularly scheduled dick jokes.
 
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