OT: Redskins acquire RG3

[Forty_Sixand2]

You can't be sure of any of this. It is all speculation, but you cannot compare those trades at all, just look at the numbers....ha ha...

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

You can't be sure of any of this. It is all speculation, but you cannot compare those trades at all, just look at the numbers....ha ha...

Multiple reports last night said the Rams would receive additional compensation. 1 player does not make a team.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

Multiple reports last night said the Rams would receive additional compensation. 1 player does not make a team.

The trade is official:

Vikings/Cowboys trade:

5 current players, 3 first round picks, 3 second round picks, 1 third round pick, 1 sixth round pick for an aging running back

Redskins/Rams trade

3 first round picks, 1 second round pick for a higher first round pick.

They are not even close to comparable....

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

The trade is official:

Vikings/Cowboys trade:

5 current players, 3 first round picks, 3 second round picks, 1 third round pick, 1 sixth round pick for an aging running back

Redskins/Rams trade

3 first round picks, 1 second round pick for a higher first round pick.

They are not even close to comparable....

Maybe not in terms of numbers, but mark my words this trade will set the Rams up for a long time. It's a deal Redskiins fans will look back on as a franchise killer. Times have changed. Giving up 1st round picks in the NFL always comes back to bite the team that does it. The Redskins don't have enough talent on their roster to overcome the loss of those picks. Snyder has been signing the wrong UFA's since he's owned the team. Do you actually trust him to make the right decisions going forward? I sure as hell wouldn't if I was a Redskins fan.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

Maybe not in terms of numbers, but mark my words this trade will set the Rams up for a long time. It's a deal Redskiins fans will look back on as a franchise killer. Times have changed. Giving up 1st round picks in the NFL always comes back to bite the team that does it. The Redskins don't have enough talent on their roster to overcome the loss of those picks. Snyder has been signing the wrong UFA's since he's owned the team. Do you actually trust him to make the right decisions going forward? I sure as hell wouldn't if I was a Redskins fan.

I didn't like his moves up until about 2009. His drafts have been good since then and he has shyed away from making huge splash FA signings. That has left them with a lot of cap space. Let's see how he spends the money though. I am apprehensive, but who the hell knows what the Rams are going to do.

If the Skins did not offer the picks, they would have had to give up Orakpo, Kerrigan or both. Fuck that. Those are two proven young stars, and I would much rather give up picks than established players, especially young players.

 

[PhillyPhaithful48]

1. The rookie salary structure will protect th Redskins in paying for him. He will make 20 million over four years, not 50 million. If he is a bust, it does not kill us long term.

Before I read the rest of this, ummm what?!?!?

How does giving that many draft picks NOT kill you long term especially if he is a bust?


Now I will read rest of post.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

Before I read the rest of this, ummm what?!?!?

How does giving that many draft picks NOT kill you long term especially if he is a bust?


Now I will read rest of post.

3 picks do not make a franchise....

 

[PhillyPhaithful48]

3 picks do not make a franchise....

First round picks in the NFL are VERRRY valuable. They are nothing to just give away, which the skins just did IMO.

Yes, they have money to spend, but so do other teams. Never any guarantees there. Just as risky as the draft.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

First round picks in the NFL are VERRRY valuable. They are nothing to just give away, which the skins just did IMO.

Yes, they have money to spend, but so do other teams. Never any guarantees there. Just as risky as the draft.

In my opinion proven commodities (free agents, Orakpo, Kerrigan) are more valuable than picks that could be anywhere from 1 to 32.....

 

[PhillyPhaithful48]

In my opinion proven commodities (free agents, Orakpo, Kerrigan) are more valuable than picks that could be anywhere from 1 to 32.....

Yea but there is no guarantee you get that top free agent on the market. All I am saying is this was a huge risk that I highly doubt will pay off, but we shall see.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

Yea but there is no guarantee you get that top free agent on the market. All I am saying is this was a huge risk that I highly doubt will pay off, but we shall see.

NO reason to shake the dice if you aren't gonna roll them once in a while, I guess...

 

[ritari330]

In my opinion proven commodities (free agents, Orakpo, Kerrigan) are more valuable than picks that could be anywhere from 1 to 32.....

Not for the Redskins. Probably from anywhere from 7-22 in the next 2 years

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

Not for the Redskins. Probably from anywhere from 7-22 in the next 2 years

Dude, this is the NFL, where the Seahawks, Cardinals, 49ers and Bears have all been in the NFC Championship game in the past few years.....


Whatever the argument, you can't really call this a good or bad trade until we are 5 years from now...

 

[forty_three]

3 picks do not make a franchise....

Marc-Andre Fleury
Evgeni Malkin
Sidney Crosby


On the other side of the coin:
Alexandre Picard
Gilbert Brule
Nikolai Zherdev

 

[filosofy29]

Maybe not in terms of numbers, but mark my words this trade will set the Rams up for a long time. It's a deal Redskiins fans will look back on as a franchise killer. Times have changed. Giving up 1st round picks in the NFL always comes back to bite the team that does it. The Redskins don't have enough talent on their roster to overcome the loss of those picks. Snyder has been signing the wrong UFA's since he's owned the team. Do you actually trust him to make the right decisions going forward? I sure as hell wouldn't if I was a Redskins fan.

Sure hurt the NY Giants a ton.....

 

[PhillyPhaithful48]

Marc-Andre Fleury
Evgeni Malkin
Sidney Crosby


On the other side of the coin:
Alexandre Picard
Gilbert Brule
Nikolai Zherdev

Lol, in the BJ's defense, they weren't the top 2 picks of a sure-thing draft. Thats just called shitty scouting on their part.

 

[elocomotive]

It's three. Look at the draft as if the first two picks are already made - Luck and then RG3. The Rams trade away RG3 and get a pick this year, a pick next year, and a pick the year afterwards (not to mention the second rounder this year). Just because the first two picks are similar doesn't make it better for the Skins - in fact it makes it worse.

I kind of agree with this...they didn't HAVE to get a 1st back for this year. Regardless, it's overpayment to move down 4 freaking spots. I'm fairly convinced I could run an NFL franchise at this point.

Oh my gosh, Vadered... Pix....you guys are smart, what are you talking about?

If I trade three oranges and I get one orange back, I've lost TWO oranges. That is what the trade costs me. So we're giving up TWO first rounders, not three. We're swapping this year's first rounder - so EVEN (well, actually a slight favor to the Skins there for a higher pick). And we lose TWO first rounders.

Though I also heard we gave up a 2nd rounder, so I guess we threw in a clementine as well.

 

[elocomotive]

The truth is only time will tell if this was a smart deal, a horrific deal, or somewhere in between. On the plus side, Redskins fans like myself actually have something to be excited about on offense for the first time in oh... a decade.

We have a defense somewhere around the bottom of the Top 10 and our best d-lineman coming back from an injury that killed his season last year. I don't like what they gave up, but I understand why they did it and I'm going to remain hopeful.

Acting like this is the Walker deal is pure ignorance, and the Cleveland Browns were putting together a nearly identical deal, so this isn't outside the realm of reason as some are suggesting. What it IS is a risky move... giving up more depth for a potential franchise QB in an era where QBs are more important than ever. I don't blame the Browns for thinking the price was a little too high, nor the Skins for thinking this is what they needed to do. Time will tell...

 

[PhillyPhaithful48]

so I guess we threw in a clementine as well.

Pretty much

I think they are viewing it as trading 3 first round picks for RG3, as if he is automatic to go in that spot, therefore not getting another first in return. Really a moot point, just my 2 straw pennies

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

In my opinion proven commodities (free agents, Orakpo, Kerrigan) are more valuable than picks that could be anywhere from 1 to 32.....

Orakpo & Kerrigan were 1st round picks. There will be 3 stud QB's available in next years draft. Barkley, Jones & the QB at Arkansas. This was a bad move. The Skins gave up too much. The Giants didn't give up as much when they moved up to get Eli.