OT: MCoy Should Just Shut His Mouth and Go To Work

[zman1527]

That's possible. And it may not seem fair. Hell, it may not be fair. Though I would also contend that as far as racial slurs go, the n-word has particular significance.[/QUOTE]

How so? Is a slur more offensive when its used against one group rather than another? Because if that is what you are saying, I would consider that a racist statement. If you call me a chink or a spic is that better than you calling me a ****er? Just stop while you still have some credibility.

Dude, I am going to assume you are a white male so stop me if I am wrong. If you cannot see that these other groups ("chinks", "spics", "neegurs") have been seriously and terribly oppressed in this nation and are therefore justifiably very sensitive the racial slurs, then you need to give it some more serious thought.

Has anyone of your class ever been hung from a tree by a lynch mob in this country just for looking at a woman of another skin color? Been refused admittance to restaurant because of their skin color? Been denied their personal freedom because of their skin color? I didn't think so.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

Despite your shrill protestations, this statement is another clear indication that you were never a member of a team. They would only become closer by resolving it internally and opening themselves to ech other, not the rabid wolves in the press. All of us who played know that you keep it in the clubhouse.

And your assumptions that there is only one way for a team to grow from this make it clear that you have never been on a team. Or at least on a team that was worth anything.

More to the point, I am no defending McCoy as such. Was he wrong? Maybe. But it's a drop in the bucket of the mess that was Cooper created. And I find it quite telling that you chose to start a thread on the topic by attacking McCoy. Again, it says a lot about how you view accountability. You seem all too eager to excuse the person who sets events in motion, while castigating people who respond to a situation that was created by another.

 

[Irish7478]

That's possible. And it may not seem fair. Hell, it may not be fair. Though I would also contend that as far as racial slurs go, the n-word has particular significance.[/QUOTE]

How so? Is a slur more offensive when its used against one group rather than another? Because if that is what you are saying, I would consider that a racist statement. If you call me a chink or a spic is that better than you calling me a ****er? Just stop while you still have some credibility.

You're probably right, I suggest you go out and use the n word as much as possible. I'm sure everyone will see it your way. I bet Cooper wishes he had threatened to fight the "chinks" in the crowd.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

I had to stop reading right there. You were never on a college team. The thought of it actually made me laugh out loud.

Yeah, you're probably right. I'm sure four years of Division I college athletics doesn't really compare to your experience on the middle school cheerleading squad.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

That's possible. And it may not seem fair. Hell, it may not be fair. Though I would also contend that as far as racial slurs go, the n-word has particular significance.[/QUOTE]

How so? Is a slur more offensive when its used against one group rather than another? Because if that is what you are saying, I would consider that a racist statement. If you call me a chink or a spic is that better than you calling me a ****er? Just stop while you still have some credibility.

If you don't realize that the n-word is more loaded than pretty much any word in the English language, then I can't help you. You know, something about 150 years of subjugating a race solely on that basis.

 

[JDM]

Yeah, the n word is awful for this country every single time it is used. By anybody. That doesn't change the fact that you let other people fight the public battle and worry about your team and how to handle that. He says that in an eagles practice to the entire team, that's awesome. State your feelings. But the battle in the press is not something you join in on.

 

[imac_21]

If you don't realize that the n-word is more loaded than pretty much any word in the English language, then I can't help you. You know, something about 150 years of subjugating a race solely on that basis.

I think we have to consider context as well. I don't think this would be as much of an issue if Cooper was caught on camera saying "me and my n!&&@s are going to a Kenny Chesney concert tonight," rather than "I will fight every n!&&#* here!" It would be an issue still, but rather than being "Cooper's a racist" it would be "Cooper's an idiot."

This goes for words beyond n!&&@ as well.

If you're talking to a girl right after she dominates a basketball (or soccer or whatever) game and you tell her she's a beast, that's a compliment.

If you're talking to her when she's trying on a wedding dress, it's a different situation.

 

[JDM]

In terms of harm specific to him, you're not wrong, but in terms of overall harm nothing has the same poignant history the n word does. Everyone who says it and every time they do is harmful to our society. It continually emphasizes race, and when you combine it's history to how it is used culturally (not daily use but the image that is portrayed in music, etc), every time that word is used that connection is formed in your brain, conscious or not.

 

[purguy12]

Im sorry but this shouldnt be a big story like this. If this was Payton Manning then I can understand. The N word isnt right but it can be used at White or Black people. I dont like what he said but this is a little crazy to have the story this big.

This is why American society is so crazy. If a Black man says the N word its ok but when a White guy says it, the world goes crazy. I have alot of African Americans and I dont use the word. Its not a good word to use but to have a story blow up like this is crazy.

 

[NinerSickness]

Im sorry but this shouldnt be a big story like this.

It's not. This isn't news; it's an excuse for people in the media (and shit stirrers like NolanNonsense) to get on their soap boxes. That's all it is. No adult human beings have their feelings hurt by the N word any more (with a few exceptions I'm sure, but in public it generally doesn't happen). Why? Because whoever uses it gets crucified or are marginalized now. Some people, however, salivate at the thought of white people using it so they have an excuse to preach. The problem is that EVERYONE knows Cooper was a moron for what he did, so they're preaching to the choir. So TobyTyler / NolanNonsense is essentially just doing this:



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:ss:

 

[Crimsoncrew]

Yeah, the n word is awful for this country every single time it is used. By anybody. That doesn't change the fact that you let other people fight the public battle and worry about your team and how to handle that. He says that in an eagles practice to the entire team, that's awesome. State your feelings. But the battle in the press is not something you join in on.

Sure, ideally he wouldn't have aired his grievances in the press. Again, that's not the story here. Cooper's statement was the catalyst of all of this, and he bears the lion's share of responsibility for any fallout. Trying to divert attention and blame onto McCoy is a little silly IMO.

 

[MHSL82]

Not saying anyone on this board, but sometimes it seems like some people are jealous that they get to use that word. And it seems like there is no genuine care for the people who that word is about. Everyone stop using that word - if you can use it, so can I! Context and meaning don't matter! The truth is, when one person says it, it means something different and is perceived by the people who it is about differently. How people think that doesn't matter is funny to me.

The word itself isn't bad. It's what it makes people feel that is bad. If no one cared, it's ok. So if the African Americans don't care when one of their own says it, it's doesn't matter when they say it. So when a black says it to a black who is ok, then there's no problem. But it's clear that a white person saying it isn't alright with them. But regardless of that fact, people want to be able to say it or want people to be upset when others who have been accepted to say it use it? Racism is wrong both ways, so when a black calls someone a cracker, it's wrong - but I won't pretend that those two words have equivalent significance. BTW, feel free to call another white a cracker. There, it's equal.

It's pretty simple to live this life without saying it. It's not lik thy said that you can't us th lttr "e."

 

[JDM]

Not saying anyone on this board, but sometimes it seems like some people are jealous that they get to use that word. And it seems like there is no genuine care for the people who that word is about. Everyone stop using that word - if you can use it, so can I! Context and meaning don't matter! The truth is, when one person says it, it means something different and is perceived by the people who it is about differently. How people think that doesn't matter is funny to me.

The word itself isn't bad. It's what it makes people feel that is bad. If no one cared, it's ok. So if the African Americans don't care when one of their own says it, it's doesn't matter when they say it. So when a black says it to a black who is ok, then there's no problem. But it's clear that a white person saying it isn't alright with them. But regardless of that fact, people want to be able to say it or want people to be upset when others who have been accepted to say it use it? Racism is wrong both ways, so when a black calls someone a cracker, it's wrong - but I won't pretend that those two words have equivalent significance. BTW, feel free to call another white a cracker. There, it's equal.

It's pretty simple to live this life without saying it. It's not lik thy said that you can't us th lttr "e."

I never have, never will, and don't want to. But black people saying it is just as harmful. Claiming otherwise is ignorance of basic psychology.

 

[TobyTyler]

And your assumptions that there is only one way for a team to grow from this make it clear that you have never been on a team. Or at least on a team that was worth anything.

More to the point, I am no defending McCoy as such. Was he wrong? Maybe. But it's a drop in the bucket of the mess that was Cooper created. And I find it quite telling that you chose to start a thread on the topic by attacking McCoy. Again, it says a lot about how you view accountability. You seem all too eager to excuse the person who sets events in motion, while castigating people who respond to a situation that was created by another.

We finally agree on something. The diference is Cooper did not intend for his statement to be public and McCoy did. McCoy purposely disrupted the team and Cooper did so inadvertantly.

 

[TobyTyler]

If you don't realize that the n-word is more loaded than pretty much any word in the English language, then I can't help you. You know, something about 150 years of subjugating a race solely on that basis.

Bullshit. A small percentage of that race was subjugated by a small percentage of another race for a short period of time. If you don't think other groups have been "subjugated" as harshly and for much longer you probably should read a little more.

 

[TobyTyler]

If you don't realize that the n-word is more loaded than pretty much any word in the English language, then I can't help you. You know, something about 150 years of subjugating a race solely on that basis.

You could be right. After all, this board's censor lets me type the words chink and spic but when I try to type the word ****er, as you can see, I can't. Now that is absurd.

 

[imac_21]

I never have, never will, and don't want to. But black people saying it is just as harmful. Claiming otherwise is ignorance of basic psychology.

So because certain women refer to each other as "bitches" in a complimentary way, everyone should be able to call any woman in bitch in any context?

 

[Yadahell]

If you aren't an African American, then you can't relate to an African American being upset about this. It's pretty simple.

 

[TobyTyler]

So because certain women refer to each other as "bitches" in a complimentary way, everyone should be able to call any woman in bitch in any context?

Cooper just left the team to go seek counseling for his "problem". What a phoney bastard. At least stand up and admit your prejudices now that you have been caught. Don't pretend you "want to try and find out how you could do something so heinous". What a joke.

 

[SEC Official]

The biggest problem Riley has is he was a borderline starter from the get go... this may just be the excuse the Eagles need to try someone else.