OT: Jonathan Martin checked into looney bin

[TobyTyler]

Depends. You are thinking like a black person in that the only racism is directed against them. There are many, many other examples of racism. I still say that any conscious decision made where race is a factor is inherently racist. Giving advantages to prospective Connecticut Fire chiefs who can't compete on equal ground with their white counterparts is racist. Not only wre Cooper's words racist but Williams punching a white dude because he is white for something he said to another person is racist.

And you are going to tell us what is racist and what isn't? Sorry, bruh, but you are a little too old and too out of touch for this argument.[/QUOTE]

You got me there.

 

[whysies]

Bullshit. Are you telling me that Williams would have punched Cooper for calling out "Chinks"? Absolutely not.

Highly doubtful. Williams isn't Asian (I don't think) so he likely would not have been personally offended by that comment.

What's your point?

 

[TobyTyler]

Highly doubtful. Williams isn't Asian (I don't think) so he likely would not have been personally offended by that comment.

What's your point?

You know what the point is. I can tell by the weak response above.

 

[whysies]

You know what the point is. I can tell by the weak response above.

I honestly don't know what your point is

Cooper said something racist about a group of people that Williams is a part of and Williams punched him because of that. How does that make Williams racist?

 

[TobyTyler]

I honestly don't know what your point is

Cooper said something racist about a group of people that Williams is a part of and Williams punched him because of that. How does that make Williams racist?

Simple. Because he would not have punched a black player who said it. He punched Cooper because Cooper is white and said it. But you could be right that part of it was he didn't like Cooper being better than him and dominating him in practice.

 

[whysies]

Simple. Because he would not have punched a black player who said it. He punched Cooper because Cooper is white and said it. But you could be right that part of it was he didn't like Cooper being better than him and dominating him in practice.

When did I say anything about Cooper dominating him in practice?

Maybe he would not punch a black player who used the same word because the black player wouldn't be using it in a racist way.

He punched Cooper for being racist, not for being a white racist.

 

[TobyTyler]

When did I say anything about Cooper dominating him in practice?

Maybe he would not punch a black player who used the same word because the black player wouldn't be using it in a racist way.

He punched Cooper for being racist, not for being a white racist.

Well, you could be right and I could be wrong. Boy, wouldn't that be a switch?

 

[whysies]

Well, you could be right and I could be wrong. Boy, wouldn't that be a switch?

Again, I'm not clear on what you're saying here. Are you giving up the ridiculous "Williams was doing something racist by punching Cooper" argument? Did I actually get you to give up on your racist grandpa schtick in this argument?

If so I'm going to give myself a fucking cookie

 

[RoboticDreams]

Wtf did I just walk into? I'll chime in: the "N" word should never be used by anyone, for any reason, period. The end.

 

[TobyTyler]

Again, I'm not clear on what you're saying here. Are you giving up the ridiculous "Williams was doing something racist by punching Cooper" argument? Did I actually get you to give up on your racist grandpa schtick in this argument?

If so I'm going to give myself a fucking cookie

I believe Wiliams' attack was racially motivated and you believe it wasn't. I'm more than likely correct but you could be.

 

[whysies]

I believe Wiliams' attack was racially motivated and you believe it wasn't. I'm more than likely correct but you could be.

Why are you more than likely correct? Because no one else agrees with you?

 

[TobyTyler]

Why are you more than likely correct? Because no one else agrees with you?

Two reasons: One, in our previous arguments you have never been right and I always have been and 2nd, my argument that his attack was racially motivated is unassailable.

 

[whysies]

Two reasons: One, in our previous arguments you have never been right and I always have been and 2nd, my argument that his attack was racially motivated is unassailable.

 

[sjballer03]

It feels so good putting that idiot on ignore. I'll just live vicariously through your posts. Fight the good fight!

 

[Crimsoncrew]

Simple. Because he would not have punched a black player who said it. He punched Cooper because Cooper is white and said it. But you could be right that part of it was he didn't like Cooper being better than him and dominating him in practice.

Two thoughts here.

First, you have already conceded that the word has a different significance when white people use it than when black people do. Based on your definition of "racist," anyone who took any action based on Cooper's statement would be racist. If his white teammate and best friend (I don't know who that is, just a hypo here) sat him down and said, "Hey man, that's not cool and it's hurtful to our other teammates," that guy would be racist according to your definition of the term. That's ridiculous.

Second, Williams is pretty clearly the more accomplished player, at least to date. Cooper is a borderline #2 WR.

 

[TobyTyler]

It feels so good putting that idiot on ignore. I'll just live vicariously through your posts. Fight the good fight![/QUOTE]

It will be honor and my pleasure to do so.

 

[TobyTyler]

Two thoughts here.

First, you have already conceded that the word has a different significance when white people use it than when black people do. Based on your definition of "racist," anyone who took any action based on Cooper's statement would be racist. If his white teammate and best friend (I don't know who that is, just a hypo here) sat him down and said, "Hey man, that's not cool and it's hurtful to our other teammates," that guy would be racist according to your definition of the term. That's ridiculous.

Second, Williams is pretty clearly the more accomplished player, at least to date. Cooper is a borderline #2 WR.

No. Based on my definition any person who took action because Cooper is white and made the statement he made was racially motivated. As far as Williams being the more accomplished player, you must have missed Cooper's dominating three touchdown catch performance against the raiders last week.

 

[TobyTyler]

Two thoughts here.

First, you have already conceded that the word has a different significance when white people use it than when black people do. Based on your definition of "racist," anyone who took any action based on Cooper's statement would be racist. If his white teammate and best friend (I don't know who that is, just a hypo here) sat him down and said, "Hey man, that's not cool and it's hurtful to our other teammates," that guy would be racist according to your definition of the term. That's ridiculous.

Second, Williams is pretty clearly the more accomplished player, at least to date. Cooper is a borderline #2 WR.

I have. Cooper made a racist statement. Williams took action that was racially motivated.

 

[whysies]

No. Based on my definition any person who took action because Cooper is white and made the statement he made was racially motivated. As far as Williams being the more accomplished player, you must have missed Cooper's dominating three touchdown catch performance against the raiders last week.

And by that logic Kap dominated the Packers so clearly he is a good, established player and is not worthy of all your criticism.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

No. Based on my definition any person who took action because Cooper is white and made the statement he made was racially motivated. As far as Williams being the more accomplished player, you must have missed Cooper's dominating three touchdown catch performance against the raiders last week.

Two more thoughts:

First, this friend in my hypo would obviously be saying something to Cooper because he was white. For that matter, we are discussing what Cooper said because he's white, so we're apparently racist, too. Look, if you're conceding that the word has different significance because Cooper is white, literally anyone who took any action based on what he said is, but your definition, racist.

Second, I caught Cooper's game - or at least am aware of the result. One good game hardly makes him the better player. Cooper is below 30 yards in 2/3 of his starts this year, with only one TD in those six games. As said, he's a borderline #2 WR. Williams certainly isn't an elite CB, but he's a legit starting caliber player. Cooper would be better off as a third receiver.