OT - I'm bored, Part Pangos & Bell!

[pixburgher66]

Is there a team who took a quicker heel turn than the Royals? Lovable last year to despicable this year. Their team mentality with HBP is archaic.

 

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Is there a team who took a quicker heel turn than the Royals? Lovable last year to despicable this year. Their team mentality with HBP is archaic.

Home plate umpire mismanaged the entire situation, pix. If you give out a warning, then you have to enforce it. Donaldson post-game said that he didn't think the warning was warranted, but once it's out there., you can't let the same guy throw at Donaldson again without tossing him.

 

[pixburgher66]

Home plate umpire mismanaged the entire situation, pix. If you give out a warning, then you have to enforce it. Donaldson post-game said that he didn't think the warning was warranted, but once it's out there., you can't let the same guy throw at Donaldson again without tossing him.

And in the realm of the exact opposite was how the umps handled the Pirate game. Warnings are dumb, sooooo dumb. They need to reevaluate the system.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Umpire sure lost control of the situation but the Royals comments after the game were dumb as all fuck.

Anyway, David Price throws strikes in a Blue Jays uni today! That is fucking awesome!

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

And in the realm of the exact opposite was how the umps handled the Pirate game. Warnings are dumb, sooooo dumb. They need to reevaluate the system.

The problem s how do you discern intentional hits from accidental ones?

 

[Cobiemonster]

The problem s how do you discern intentional hits from accidental ones?

I think more times than not, if you have a functioning brain and you're watching the game, you'll know when it's intentional or not when you consider the game situation and the pitch that gets thrown

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

I think more times than not, if you have a functioning brain and you're watching the game, you'll know when it's intentional or not when you consider the game situation and the pitch that gets thrown

I agree, but I also saw the Dbacks (or bags, whichever) throw at a batter in retaliation for a clearly unintentional HBP so maybe pitchers and managers just to need figure out how not to be fucking terrible human beings.

 

[Cobiemonster]

I agree, but I also saw the Dbacks (or bags, whichever) throw at a batter in retaliation for a clearly unintentional HBP so maybe pitchers and managers just to need figure out how not to be fucking terrible human beings.

Yep, players tend to overblow a situation and they think every HBP is intentional

For example, I think Jose Bautista is a real good player, but he's such a whiny ass - he's always complaining about something and he made Ned Yost's comments sound as if they were disrespectful - he was merely saying that the Jays lean in a lot(which there isn't that much wrong with) and that you have to work them inside in order to get them out and that it can be difficult sometimes if they are leaning in - that's no different than anyone else in the league - but then Joey Bats turned it into a bigger issue and said he lost respect for him, which is stupid for a comment like that

 

[forty_three]

Is there a team who took a quicker heel turn than the Royals? Lovable last year to despicable this year. Their team mentality with HBP is archaic.

Lovable last year?

 

[pixburgher66]

Lovable last year?

Lovable...to most. They were that "awww, look at them win!" story. This year that's Houston.

 

[pixburgher66]

Yep, players tend to overblow a situation and they think every HBP is intentional

For example, I think Jose Bautista is a real good player, but he's such a whiny ass - he's always complaining about something and he made Ned Yost's comments sound as if they were disrespectful - he was merely saying that the Jays lean in a lot(which there isn't that much wrong with) and that you have to work them inside in order to get them out and that it can be difficult sometimes if they are leaning in - that's no different than anyone else in the league - but then Joey Bats turned it into a bigger issue and said he lost respect for him, which is stupid for a comment like that

Joey Bats is a giant whiner, yes...but those comments from Yost were laughable. Also laughable were Ventura's tweets, which he in turn deleted. He's possibly my least favorite MLB player.

 

[pixburgher66]

I agree, but I also saw the Dbacks (or bags, whichever) throw at a batter in retaliation for a clearly unintentional HBP so maybe pitchers and managers just to need figure out how not to be fucking terrible human beings.

The DBacks one last year was the worst I had seen. Inside pitch clips Goldy's hand, breaks a bone. It sucks, but that's part of the game. It was also a horrible pitcher who threw it. Then they waited until the end of the game the NEXT DAY to hit Cutch square in the back. First off: someone will be severely hurt one of these days, and the MLB will look dumb. In that case it was a manager who was a terrible human being, because you'll note the DBacks aren't as idiotic this year. It's hard when a team throws inside with regularity to determine intent, it is...but retaliation is obvious. When after a game a player (looks at Byrd) mentions how it stems from the game the night before, it's intentional. I still contend that penalties outside of the game would calm things down. It'll never disappear of course, because testosterone, that's why.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Yep, players tend to overblow a situation and they think every HBP is intentional

For example, I think Jose Bautista is a real good player, but he's such a whiny ass - he's always complaining about something and he made Ned Yost's comments sound as if they were disrespectful - he was merely saying that the Jays lean in a lot(which there isn't that much wrong with) and that you have to work them inside in order to get them out and that it can be difficult sometimes if they are leaning in - that's no different than anyone else in the league - but then Joey Bats turned it into a bigger issue and said he lost respect for him, which is stupid for a comment like that

Joey talks a lot. It gets old.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

The DBacks one last year was the worst I had seen. Inside pitch clips Goldy's hand, breaks a bone. It sucks, but that's part of the game. It was also a horrible pitcher who threw it. Then they waited until the end of the game the NEXT DAY to hit Cutch square in the back. First off: someone will be severely hurt one of these days, and the MLB will look dumb. In that case it was a manager who was a terrible human being, because you'll note the DBacks aren't as idiotic this year. It's hard when a team throws inside with regularity to determine intent, it is...but retaliation is obvious. When after a game a player (looks at Byrd) mentions how it stems from the game the night before, it's intentional. I still contend that penalties outside of the game would calm things down. It'll never disappear of course, because testosterone, that's why.

Yeah, I would much rather not see 95 mph fastballs being lobbed at people's bodies.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

So I had read Yost's comments but hadn't actually seen video of him saying them until right now and he just looks like a smug pompous POS. Kinda get where Bautista's coming from now.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Gregg Zaun just ripped Ventura apart on the pre-game lmao. Not bad.

 

[pixburgher66]

Yeah, I would much rather not see 95 mph fastballs being lobbed at people's bodies.

I'll never understand people who downplay the danger of it all. It doesn't take much for that ball to wander. Intentional HBP are always fastballs for pain/control factor, and a hard projectile hitting a guy anywhere can cause damage, but the "square in the back" is somehow viewed as being nice. Uhhhh, no. You can break vertebrae.

 

[pixburgher66]

So I had read Yost's comments but hadn't actually seen video of him saying them until right now and he just looks like a smug pompous POS. Kinda get where Bautista's coming from now.

It was a joke. Really was the delivery. "Man, what are they mad about? Intentional? Why would we do that?" Wellllll, NED...let's take a look at your team this year and these problems.

 

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Brendan Kennedy ‏@BKennedyStar
David Price in post-game TV interview: "That's hands-down the best atmosphere I've ever pitched in." #bluejays

 

[esls79]

Brendan Kennedy ‏@BKennedyStar
David Price in post-game TV interview: "That's hands-down the best atmosphere I've ever pitched in." #bluejays

That's great and all but can he play C and does he have a dedicated offseason training regimen that doesn't involve donuts and fishing?