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The 50 anniversary SNL really has been dull so far outside of Eddie Murphy imitating Tracey Morgon.
 

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Bill Murray’s part of weekend update was good.
But so far outside those two things not much else.
 

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How can it take 20 years to build a train station?

Typical US infrastructure work. Take forever and make it obsolete before it ever opens.

Sadly this is with most any mass transit project. But if you want a new highway/bypass for cars. Voila no hesitation at all.
 

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Typical US infrastructure work. Take forever and make it obsolete before it ever opens.

Sadly this is with most any mass transit project. But if you want a new highway/bypass for cars. Voila no hesitation at all.
In highways defence the Big Dig also took Boston 20 years.
 

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In highways defence the Big Dig also took Boston 20 years.
Geography didn't help that situation. Also more along the lines of in the US if you want new roads for cars, sure have it. But anything that promotes mass transit takes major red tape, political scrutiny and more often than not have to get voters to approve.

I am not saying the highway projects get done quickly just mentioning they have a lot less red tape so they get started quicker.
This scenario for this change is just insane.

I thought the 8 years to update the Little Five Points stating in Atlanta's MARTA was crazy. NOTE: The station was closed from 2022 -2026, it is still able to be used for transfers only.
 
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Geography didn't help that situation. Also more along the lines of in the US if you want new roads for cars, sure have it. But anything that promotes mass transit takes major red tape, political scrutiny and more often than not have to get voters to approve.

I am not saying the highway projects get done quickly just mentioning they have a lot less red tape so they get started quicker.
This scenario for this change is just insane.

I thought the 8 years to update the Little Five Points stating in Atlanta's MARTA was crazy. NOTE: The station was closed from 2022 -2026, it is still able to be used for transfers only.
The thing with building transit is it’s disruptive and rather than not giving a shit and just piling through like they did back in the day governments spend a shit ton of money trying to accommodate everybody.

Then because apparently we either suck at keeping schedules or suck at making them everything goes beyond the expected duration and drives everyone insane.

Won’t lie, I know very little about the West Station plan in Boston but I’m almost positive if they were just focusing on the build part instead of a bunch of other things they could get it done in half that time.
 

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The thing with building transit is it’s disruptive and rather than not giving a shit and just piling through like they did back in the day governments spend a shit ton of money trying to accommodate everybody.

Then because apparently we either suck at keeping schedules or suck at making them everything goes beyond the expected duration and drives everyone insane.

Won’t lie, I know very little about the West Station plan in Boston but I’m almost positive if they were just focusing on the build part instead of a bunch of other things they could get it done in half that time.
I dont know a lot about it either, but I think we can at least all be happy they did a good job and that it's not leaking or anything.
 

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I dont know a lot about it either, but I think we can at least all be happy they did a good job and that it's not leaking or anything.
Only two chunks of concrete have fallen on cars.

Unlike Toronto where the Gardiner poops some cement on a daily basis on unsuspecting Mini Coopers.
 

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Only two chunks of concrete have fallen on cars.

Unlike Toronto where the Gardiner poops some cement on a daily basis on unsuspecting Mini Coopers.
Only two? That's not bad.
If I go into my office, depending on traffic, I usually drive through the older of Baltimore's two tunnels. It's just decrepit, dark, and looks hundreds of years old. Now if occasionally a chunk of concrete would fall, or fresh clean water from the Patapsco River above would sometimes start leaking in; then it would be an adventure tunnel! I'd be happy to pay my $3 for an adventure commute.
 

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Only two? That's not bad.
If I go into my office, depending on traffic, I usually drive through the older of Baltimore's two tunnels. It's just decrepit, dark, and looks hundreds of years old. Now if occasionally a chunk of concrete would fall, or fresh clean water from the Patapsco River above would sometimes start leaking in; then it would be an adventure tunnel! I'd be happy to pay my $3 for an adventure commute.
One of the worst days of my life was sitting in that tunnel for 45 minutes because of an accident ahead of us.

You think those tiles look awful when driving? So much worse when stopped. Like an inch thick layer of grime and mystery moisture.
 

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One of the worst days of my life was sitting in that tunnel for 45 minutes because of an accident ahead of us.

You think those tiles look awful when driving? So much worse when stopped. Like an inch thick layer of grime and mystery moisture.
Dont forget the scrapes on the ceiling. At the entrances I at least understand the scrapes, but in the middle?
 

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Only two? That's not bad.
If I go into my office, depending on traffic, I usually drive through the older of Baltimore's two tunnels. It's just decrepit, dark, and looks hundreds of years old. Now if occasionally a chunk of concrete would fall, or fresh clean water from the Patapsco River above would sometimes start leaking in; then it would be an adventure tunnel! I'd be happy to pay my $3 for an adventure commute.
I mean at least a drunk sailor can’t crash into a tunnel.

That bridge collapse is still surreal to me.
 

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The thing with building transit is it’s disruptive and rather than not giving a shit and just piling through like they did back in the day governments spend a shit ton of money trying to accommodate everybody.

Then because apparently we either suck at keeping schedules or suck at making them everything goes beyond the expected duration and drives everyone insane.

Won’t lie, I know very little about the West Station plan in Boston but I’m almost positive if they were just focusing on the build part instead of a bunch of other things they could get it done in half that time.

It is all disruptive, it is very intriguing, in the US the car culture is ingrained into us that no one ever balks at road expansion. When most times it is wasteful.

As for mass transit, if managed properly it can be amazing, but unfortunately it is not. Going back to MARTA for one it is the most unreliable transit service you can be on.

As for this Boston thing, which that time frame is insane, I read they needed to add time for demo of existing buildings to accommodate the new station. Not sure the logistics behind it either.
 
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