On Stafford's benching

[RobBase]

I just heard that 47 quarterbacks have taken live game snaps this so far this season. Stafford is ranked 47th.

That's fucked up.

 

[Old Lion]

Staff can not be in a complicated offense. His reads are too slow. Its obvious now that Linehan had the right idea in just checking the ball deep, but teams solved that puzzle easily so it does not work anymore. Staff could still be successful but it will take just the right balance of scheme and talent around him. He is not going to carry a team.

 

[redseat]

His cap hit is $22.5 for 2016. he still carries 11 million in dead money. So much like Suh. It would save 11.5 mill in cap space, but your still paying 11 mill for him not to be a Lion.

at this point would that really matter? I mean besides the Cap hit... Wouldn't think be something the Lions should at least consider?

 

[Rollingthndr]

at this point would that really matter? I mean besides the Cap hit... Wouldn't think be something the Lions should at least consider?

I wouldn't cut him or trade him on dead money. Unless some team was willing to cough up some valuable picks and we were picking top 3. Then you can shoot for the franchise QB.

 

[redseat]

I wouldn't cut him or trade him on dead money. Unless some team was willing to cough up some valuable picks and we were picking top 3. Then you can shoot for the franchise QB.

Yeah good point about needing picks. However at this point do you think he would bring anything more than a 3rd rounder?

 

[Rollingthndr]

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Yeah good point about needing picks. However at this point do you think he would bring anything more than a 3rd rounder?

Yeah, only because it's a QB driven league.

Jet's, Redskins, Browns, Texans, Saints?, Broncos, Niners?

 

[Thruthefog]

Keep Stafford.

Gym Shorts and Linehan.
Black Spock and Gobsmacked
And the only organization that could lose Ravioli and the OL gets worse.

Not Staffords' fault.

 

[redseat]

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Yeah, only because it's a QB driven league.

Jet's, Redskins, Browns, Texans, Saints?, Broncos, Niners?

Very true... however... I don't see the Saints moving on from Brees, the Broncos just need a better OL to protect Manning (at least for this year and next.

 

[Thruthefog]

Keep Stafford.

Gym Shorts and Linehan.
Black Spock and Gobsmacked
And the only organization that could lose Ravioli and the OL gets worse.

Not Staffords' fault.

Or maybe it's because I realize I don't have another 40 years to wait for Stafford's replacement.

 

[RobBase]

Or maybe it's because I realize I don't have another 40 years to wait for Stafford's replacement.

I'm no pro scout but I see no QBs coming out in this draft that look better than Stafford. Goff sure doesn't look like anything special.

 

[broncosmitty]

Black Spock almost made me choke on my nachos.

 

[Rollingthndr]

I'm no pro scout but I see no QBs coming out in this draft that look better than Stafford. Goff sure doesn't look like anything special.

What about Boykin? That dude seems like a play maker. Ala Russell Wilson, but faster.

 

[gandydancer]

at this point would that really matter? I mean besides the Cap hit... Wouldn't think be something the Lions should at least consider?

Red I am not a Stafford fan and have not really ever been. He is a mediocre guy who has shown to thrive at times. He just does stupid shit at the wrong time. Kid has a rocket arm and all the tools to be great. He's just never going to use all his tools. he drives me crazy watching him.

I also realize the Lions did win with him and a great defense. Many here who loved and defended him want to run him out of town. That can also get you Geno, Emmanuel or Manziel. I
I mentioned elsewhere I'd love to see Sean Payton with him before I completely give up on him. Sean can't better him, IMO don't see many others doing it.

 

[Old Lion]

I'm no pro scout but I see no QBs coming out in this draft that look better than Stafford. Goff sure doesn't look like anything special.

I said the same thing in another thread. I may have to recheck my thinking now, LOL.

What about Boykin? That dude seems like a play maker. Ala Russell Wilson, but faster.

I have heard his name thrown around already as he has been lighting it up. I will keep an eye on him to see if he continues to develop. Imagine if TCU had last years defense with this years offense.

 

[blh7068]

His cap hit is $22.5 for 2016. he still carries 11 million in dead money. So much like Suh. It would save 11.5 mill in cap space, but your still paying 11 mill for him not to be a Lion.

Wouldnt his 5.5 mil dead money hit for 2017 be accelerated into the 2016 cap year?

 

[gandydancer]

I said the same thing in another thread. I may have to recheck my thinking now, LOL.



I have heard his name thrown around already as he has been lighting it up. I will keep an eye on him to see if he continues to develop. Imagine if TCU had last years defense with this years offense.

Boykin will need time to adjust to calling plays in a huddle and actually reading a defense. The college system these days are killing the talent pool on offense in the pros for OL and QB's

As Rob is saying not many kids coming out worth a shit. At least kids who play in a pro style college scheme which is what I prefer. So comparing Boykin to Russell is off IMO. RW took a lot of snaps under center. Which puts kids further along in developing down the road.

 

[gandydancer]

Wouldnt his 5.5 mil dead money hit for 2017 be accelerated into the 2016 cap year?

It's 5.5 for 2016 and 2017. That's the 11 in dead money. His guaranteed money is paid. It's just bonus money that's owed.

 

[blh7068]

I see...its already figured in. Makes sense. Thanks!

 

[redseat]

Red I am not a Stafford fan and have not really ever been. He is a mediocre guy who has shown to thrive at times. He just does stupid shit at the wrong time. Kid has a rocket arm and all the tools to be great. He's just never going to use all his tools. he drives me crazy watching him.

I also realize the Lions did win with him and a great defense. Many here who loved and defended him want to run him out of town. That can also get you Geno, Emmanuel or Manziel. I
I mentioned elsewhere I'd love to see Sean Payton with him before I completely give up on him. Sean can't better him, IMO don't see many others doing it.

Very true. He does have the arm and at times he certainly shows he has "it" yet he isn't consistent at all. Granted that could be due to the OL as well. In reality are those 3 QBS better than Stafford?

 

[gandydancer]

Very true. He does have the arm and at times he certainly shows he has "it" yet he isn't consistent at all. Granted that could be due to the OL as well. In reality are those 3 QBS better than Stafford?

No, they flat out suck. So just wanting to cut or trade a guy means nothing. Not always the answer. Crap shoot on what the next guy does. Ask a Browns fan how this works with QBs and GMs.

I think with all Staffrds flaws he can still lead this team to a deep run. Without a top ranked rush offense and top ranked defense it will never happen though. Romo effect, minimize his chances and he succeeds.