OKC is the next dynasty

[thunderc]

Unless I misread it, wouldn't the best player in the deal be Jalen Williams? Not sure it's Hartenstein centric just because he's highest paid in proposed deal. But i agree not a piece the Bucks really need that badly.

Let’s quit talking about this like it’s a deal the Thunder would make under any circumstances. They are not giving up Jdub for anyone.

 

[dtgold88]

Let’s quit talking about this like it’s a deal the Thunder would make under any circumstances. They are not giving up Jdub for anyone.

I'm not talking about it like that, but people here have talked about more absurd fake deals than this one.

 

[tlance]

Giannis salary is only $48M. If they wanted to trade for a superstar that is the one good thing about the gross overpay for Hart. He is $30M. Adding Jalen is obvious in this situation so another $5M. You only need to add one more player from this list of Dort, Joe, Wiggins and Caruso.

So it's a 3 for 1. It would be very worth it right now bc OKC has the depth. Like I said many times, it won't happen but considering Giannis could be labeled as the best player, if not top 3, it gives them a 3-4 year window at least. There is no guarantee Jalen can be that guy ever.
Trade is good for MIL bc they get to see him as a #1 option, he will never hit full growth as a #2 or #3 but is a great fit for OKC + additional assets and picks.
Good for OKC bc Giannis does not have to carry a team. It extends his prime and he can do more of the little things. Over time when he declines, he can even form into a 3rd option. He has skills to expand his post game to a greater extent.

I think you are acting like fit is a foregone conclusion.

Giannis has a unique skill set that doesn’t seamlessly fit into just any roster.

Honestly, I wouldn’t trade JDub straight up for Giannis if I were OKC.

Adding in Hart and whoever else they need to add makes it a non-starter.

Now, take JDub out? Make it IHart + every pick they control + other salary filler?

Then you do it.

And I am still not sure there are many other teams out there that could top that offer.

But like you said, it isn’t happening.

 

[thunderc]

I think you are acting like fit is a foregone conclusion.

Giannis has a unique skill set that doesn’t seamlessly fit into just any roster.

Honestly, I wouldn’t trade JDub straight up for Giannis if I were OKC.

Adding in Hart and whoever else they need to add makes it a non-starter.

Now, take JDub out? Make it IHart + every pick they control + other salary filler?

Then you do it.

And I am still not sure there are many other teams out there that could top that offer.

But like you said, it isn’t happening.

It’s all the win now mentality, people don’t understand building a team and doing it your way no matter what. Sure if you have a real shot at something you take it, but I laugh at people that think Presti is going to trade a very possible superstar without seeing it out. Right or wrong that guy is going to see this through. Everyone will see what Jdub is 2 to 3 years from now, I have no doubt about that.

 

[trojanfan12]

I think you are acting like fit is a foregone conclusion.

Giannis has a unique skill set that doesn’t seamlessly fit into just any roster.

Honestly, I wouldn’t trade JDub straight up for Giannis if I were OKC.

Adding in Hart and whoever else they need to add makes it a non-starter.

Now, take JDub out? Make it IHart + every pick they control + other salary filler?

Then you do it.

And I am still not sure there are many other teams out there that could top that offer.

But like you said, it isn’t happening.

Only one that would be better would be the Lakers trading Jalen Hood-Schifino, Christian Koloko and a protected 1st.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I think you are acting like fit is a foregone conclusion.

Giannis has a unique skill set that doesn’t seamlessly fit into just any roster.

Honestly, I wouldn’t trade JDub straight up for Giannis if I were OKC.

Adding in Hart and whoever else they need to add makes it a non-starter.

Now, take JDub out? Make it IHart + every pick they control + other salary filler?

Then you do it.

And I am still not sure there are many other teams out there that could top that offer.

But like you said, it isn’t happening.

It doesn’t matter. OKC has shooters and SGA and Chet can spread the floor. Jalen is a nice fit but he doesn’t hold a candle to Giannis. You are putting too much emphasis on fit than talent in this situation. OKC has a ton of guards that can defend and shoot. You can even have some lineups where Giannis plays with a bunch of guards and defenders. The fit is perfectly fine.
You are adding a big that can that do everything at an elite level except shoot 3’s. They got plenty of shooters. Chet already plays off ball and can. You have two bigs than can a pick n roll with SGA or each other. It is scary to think about so I hope it doesn’t happen

 

[Shanemansj13]

It’s all the win now mentality, people don’t understand building a team and doing it your way no matter what. Sure if you have a real shot at something you take it, but I laugh at people that think Presti is going to trade a very possible superstar without seeing it out. Right or wrong that guy is going to see this through. Everyone will see what Jdub is 2 to 3 years from now, I have no doubt about that.

When did we ever say it would happen??? I already said exactly the opposite. It was a hypothetical from the start. The fact is Giannis makes them easiest the best team for the next 3-4 years barring a great team adding a superstar. These kind of situations are rare so if the opportunity is there you ABSOLUTELY do it. Never said it would happen or it is even likely. I think they keep the core together unless in 2-3 years they don’t have enough.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Why would the Bucks trade Giannis for a Hartenstein-centric package? They already have multiple centers. The Thunder's willingness to overpay him is not shared by the entire league.

He isn’t the center piece. Jalen is and picks. You have to match salaries. So say they did this next summer Hartenstein is basically on an expiring contract. You can keep for the extra year or trade him. You have more picks to add to Hart and possibly work a deal. The contract isn’t TERRIBLE in this scenario bc the 3rd year is a team option.

Giannis would be gone. Lopez has an expiring this year. Portis is a PF. The Hart-Portis fit isn’t bad but like I said, he isn’t the center piece. It’s Jdub + picks

 

[trojanfan12]

It’s all the win now mentality, people don’t understand building a team and doing it your way no matter what. Sure if you have a real shot at something you take it, but I laugh at people that think Presti is going to trade a very possible superstar without seeing it out. Right or wrong that guy is going to see this through. Everyone will see what Jdub is 2 to 3 years from now, I have no doubt about that.

There are risks either way.

If they can stay healthy and keep everyone happy...they could be looking at a Showtime Lakers/Stephs Warriors type run. On the other hand, they wouldn't be the first team we've seen injuries, egos, etc. ruin over the years.

If they trade for Giannis, it makes them instant odds on favorites but also cuts their potential run about in half...assuming Giannis fits and stays healthy.

Personally, I go for the longer potential run...but I understand the "push all your chips in now" logic too.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Let’s quit talking about this like it’s a deal the Thunder would make under any circumstances. They are not giving up Jdub for anyone.

You do realize the OP started the entire conversation

They have the assets right now to blow Milwaukee away w/ an offer for Giannis... (Granted they may need to wait for I-Hart's contract to become eligible in order to match salaries)

This is their world and the other 29 teams are just living in it.

 

[Shanemansj13]

There are risks either way.

If they can stay healthy and keep everyone happy...they could be looking at a Showtime Lakers/Stephs Warriors type run. On the other hand, they wouldn't be the first team we've seen injuries, egos, etc. ruin over the years.

If they trade for Giannis, it makes them instant odds on favorites but also cuts their potential run about in half...assuming Giannis fits and stays healthy.

Personally, I go for the longer potential run...but I understand the "push all your chips in now" logic too.

Shorter possible timeline but adding a superstar I think there is a greater chance of winning easily. Like you said, you never know with a young team, injuries, etc.

I did mention that Giannis could absolutely form into a 3rd option late in his career. He has a solid post game but that would be down the road.

 

[tlance]

It doesn’t matter. OKC has shooters and SGA and Chet can spread the floor. Jalen is a nice fit but he doesn’t hold a candle to Giannis. You are putting too much emphasis on fit than talent in this situation. OKC has a ton of guards that can defend and shoot. You can even have some lineups where Giannis plays with a bunch of guards and defenders. The fit is perfectly fine.
You are adding a big that can that do everything at an elite level except shoot 3’s. They got plenty of shooters. Chet already plays off ball and can. You have two bigs than can a pick n roll with SGA or each other. It is scary to think about so I hope it doesn’t happen

No, I don’t believe I am.

I think are underrating Jalen Williams

If he were on any other team, he would be completely untouchable.

Only reason he isn’t right now in the mind of the public is because he isn’t OKC’s best young player.

But that is a very high bar.

 

[thunderc]

No, I don’t believe I am.

I think are underrating Jalen Williams

If he were on any other team, he would be completely untouchable.

Only reason he isn’t right now in the mind of the public is because he isn’t OKC’s best young player.

But that is a very high bar.

I said this 2 years ago, JDub has the highest ceiling on the team. Yes that’s a very high bar, but I think it’s true.

 

[tlance]

I said this 2 years ago, JDub has the highest ceiling on the team. Yes that’s a very high bar, but I think it’s true.

I agree

 

[shopson67]

No, I don’t believe I am.

I think are underrating Jalen Williams

If he were on any other team, he would be completely untouchable.

Only reason he isn’t right now in the mind of the public is because he isn’t OKC’s best young player.

But that is a very high bar.

I think the trade is a non-starter regardless. I don't think Giannis is what that team needs. He's not a 5. If you're playing him at the 4, you're pushing Holmgren to the 5. Giannis at the 3? Doesn't feel right.

 

[tlance]

I think the trade is a non-starter regardless. I don't think Giannis is what that team needs. He's not a 5. If you're playing him at the 4, you're pushing Holmgren to the 5. Giannis at the 3? Doesn't feel right.

Giannis has been playing more 4 and 5 lateky

But I agree he isn’t what they need.

JDub is.

And let’s see what Hartenstein adds to this team. I think they are really close.