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BearsWillWin

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Yes that's Trubisky's pro bowl year and the best year he's ever had as a Bear. So where do we find one of those? In the draft? And how long would it take to develop that QB? And if that QB doesn't work out like it hasn't been working out the last 35 years we lose everyone of value with nothing in return. Or are you talking about Foles?

Where do we find a QB that can throw for 3200 yards with 24 TDs and 12 picks? We have 2 guys capable of that. The league is full of them.
This is NOT a great defense. The great defenses in the past carry offenses. This defense isn't even the best in the league. This is a good defense but not a defense that can carry an offense. You're talking about defenses that are among the best in the history of the league. Give me a break with this shit.
This defense had a quarter against New Orleans where NO started with the ball 3 times at midfield or better and the Bears gave up a grand total of 6 points in that time.

This defense might not be great. It's very good. Plenty food enough to win a SB with. In an era where teams consistently run the scores up this defense is giving up less than 21 points a game without their star NT the entire season.

It's not world beating...but it's very good.
Julius Peppers is a freak of nature. If he's the bar 99% falls flat. No, the argument for tanking is, the chances of finding a competent QB in the next 2 years is smaller than: Finding a competent QB in the next 2 years with likely a new coaching staff, likely new upper management, new offensive line and hoping guys like Mack, Hicks and Fuller don't regress, oh and we will likely need to fill ARob's position too. That's a lot of IFs. Only idiots would take that gamble. So it makes sense why you support it.
Khalil Mack isn't a freak of nature? Hicks isn't? You brought up age...now you wanna move the goal posts.

I see your argument and I ask again....name a team that tanked and then won a SB. Still waiting.
How far back in history are we going here? I don't know who Dog Williams is but Doug Williams is a hall of famer. McMahon, Dilfer and Johnson played with 3 of the best defenses in history. Please don't lump this defense we have here in that category. It's not even close. You should know better than that. You're so fucking old you should remember those defenses like it was yesterday.
Doug Williams is absolutely not in the NFL Hall of Fame.

You asked for teams that won without QBs. That's impossible. I gave you teams that won without stars at QB. And once again...you want to move the goalposts.

The Bears defense, the one they have right now, is good enough to win a Super Bowl. Right now.
Yes because i literally meant "magic" you ass clown. Just like i literally mean "trade everyone away now" even though the trade deadline has has passed. Can you try to think a little deeper?

It's not just the QB position we have to fill to be offensively competitive. See above grey pubes.
If you were capable of staying on track in a discussion it would give you a lot more credibility.

Name a team that tanked and won a SB. Got one yet?
I love how you say: Find me a team that has tanked and won the superbowl. But your reasoning for not tanking is because we were competitive with Trubisky a couple years ago. So i have to come up with a superbowl winner but all you have to do to justify your position is, just be competitive. Are you this dense?
You want them to tank in order to be successful. So name a team that's done that. Success is defined as winning a championship...is it not?

By reasoning for not tanking is because tanking isn't a viable strategy in this league. It's not been proven to work. What has been proven to work is acquiring talent and using that talent. Teams that let good players go typically don't do well. Furthermore.....you don't have to tank to find a QB. The notion that you either tank or the QB position will continue to suck is not based in fact. Nor is the notion that having a high draft pick equals getting a good QB.
All I'm saying is, the writing is on the wall. We're not going to find a QB in the next two years and fix the oline and find a new WR1, all this with new coaching, new system, new upper management. The window is closed. It's best for this organization to come to grips with that reality sooner than later. Why is this so hard to understand? Bunch of idiots on this board.
What window is closed? Who decided is was closed? You? Who are you?
 

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Where do we find a QB that can throw for 3200 yards with 24 TDs and 12 picks? We have 2 guys capable of that. The league is full of them.

Oh so. You are saying we can win the Superbowl with Trubisky or Foles? Or just that we can be competitive with them? You HATED Trubisky before the season started. And you definitely didn't like Foles. But correct me if i'm wrong here. I get all you clowns mixed up.

This defense had a quarter against New Orleans where NO started with the ball 3 times at midfield or better and the Bears gave up a grand total of 6 points in that time.

Who gives a flying shit about a single fucking quarter?????? That proves nothing. This defense isn't even the best in the NFL. They are 7th in points allowed, 14th in rushing yards/game, and 12th in passing yards/game. NO's is dead on average offense too with no Michael Thomas at the time.

WTF is wrong with you. You've gone senile.

This defense might not be great. It's very good. Plenty food enough to win a SB with. In an era where teams consistently run the scores up this defense is giving up less than 21 points a game without their star NT the entire season.

It's not world beating...but it's very good.

I said they were good. But to even bring up the 85 Bears defense, that TB defense or that Baltimore defense and somehow this defense is in the same stratosphere as those defenses is utterly absurd. Our defense right now is 23rd in the league in sacks. WTF are you seeing. You must be one of the retards who think Quinn is having a solid year too.

Khalil Mack isn't a freak of nature? Hicks isn't? You brought up age...now you wanna move the goal posts.

Mack is a freak, Hicks is not. That's all you got? The other stuff just ignore?

I am going with the odds. Historically players tend to decline in their 30s. But if you want to go against the grain because Mack is a freak, well that's just stupid. Hicks is already showing signs aging as injuries are mounting.

I see your argument and I ask again....name a team that tanked and then won a SB. Still waiting.

Who said anything about tanking guarantees a SB? Point to me saying that. I said tanking and going for higher draft picks and getting something while we can for our players gives us the best odds. Now, you still have to draft well but the point is i'm giving this organization the best odds.

And btw the Colts tanked to get Andrew Luck. Just because they couldn't surround him with enough talent to win the superbowl doesn't mean it wasn't the right move. I'd take my chances with Luck than w/out.

Doug Williams is absolutely not in the NFL Hall of Fame.

Corrected. He was before my time. But from everything i read he's head and shoulders better than Trubisky or Foles.

You asked for teams that won without QBs. That's impossible. I gave you teams that won without stars at QB. And once again...you want to move the goalposts.

Right and those teams you mentioned had STELLAR best in history type of defenses. Which we DO NOT. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

The Bears defense, the one they have right now, is good enough to win a Super Bowl. Right now.

Says who? You? Who are you?

I don't totally disagree with you here but no way do we have an offense or a QB that's good enough, and that is the point.

You want them to tank in order to be successful. So name a team that's done that. Success is defined as winning a championship...is it not?

Name a team that has an offense as shitty as ours and a QB as shitty as ours and then were able to completely turn that around in 1 year, while getting a new coaching staff, new system, new upper management.

By reasoning for not tanking is because tanking isn't a viable strategy in this league. It's not been proven to work. What has been proven to work is acquiring talent and using that talent. Teams that let good players go typically don't do well. Furthermore.....you don't have to tank to find a QB. The notion that you either tank or the QB position will continue to suck is not based in fact. Nor is the notion that having a high draft pick equals getting a good QB.

Indy tanked to get Andrew Luck. Yes Luck didn't win the SB but that doesn't mean what they did was bad strategy.

I want to tank for higher draft picks. I want to trade our players away for higher draft picks because picks are like gold nuggets in the NFL. And a higher pick is generally better than a lower pick. Yes yes i know grey pubes, it's not a guarantee. But generally GM's prefer higher picks than lower picks for a reason.

What window is closed? Who decided is was closed? You? Who are you?

It's common sense. We won't win this year and this offense is not a year away from turning it around under completely new management.
 

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LOL...That reads like you're challenging me to a retard-talking battle.

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Oh so. You are saying we can win the Superbowl with Trubisky or Foles? Or just that we can be competitive with them? You HATED Trubisky before the season started. And you definitely didn't like Foles. But correct me if i'm wrong here. I get all you clowns mixed up.

I don't like either of them. You mentioned Mitch from 2018. We can win a SB with a QB that performs on that level...which is completely average at best.
Who gives a flying shit about a single fucking quarter?????? That proves nothing. This defense isn't even the best in the NFL. They are 7th in points allowed, 14th in rushing yards/game, and 12th in passing yards/game. NO's is dead on average offense too with no Michael Thomas at the time.

WTF is wrong with you. You've gone senile.
7th in points allowed.....is good enough to win a Super Bowl.
I said they were good. But to even bring up the 85 Bears defense, that TB defense or that Baltimore defense and somehow this defense is in the same stratosphere as those defenses is utterly absurd. Our defense right now is 23rd in the league in sacks. WTF are you seeing. You must be one of the retards who think Quinn is having a solid year too.
I wasn't comparing them to those defenses. I brought up teams that won with average or worse QBs.
Mack is a freak, Hicks is not. That's all you got? The other stuff just ignore?

I am going with the odds. Historically players tend to decline in their 30s. But if you want to go against the grain because Mack is a freak, well that's just stupid. Hicks is already showing signs aging as injuries are mounting.
Hicks is a massive human being that has unnatural quickness for his size.

Historically teams that tank don't win Superbowls. I can go with the odds as well.
Who said anything about tanking guarantees a SB? Point to me saying that. I said tanking and going for higher draft picks and getting something while we can for our players gives us the best odds. Now, you still have to draft well but the point is i'm giving this organization the best odds.

And btw the Colts tanked to get Andrew Luck. Just because they couldn't surround him with enough talent to win the superbowl doesn't mean it wasn't the right move. I'd take my chances with Luck than w/out.
And now the Colts have Phillip Rivers.....so whats the point? We should tank, get our QB hurt a lot, then sign a guy on the verge of retirement?
Corrected. He was before my time. But from everything i read he's head and shoulders better than Trubisky or Foles.
100 career touchdowns versus 93 INTs and a completion percentage below 50. Different era...but still. If anything he was his era's Foles because he won a SB on a team he didn't begin the year as the starter for. If not for that SB...no one knows who Williams is.
Right and those teams you mentioned had STELLAR best in history type of defenses. Which we DO NOT. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
Yet we have a defense that has proven it's good enough for us to win games even when the offense sucks.

Improve the offense even a little...to middle of the pack....and this defense is most definitely good enough to be Super.
Says who? You? Who are you?

I don't totally disagree with you here but no way do we have an offense or a QB that's good enough, and that is the point.
Agree but no one way do we need to tank to improve the offense.
Name a team that has an offense as shitty as ours and a QB as shitty as ours and then were able to completely turn that around in 1 year, while getting a new coaching staff, new system, new upper management.
2012 Bears to 2013 Bears.

Went from bottom half of the league offense to #2 in scoring in one season with a new coaching staff after Phil Emery cleaned house.

Team still sucked but this fulfills your ask based on criteria.
Indy tanked to get Andrew Luck. Yes Luck didn't win the SB but that doesn't mean what they did was bad strategy.

I want to tank for higher draft picks. I want to trade our players away for higher draft picks because picks are like gold nuggets in the NFL. And a higher pick is generally better than a lower pick. Yes yes i know grey pubes, it's not a guarantee. But generally GM's prefer higher picks than lower picks for a reason.
You're repeating yourself.
It's common sense. We won't win this year and this offense is not a year away from turning it around under completely new management.
You have no idea how far the offense is or isn't.


Also I'd like to note that chatter around the league right now is saying that Ryan Pace won't be terminated at season's end. He's likely safe.

So you're making baseless assumptions.
 

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It basically comes down to one question. Can this offense be elevated from being at the bottom to average. I think we need to be above average because this defense though being good is not great.

Grey pubes says yes they can and I say no. If grey pubes is wrong, we lose lot of players and get very little n return back and this organization is likely screwed for the next 4 years. I say start the rebuilding process now.

I don't like either of them. You mentioned Mitch from 2018. We can win a SB with a QB that performs on that level...which is completely average at best.

If all we need is an average at best QB then why don't you like Foles or Trubisky? Afterall you did say we already have 2 guys capable of being average at the QB position:

"we have 2 guys capable of that."
 

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1) Sure.

2) I'd much rather a HC/GM with a plan than "almost anyone"

3) Tell me who can afford his 26 and change mil cap hit in 2021 and 27 and change mil cap hit in 2022 AND want to give up draft capital for him? Think the bears are stuck with fifty-deuce. That's not a bad thing.

4 - 6) You're probably not getting more than a mid-round pick for Hicks. I think you can get a late 1st or a package including a 2nd and 3rd/4th for Fuller. You may have to let ARob walk, but if a team calls, tag and trade--even though you may not get a great return.

7) Yes. I'd rather the new staff know how to use him. Don't try to make him the next Kittle/Gronk when he's more of a Kyle Rudolph (again, not a bad thing).

8) Yes, please.

9) Yeah you can't cut either of them. Too much money owed and you'd create more holes with fewer resources to plug them up. Next year's offseason you can easily. I would like to see another developmental late-round LB pick and more James Vaughters/Trevis Gipson (the guy Pace had to trade up for with a division rival to get this past April). You may not have anything special but then you'll know how much you need edge come 2022.

10) Yes, please.

11) Uhhhh....no. Draft a QB mid-rounds like Mond/Purdy/one of the Georgia kids. Because of the money owed to the genius in Pace, you're stuck with Foles. Bray sucks (and is a Nagy guy--meaning new HC/OC probably won't have use for him).

12) Tank for what? Trevor Lawrence is the prize next April. Who's the prize of 2022? Also--with a new coach, I'd like to see continuity with new, young OL and building toward some kind of identity--like a run game. That doesn't equate to 'tank' if/when the offense can move the ball a lot less painful than they do under Nagy. Get better at something you weren't which is why you had to make changes at HC/OC/GM...
 

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Still waiting for someone to name a team that won the Lombardi without a QB. This franchise has been looking for one for 35 years. To assume we'll find one magically in the next 2 years is tomfoolery.

Trent Dilfer? Brad Johnson?

And the bears may not find a QB in the next 2 years, but I'd rather the bears not half-ass/put the cart before the horse and pair the guy of the future with a new coach. Don't have him learn 2 playbooks in 2 years.

It may not work, but when you see GB sit Rodgers behind Favre with the same coach (at the time, Slimer from Ghostbusters/McCarthy). They did the same with Brian Brohm and Deshone Kizer. They're doing it again with the Love kid from Utah State.

No guarantee it will work but credit to GB for putting the drafted kid in a position to succeed. That means A-- protecting him with a real left tackle/OLine and B--having a simplified playbook.
 

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Trent Dilfer? Brad Johnson?

And the bears may not find a QB in the next 2 years, but I'd rather the bears not half-ass/put the cart before the horse and pair the guy of the future with a new coach. Don't have him learn 2 playbooks in 2 years.

It may not work, but when you see GB sit Rodgers behind Favre with the same coach (at the time, Slimer from Ghostbusters/McCarthy). They did the same with Brian Brohm and Deshone Kizer. They're doing it again with the Love kid from Utah State.

No guarantee it will work but credit to GB for putting the drafted kid in a position to succeed. That means A-- protecting him with a real left tackle/OLine and B--having a simplified playbook.

You win the award for back to back dumbest post of the month.
 

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You win the award for back to back dumbest post of the month.

Nothing like unsubstantiated criticism from the guy posters on the board have called a 'retard' numerous times this thread alone.

You must be the life of parties there, genius
 
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