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Jordan was the best defender at his position you can argue that a lot of guys better than lebron

No, not really. The only ones that are in Lebron's class are possibly PG and Iguodala. Leonard is really good but still young. Ariza is also a pretty good defender as well.
 

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No, not really. The only ones that are in Lebron's class are possibly PG and Iguodala. Leonard is really good but still young. Ariza is also a pretty good defender as well.

You left off Melo :lol:
 

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No, not really. The only ones that are in Lebron's class are possibly PG and Iguodala. Leonard is really good but still young. Ariza is also a pretty good defender as well.

Lebron did not defend that well last year. Iggy has arguably been the best last 2 years
 

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Yeah Lebron defense was horrible. Tremendous drop off from his first 3 years in Miami
 

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Lebron did not defend that well last year. Iggy has arguably been the best last 2 years

2013/2014 season
LeBron all defense 2nd team
AI all defense 1st team

2012/2013
LeBron all defense 1st team
AI did not make either team

2011/2012
LeBron all defense 1st team
AI did not make either team

2010/2011
LeBron all defense 1st team
AI all defense 2nd team

2009/2010
LeBron all defense 1st team
AI did not make either team

2008/2009
LeBron all defense 1st team
AI did not make either team




hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
 

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LeBron all defense 2nd team
AI all defense 1st team

2012/2013
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AI did not make either team

2011/2012
LeBron all defense 1st team
AI did not make either team

2010/2011
LeBron all defense 1st team
AI all defense 2nd team

2009/2010
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2008/2009
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

If you're basing your judgement of players based on what the media tells you then you really don't know basketball. Iggy offense isn't great but he's one of the best man to man defenders in the league. Unfortunately the all defense team doesn't usually reward those guys. They look for the guys with the most steals & blocks because they think that's the only thing that makes you a good defender
 

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This was the lowest defensive win shares by Lebron of his career.....Lowest since his rookie year
 

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LeBron all defense 2nd team
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2012/2013
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AI did not make either team

2011/2012
LeBron all defense 1st team
AI did not make either team

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AI all defense 2nd team

2009/2010
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

Ok..?!?! Some guys just get on there cause of reputation. That's why lebron got on. If he watched games this year lebron didn't defend like an all nba defender
 

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If you're basing your judgement of players based on what the media tells you then you really don't know basketball. Iggy offense isn't great but he's one of the best man to man defenders in the league. Unfortunately the all defense team doesn't usually reward those guys. They look for the guys with the most steals & blocks because they think that's the only thing that makes you a good defender

being on a team voted by the media is certainly not a definitive statement on a players talent

but when there is such a high disparity that is a pretty loud statement. Where there is smoke there is usually fire.

last year Iguadala probably was a better defender than James though- i would agree with you- but overall- especially when LeBron is focused in - LeBron is probably the best non-rim defender, defender,in hte league
 

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being on a team voted by the media is certainly not a definitive statement on a players talent

but when there is such a high disparity that is a pretty loud statement. Where there is smoke there is usually fire.

last year Iguadala probably was a better defender than James though- i would agree with you- but overall- especially when LeBron is focused in - LeBron is probably the best non-rim defender, defender,in hte league

But was he focused in at all times?
 

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But was he focused in at all times?


His focus has lessened greatly, the last couple years during the regular season.

Maybe the change of scenery and microscope that will be on the Cavs might refocus him, but I doubt it long term.
 

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He probably is top 5. SG is really weak right now.

My top 5 in no particuliar order

Wade
Kobe
Harden
DeRozan
Klay/Beal

El Contusion will be overlooked all the way to the Hall of Fame.

Even at advanced years, Manu Ginobili is the guy who gets the ball in the clutch, plays good defense, and still chips in good numbers at reduced minutes.

12/4/3 in only 22 minutes while shooting 47% and racking up a surprisingly high win shares for limited minutes. He really impacts in the WS/48 minutes.

He crushes a lot of those guys in advanced metrics even at an advanced age.
 

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being on a team voted by the media is certainly not a definitive statement on a players talent

but when there is such a high disparity that is a pretty loud statement. Where there is smoke there is usually fire.

last year Iguadala probably was a better defender than James though- i would agree with you- but overall- especially when LeBron is focused in - LeBron is probably the best non-rim defender, defender,in hte league

lol focused in..
 

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El Contusion will be overlooked all the way to the Hall of Fame.

Even at advanced years, Manu Ginobili is the guy who gets the ball in the clutch, plays good defense, and still chips in good numbers at reduced minutes.

12/4/3 in only 22 minutes while shooting 47% and racking up a surprisingly high win shares for limited minutes. He really impacts in the WS/48 minutes.

He crushes a lot of those guys in advanced metrics even at an advanced age.

Yup
 

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last year it def didnt seem like it...to be honest he seemed kinda pissed at times last year that he had to carry so much of the load

I really buy that "focused" crap you're either a consistent good defender or you're not.
 
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