Official Mariners arm-chair GM offseason thread 2018-2019

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2018-19 International Prospects Rumors - MLB Trade Rumors

Non-tender players worthy of MLB rosters

 

[ulmax]

ohhh my goodness...poor little ol yankee's...

https://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/yankees-in-danger-of-decade-without-world-series-101018

 

[ulmax]

It was more than just Seattle for why they left. It was because every single person who didn’t care about sports is why they left. The Seahawks and Mariners both should be in different cities if not for essentially illegal political moves. Women sports fans fought for the Storm, male sports fans didn’t fight for the Sonics until it was too late.

a mariners song.........lol

to depoto

 

[ulmax]

to all the SportsHoopla posters

 

[ulmax]

one more to never forget

 

[ulmax]

possible mariners lineup without cruz...and i know some people dont like gordan...but he is still a good player
and more players than him tanked..to not make the playoffs...

so ya take a 1 in 3 chance or 1 in 4 and go with it...and really it is not the offence..that is the problem
it is the pitching...which still must be fixed
but here is how the lineup may look

gordon..cf...........lhh
seura...ss
cano....2b/1b/dh......lhh
haniger....rf
vogelbach..dh/1b.......lhh
healy........1b
seager........3b.........lhh
zunino..........C
gamel............lf.........lhh

bench
herrmann....c......lhh
.....................................i like a trade for solarte(toronto) for here.....but who knows
span..........lf/dh....lhh..as insurance for OF.. and voggy works for me
heredia.......of

 

[ulmax]

if span is to much money then they will have to get a young pitcher to fill the rotation

instead of eovaldi..or another free agent..which would fit in the overall youth movement..prob trade as well

but if you think eovaldi is not ..the one..check this out

Nathan Eovaldi touches 101 mph in second straight postseason gem

 

[SeattleCoug]

possible mariners lineup without cruz...and i know some people dont like gordan...but he is still a good player

The Facts are Gordon is not a CF and not a leadoff hitter. The real question of the offseason is who stays between Gordon and Segura. Those two obviously hate each other and it boiled over so one of them is leaving. Seems like they are gonna pin the issue on Segura since he will be easier to move but the reality is he is the better the player.

Regardless if Gordon stays and he's the SS and Cano is at 2nd, I can live that provided Gordon hits at the bottom of the order. Problem is you also need Seagar and Zunino at the bottom of the order. Like the rotation where they have the #4 and #5 starters covered with a bunch of mediocre pitchers, they also have the bottom of the order covered with mediocre hitters.

 

[ulmax]

chose free agentsy
Mariners: RHP Christian Bergman, LHP Ross Detwiler, RHP Mike Morin, INF Zach Vincej

Rays: INF Brandon Snyder, RHP Ryan Weber

weber is a good pitcher...to have as your fifth guy

Pitcher Spotlight: Kyle Gibson and Robert Stephenson | FanGraphs Fantasy Baseball

 

[ulmax]

The Facts are Gordon is not a CF and not a leadoff hitter. The real question of the offseason is who stays between Gordon and Segura. Those two obviously hate each other and it boiled over so one of them is leaving. Seems like they are gonna pin the issue on Segura since he will be easier to move but the reality is he is the better the player.

Regardless if Gordon stays and he's the SS and Cano is at 2nd, I can live that provided Gordon hits at the bottom of the order. Problem is you also need Seagar and Zunino at the bottom of the order. Like the rotation where they have the #4 and #5 starters covered with a bunch of mediocre pitchers, they also have the bottom of the order covered with mediocre hitters.

i have not looked for possible trades for segura or gordan...cuz i would rather keep them both

but let's see

if he started at tacoma...i think he could be a mlb...soon or by july...eovaldi did it
David Phelps on Tommy John, free agency, 2019

 

[SeattleCoug]

If there’s anyone out there on the fence about Servais just show them this stat. He let that lead off for 4+ months

 

[NWinAZ]

5 Payroll Savings Trade Ideas From sodomojo.com:

1- Boston receives – 2B Dee Gordon
Seattle receives – 3B Danny Diaz (17 years old, #11 prospect), RHP Kutter Crawford(22 years old, #18 prospect), 1B Pedro Castellanos (20 years old, #30 prospect)
The Mariners would get back a young third base prospect and a pitcher with a back-end starter upside. Diaz currently has a bat that is ahead of his age. He has recently moved to third from short, which will be his position going forward as he gains muscle and puts on weight.

Castellanos would be a nice piece with the upside of solving a long-standing problem at first base. The Mariners did give up higher ranked prospects to get Gordon but also received $1 million in international money.

Something like this would likely be the deal that could be made for Dee Gordon. It would be a big step in multiple areas. The team would get good young players, all with different arrival windows. Asking for three prospects may be a little much, but if Boston wants to continue to improve, this would be the way to do it.

Savings – $40.5 million over three years, $13 million in 2019

2- Atlanta receives – 3B Kyle Seager
Seattle receives – OF Cristian Pache (19 years old, #6 prospect), LHP Tucker Davidson (22 years old, #24 prospect)
With a hole in the center, the Mariners could decide to keep Denard Span around for another year or two while Pache matures. Already an incredible defender, Pache shows a plus arm and plus speed and is still a teenager. Davidson is another in a long line of great Braves pitching prospects. Atlanta has a plethora of pitchers, and the Mariners could look to snag one in this trade.

In High A ball over 2018, Davidson struggled a bit, with an E.R.A. over four. He does show promise with his three pitches and would be a nice get for the Mariners, as he isn’t that far away from pitching in the majors.

Savings – $71 million over four years, $19 million in 2019

3- San Francisco receives – RHP Mike Leake
Seattle receives – RHP Juan De Paula (21 years old, #18 prospect)
The Giants have a glut of right-handed pitchers in their minor league system. Melvin Adon, Jake Wong, or Jordan Johnson; among others, could take the place of De Paula in a trade. Seattle should go for De Paula though. He looks to have room to grow still and gain speed and movement on his fastball. If he does, he could turn into a number two or three in the rotation.

Savings – $31 million over two years, $49 million over three years if option is agreed to, $16 million in 2019


4- Pittsburgh receives – SS Jean Segura
Seattle receives – OF Bryan Reynolds (23 years old, #8 prospect), 2B/SS Stephen Alemais (23 years old, #18 prospect), LHP Domingo Robles (20 years old, #28 prospect)
In trading Segura, the Mariners would be able to get two near ready prospects who could help them sooner rather than later. Both players could arguably jump right in, and likely would if all of the trades listed were made. Reynolds shows a good feel from both sides of the plate as a switch-hitter and can play all three outfield positions. He has improved his plate discipline and looks ready for a chance at the next level.

Alemais could take over for Segura, leaving Cano to play second for Seattle. He has a good glove and good hands, with a strong enough arm to play short. His speed is the main part of his offensive game, although he occasionally tries to power up, usually leading to poor results. Robles is a young lefty with a good setup for someone so young. He commands his pitches well, likely from his ability to repeat his delivery.

If Seattle were to send out Segura, they should expect a nice haul back in return. Getting a couple of players that are major league ready would help ease the pain of seeing one of the team’s best players leave. A high potential young lefty would help as well.

Savings – $74 million over five years, $14.25 million in 2019


5- Philadelphia receives – RHP Felix Hernandez, pays $6 million of $9 million remaining salary
Seattle receives – LHP Jhordany Mezquita (20 years old, #26 prospect)
Seattle would get a young lefty from the Phillies in Mezquita. He would start the 2019 season at age 21, and likely be three to four years away from the big league level. He has the end of rotation ability and sits in the low 90’s. Getting the 16th ranked pitcher in the Phillies system would be a reasonable get for Felix Hernandez, and save the team around $3 million dollars. (This trade is different than the others, in that it wouldn’t happen until near the deadline of July 31st. His outgoing salary would be prorated to around $9 million. The Mariners could likely get a low tier pitching prospect in return. It wouldn’t help clear payroll this off-season, but it would help the team out still. The trade would look like this.)

Savings – around $3 million dollars

Total Amount of money saved – $65.25 million in 2019, $61.75 in 2020, $64.25 in 2021, $29.25 in 2022, $17 in 2023. $237.5 million overall saved.

 

[Duders]

I'm not sure why so many are dishing on Gordan??? He had the 4th best AVG out of the pretty much everyday players. Segura was top @ .304 with 586 at bats and 20 Stolen bases and 17 errors
Cano @ .303 with 310 at bats
Haniger @ .285 with 170 at bats
Gordan @ .268 with 556 at bats and 30 swiped bags and 15 errors and 3rd in assists
Now compare Dee to:
Healy @ .235 with 493 at bats and 8 errors
and Seager @ .221 with 583 at bats and 14 errors

Gamel was .272 with 101 at bats
and Span was .272 with 94 at bats.
Seems to me that Gordan offers great energy in the dugout/clubhouse,(except for Segura-lol), he messes with pitchers heads when he gets on base and is tops in stealing bases. I think he got a bad wrap cuz the inexperienced Servais had him in the lead off spot far too long and was bounced between 2nd and center.

 

[ulmax]

done...do it...lol

5- Philadelphia receives – RHP Felix Hernandez, pays $6 million of $9 million remaining salary
Seattle receives – LHP Jhordany Mezquita (20 years old, #26 prospect)
Seattle would get a young lefty from the Phillies in Mezquita. He would start the 2019 season at age 21, and likely be three to four years away from the big league level. He has the end of rotation ability and sits in the low 90’s. Getting the 16th ranked pitcher in the Phillies system would be a reasonable get for Felix Hernandez, and save the team around $3 million dollars. (This trade is different than the others, in that it wouldn’t happen until near the deadline of July 31st. His outgoing salary would be prorated to around $9 million. The Mariners could likely get a low tier pitching prospect in return. It wouldn’t help clear payroll this off-season, but it would help the team out still. The trade would look like this.)



this is interesting



2- Atlanta receives – 3B Kyle Seager
Seattle receives – OF Cristian Pache (19 years old, #6 prospect), LHP Tucker Davidson (22 years old, #24 prospect)
With a hole in the center, the Mariners could decide to keep Denard Span around for another year or two while Pache matures. Already an incredible defender, Pache shows a plus arm and plus speed and is still a teenager. Davidson is another in a long line of great Braves pitching prospects. Atlanta has a plethora of pitchers, and the Mariners could look to snag one in this trade.

 

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ok on this one

attle receives – OF Bryan Reynolds (23 years old, #8 prospect), 2B/SS Stephen Alemais (23 years old, #18 prospect), LHP Domingo Robles (20 years old, #28 prospect)
In trading Segura, the Mariners would be able to get two near ready prospects who could help them sooner rather than later. Both players could arguably jump right in, and likely would if all of the trades listed were made. Reynolds shows a good feel from both sides of the plate as a switch-hitter and can play all three outfield positions. He has improved his plate discipline and looks ready for a chance at the next level.

Alemais could take over for Segura, leaving Cano to play second for Seattle. He has a good glove and good hands, with a strong enough arm to play short. His speed is the main part of his offensive game, although he occasionally tries to power up, usually leading to poor results. Robles is a young lefty with a good setup for someone so young. He commands his pitches well, likely from his ability to repeat his delivery.

If Seattle were to send out Segura, they should expect a nice haul back in return. Getting a couple of players that are major league ready would help ease the pain of seeing one of the team’s best players leave. A high potential young lefty would help as well.


no on... mike leake...and dee gordan

low balling only works...till i solve the problems

 

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with the exception of changeing the pitcher to

MiLB.com
THE OFFICIAL SITE OF MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL

Cam Vieaux 43 P
Altoona Curve

• Double-A | Eastern League
• MLB Parent Club: Pittsburgh Pirates

• Status: Active
• Full Name: Cameron Scott Vieaux
• Age: 24 (December 5, 1993)
• Birthplace: Novi, MI
• Bats/Throws: L/L Ht: 6' 4" Wt: 200
• Draft: Round 6 (2016, PIT)
• School: Michigan State

 

[wazzu31]

The Facts are Gordon is not a CF and not a leadoff hitter. The real question of the offseason is who stays between Gordon and Segura. Those two obviously hate each other and it boiled over so one of them is leaving. Seems like they are gonna pin the issue on Segura since he will be easier to move but the reality is he is the better the player.

Regardless if Gordon stays and he's the SS and Cano is at 2nd, I can live that provided Gordon hits at the bottom of the order. Problem is you also need Seagar and Zunino at the bottom of the order. Like the rotation where they have the #4 and #5 starters covered with a bunch of mediocre pitchers, they also have the bottom of the order covered with mediocre hitters.

They had some baseball guy, I think something Miller or something, on air the other day and sounds like Segura is going to be the odd man out. So whatever the happened it seems to have caused a big enough issue that they’d be willing to let go of a guy they just gave a massive contract to and spent however many hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to get him to the AS game.

 

[wazzu31]

5 Payroll Savings Trade Ideas From sodomojo.com:

1- Boston receives – 2B Dee Gordon
Seattle receives – 3B Danny Diaz (17 years old, #11 prospect), RHP Kutter Crawford(22 years old, #18 prospect), 1B Pedro Castellanos (20 years old, #30 prospect)
The Mariners would get back a young third base prospect and a pitcher with a back-end starter upside. Diaz currently has a bat that is ahead of his age. He has recently moved to third from short, which will be his position going forward as he gains muscle and puts on weight.

Castellanos would be a nice piece with the upside of solving a long-standing problem at first base. The Mariners did give up higher ranked prospects to get Gordon but also received $1 million in international money.

Something like this would likely be the deal that could be made for Dee Gordon. It would be a big step in multiple areas. The team would get good young players, all with different arrival windows. Asking for three prospects may be a little much, but if Boston wants to continue to improve, this would be the way to do it.

Savings – $40.5 million over three years, $13 million in 2019

2- Atlanta receives – 3B Kyle Seager
Seattle receives – OF Cristian Pache (19 years old, #6 prospect), LHP Tucker Davidson (22 years old, #24 prospect)
With a hole in the center, the Mariners could decide to keep Denard Span around for another year or two while Pache matures. Already an incredible defender, Pache shows a plus arm and plus speed and is still a teenager. Davidson is another in a long line of great Braves pitching prospects. Atlanta has a plethora of pitchers, and the Mariners could look to snag one in this trade.

In High A ball over 2018, Davidson struggled a bit, with an E.R.A. over four. He does show promise with his three pitches and would be a nice get for the Mariners, as he isn’t that far away from pitching in the majors.

Savings – $71 million over four years, $19 million in 2019

3- San Francisco receives – RHP Mike Leake
Seattle receives – RHP Juan De Paula (21 years old, #18 prospect)
The Giants have a glut of right-handed pitchers in their minor league system. Melvin Adon, Jake Wong, or Jordan Johnson; among others, could take the place of De Paula in a trade. Seattle should go for De Paula though. He looks to have room to grow still and gain speed and movement on his fastball. If he does, he could turn into a number two or three in the rotation.

Savings – $31 million over two years, $49 million over three years if option is agreed to, $16 million in 2019


4- Pittsburgh receives – SS Jean Segura
Seattle receives – OF Bryan Reynolds (23 years old, #8 prospect), 2B/SS Stephen Alemais (23 years old, #18 prospect), LHP Domingo Robles (20 years old, #28 prospect)
In trading Segura, the Mariners would be able to get two near ready prospects who could help them sooner rather than later. Both players could arguably jump right in, and likely would if all of the trades listed were made. Reynolds shows a good feel from both sides of the plate as a switch-hitter and can play all three outfield positions. He has improved his plate discipline and looks ready for a chance at the next level.

Alemais could take over for Segura, leaving Cano to play second for Seattle. He has a good glove and good hands, with a strong enough arm to play short. His speed is the main part of his offensive game, although he occasionally tries to power up, usually leading to poor results. Robles is a young lefty with a good setup for someone so young. He commands his pitches well, likely from his ability to repeat his delivery.

If Seattle were to send out Segura, they should expect a nice haul back in return. Getting a couple of players that are major league ready would help ease the pain of seeing one of the team’s best players leave. A high potential young lefty would help as well.

Savings – $74 million over five years, $14.25 million in 2019


5- Philadelphia receives – RHP Felix Hernandez, pays $6 million of $9 million remaining salary
Seattle receives – LHP Jhordany Mezquita (20 years old, #26 prospect)
Seattle would get a young lefty from the Phillies in Mezquita. He would start the 2019 season at age 21, and likely be three to four years away from the big league level. He has the end of rotation ability and sits in the low 90’s. Getting the 16th ranked pitcher in the Phillies system would be a reasonable get for Felix Hernandez, and save the team around $3 million dollars. (This trade is different than the others, in that it wouldn’t happen until near the deadline of July 31st. His outgoing salary would be prorated to around $9 million. The Mariners could likely get a low tier pitching prospect in return. It wouldn’t help clear payroll this off-season, but it would help the team out still. The trade would look like this.)

Savings – around $3 million dollars

Total Amount of money saved – $65.25 million in 2019, $61.75 in 2020, $64.25 in 2021, $29.25 in 2022, $17 in 2023. $237.5 million overall saved.

If Jerry could do that, I’d be willing to step back from my he needs to be fired ASAP to giving him the next deadline. But as we have all found out he doesn’t do things that any other person thinks.

 

[cezero]

i honestly didn't follow the team at all this past season, but all i see is dipoto selling poop for more poop and the m's goon owners paying their mouthpieces at the times and other "media" outlets to make the poop sound like platinum.

wash, rinse, and repeat for at least another decade unless there's new ownership, which won't happen.

meanwhile, at least one other 100% poop team in the AL will start rebuilding the right way, and contend within the next few years.

 

[ulmax]

if im looking for prospect a lhp at AA level...is one thing im looking for
byron reynolds and stephen alemais would seem to work..as long as they would be ready for AAA
but
domingo robles is not what the mariners really need in the position they need it...at this time.... so a different player
would have to be traded..hopefully

pache and davidson would work...added to the segura trade..would really help the high minors
..but..not really do anything..for the mariner's mlb club..so they woul have to get free agents then

seattle does not really need prospects lower than modesto lvl.....really they are good there