Official 2025 Draft Talk Thread

[JMR]

Penny was bad luck. He was very effective when he played and he had no history of injuries. But he just couldn't stay healthy.

Yeah, concur. He was the best of the bad 1st/2nd rounders because on occasion at least he showed the talent that go him drafted that early. Larger point is unchanged, however.

 

[MrS]

No problem at all having philosophical differences. But if you hit on 8 of 9 picks in the first 2 rounds over the course of 3 NFL drafts, that's success no matter your philosophy. It's also a marked improvement from picks wasted on Dee Eskridge, Malik McDowell, Rashaad Penny, LJ Collier, etc.

A pick can be a good player, but it can still be a bad pick for the team at that time.
I know i harp on this, but witherspoon was a bad pick for a team that had a massive hole at DT with a potential generational talent available.
I dont think schneiders team building philosophy is a good one, its very flawed.
which is why i dont expect OL in round one.

 

[flyerhawk]

A pick can be a good player, but it can still be a bad pick for the team at that time.
I know i harp on this, but witherspoon was a bad pick for a team that had a massive hole at DT with a potential generational talent available.
I dont think schneiders team building philosophy is a good one, its very flawed.
which is why i dont expect OL in round one.

It's pretty clear that his draft strategy for the last 3 drafts has been BPA at positions of need.

You can't dismiss the picks you like by saying they were "no brainers" and then say that the picks you didn't like were due to philosophical differences. You also can't solely draft linemen in the 1st 2 days of the draft.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

A pick can be a good player, but it can still be a bad pick for the team at that time.
I know i harp on this, but witherspoon was a bad pick for a team that had a massive hole at DT with a potential generational talent available.
I dont think schneiders team building philosophy is a good one, its very flawed.
which is why i dont expect OL in round one.

There has been no generational talent at DT since Aaron Donald, the fact your labeling any of them as generational talent is just an example of how your biases twist your judgement on the topic of DT.

 

[MrS]

It's pretty clear that his draft strategy for the last 3 drafts has been BPA at positions of need.

You can't dismiss the picks you like by saying they were "no brainers" and then say that the picks you didn't like were due to philosophical differences.

You and I would have made the Cross and murphy picks, hence they WERE no brainers.

You also can't solely draft linemen in the 1st 2 days of the draft.

If thats where you are weak, you should. Taking RB every year in round two
when you cant run block is retardation

There has been no generational talent at DT since Aaron Donald, the fact your labeling any of them as generational talent is just an example of how your biases twist your judgement on the topic of DT.

Its not my opinion, people were calling him generational:
Kirby Smart reflects on ‘generational talent’ at Georgia football pro day

if Tyler warren falls to our pick and they take him, he will very likely be a good player but it would still be a bad pick in my opinion

 

[flyerhawk]

There has been no generational talent at DT since Aaron Donald, the fact your labeling any of them as generational talent is just an example of how your biases twist your judgement on the topic of DT.

Also, focusing on one pick is pointless.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Its not my opinion, people were calling him generational:
Kirby Smart reflects on ‘generational talent’ at Georgia football pro day

So? He's not a generational talent.

 

[flyerhawk]

You and I would have made the Cross and murphy picks, hence they WERE no brainers.

The Murphy pick was a good pick but they could have EASILY have made a different pick especially if they didn't value the interior lines as you claim they don't.

If thats where you are weak, you should. Taking RB every year in round two
when you cant run block is retardation

I think that was more a Pete thing.

Its not my opinion, people were calling him generational:
Kirby Smart reflects on ‘generational talent’ at Georgia football pro day

Wait. His college coach called him a generational talent at their pro day? Shocking!

if Tyler warren falls to our pick and they take him, he will very likely be a good player but it would still be a bad pick in my opinion

The focus should be getting the best player, not forcing a pick at a position. That's how you draft LJ Collier.

Everyone mocked the Raiders for taking Bowers but he very well IS a generational talent.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Ewers says he's entering the draft.

 

[flyerhawk]

Ewers says he's entering the draft.

That's surprising. That 6 million dollar NIL must have dried up.

He was hurt all year. He could be a sneaky good pick in the 3rd or 4th round.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

That's surprising. That 6 million dollar NIL must have dried up.

He was hurt all year. He could be a sneaky good pick in the 3rd or 4th round.

Not sure who offered the deal and to where but I do agree he would be another good choice in the 3rd rounder.

 

[MrS]

So? He's not a generational talent.

The word is 'potential'

The Murphy pick was a good pick but they could have EASILY have made a different pick especially if they didn't value the interior lines as you claim they don't.

He was clearly the BPA that fell because half the teams ahead of us took a QB.

I think that was more a Pete thing.

I guess we will see

Wait. His college coach called him a generational talent at their pro day? Shocking!

You can google jalen carter generational and there are lots of mentions of it.

The focus should be getting the best player, not forcing a pick at a position. That's how you draft LJ Collier.

You obviously cant always draft for need, but taking BPA when its a low value position like TE or S is bad drafting.

Everyone mocked the Raiders for taking Bowers but he very well IS a generational talent.

Does it make sense to take TE when there are good OL available and your OL kind of sucks? Or just take the skill player and hope you can improve your OL later?

 

[flyerhawk]

You obviously cant always draft for need, but taking BPA when its a low value position like TE or S is bad drafting.

Does it make sense to take TE when there are good OL available and your OL kind of sucks? Or just take the skill player and hope you can improve your OL later?

If the TE is an All-Pro and the OL is just a starter level player, I'll take the TE every time.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

If the TE is an All-Pro and the OL is just a starter level player, I'll take the TE every time.

Can't get the All Pro TE the ball if the O-line can't hold.

 

[flyerhawk]

Can't get the All Pro TE the ball if the O-line can't hold.

Sure. But you can make similar arguments regarding nearly any positional comparison. The OL collectively is more important than a TE.

But look at the impact of a George Kittle or Travis Kelce on a team. The Niners are a different team when Kittle is out.

It's a team sport. And the team with the most talent across the board usually wins.

 

[MrS]

9ers and KC have legit OLs, at least the 9ers did

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Sure. But you can make similar arguments regarding nearly any positional comparison. The OL collectively is more important than a TE.

But look at the impact of a George Kittle or Travis Kelce on a team. The Niners are a different team when Kittle is out.

It's a team sport. And the team with the most talent across the board usually wins.

Yes they're special talent but neither were a 1st or 2nd second picks. Both SF/KC have solid o-lines and have their QBoF in place whereas we do not. Selecting a TE like Warren is a luxury pick if both lines are solid and only need a slight tweak for depth which can be found in the 2nd round or later. We do not have that luxury of passing up top o-line prospects.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yes they're special talent but neither were a 1st or 2nd second picks. Both SF/KC have solid o-lines and have their QBoF in place whereas we do not. Selecting a TE like Warren is a luxury pick if both lines are solid and only need a slight tweak for depth which can be found in the 2nd round or later. We do not have that luxury of passing up top o-line prospects.

I'm not saying that we should draft Warren or any TE. In fact, I don't think we should.

My point was more about focusing on getting the best players rather than forcing a needs based move.

 

[MrS]

theoretically, if warren falls to 18 and the top OL are gone, should they take him?