What has Gundy or Cutcliffe done to be in the top ten?
Malzahn was just thrown in there to show 1 BCS win or 1 playoff appearance doesn't mean that much in the grand scheme of things.
You are the one who brought up BCS level wins, not me. So if you don’t like that qualification maybe you don’t bring it up. The difference between Cut and Dantonio is Dantonio has actually won his conference multiple times while Cut has 6 losing seasons out of 10 at Duke. If bad recruiting and one 3-9 season should exclude Dantonio from any talks, I don’t see how you can make any argument that Cut should be in the top 30 coaches. If you prefer Cutcliffe over Dantonio, that’s your prerogative, but I don’t think you are going to find many that would agree with that.
You were talking shit when you made up a bullshit sexual assault charge that he covered up.
I never said they can't get bodies. It's more difficult to attract the high end talent, though. MSU has been one of the top teams in the nation this decade, yet you never see them landing any big name recruits. Why? It's too difficult. Stanford has been routinely bringing in 5* kids for a decade now.
He does have more than 1 BCS-caliber bowl win. He won the Rose Bowl and then in 2014 beat the Baylor team in the Cotton Bowl that some people were saying belonged in the playoff. This decade, he has 10+ wins in 6 of 8 years. Before this decade, Michigan State had 2 seasons of 10+ wins. Imagine if he wasn't having to try and recruit kids to frickin East Lansing. He's a top 5 coach.
I'd love to hear the argument for Petersen or Patterson above Dantonio. Also, Shaw has been decent, but he hasn't even been as good a coach as Harbaugh was at Stanford, and we all see how easy it's been for Harbaugh since joining the B1G East.
Well Harbaugh was dealing with one of the worst P5 programs and Shaw started with a prebuilt solid program. So they weren’t starting at the same or even remotely similar spots.
You lack context and substance. Harbaugh made Shaw and Stanford what it is. No wonder his overall record was shit, he took over a team that was perennially in the gutter and made them into a national power. All Shaw has had to do it take what Harbaugh taught him and execute, and he's falling off. Two 5 loss seasons in his last 4, but when he got to play with Harbaugh's kids, he killed it for 3 years.
Again, Harbaugh took over a 1-11 team. Shaw took over a 12-1 team. People who know football know the enormous differences in these situations. Do you honestly think if Harbaugh had stayed he would've inexplicably gone backwards, and that only Shaw could save them? That's retarded.
LOL Shaw took over a program that had just finished 4th in the nation with the shelves stocked with talent from 3 straight top 25 classes. Yes, it was a pre-built program. Comparing him to Dantonio? Let's compare:
So what??? They were a 1-11 team 4 years earlier. He turned them into a top 5 team. You repeating this doesn't help your point at all. Shaw was given years of tutelage under Harbaugh and then handed a top-end program. Dantonio took over a dumpster fire at MSU.
