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The OTs look the part. They seem to have passed the eyeball test. All of them have nimble feet for tall men.
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The OTs look the part. They seem to have passed the eyeball test. All of them have nimble feet for tall men.
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So...
Jonathan Cooper is almost a full inch shorter than his college height. Currently only 1 lb heavier than his listed playing weight.
Eric Fisher is the same height as the Senior Bowl and up only 1 lb.
Manase Foketi is currently 14 lbs heavier than his listed playing weight.
Joeckel is 6'6 even like his listed playing weight and 4 lbs lighter than his listed playing weight.
Lane Johnson is down 1/4 of an inch from his Senior Bowl measurement (common) and up only 1 lb since the Senior Bowl.
Chance Warmack is down 1 full inch from his listed playing height and down 3 lbs from his listed playing weight.
Menelik Watson is 7/8 of an inch shorter than his listed playing height and down 10 lbs from his listed playing weight.
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All Star Circuit
2013 Combine Preview
Thursday, February 21, 2013
The importance of the NFL Combine has recently shifted in the public's eye. Once viewed as a crucial piece of the evaluation process, it is now more of a media spectacle. The significance lies in the eye of the beholder, of course. In the NFL, teams value test results and measurements differently. What happens behind closed doors might impact prospects' draft value more than any stopwatch.
Honestly, I enjoy the event for what it is. Entertainment that puts prospects on an even playing field. The goal is always to see what was expected based on tape evaluation. If something looks off, then don’t immediately change the grade. Instead go back and look at the game film or chalk it up to working with professional trainers over the last few weeks.
Before breaking down specific sections of the Combine, let me touch on an idea that could prove important during on-field tests. When watching prospects’ game action, an evaluation takes athletic upside into account if it is a noticeable trait. Therefore, any notable times, repetitions, or numbers should be expected, not counted again as an extra positive. It is putting a score to that athletic upside, not adding to the evaluation. It was already there.
(Here's a look at the official 2013 Scouting Combine schedule.)
All-Important Interviews
NFL front office personnel arrive in Indianapolis armed with thorough background information on every prospect courtesy of college coaches and trainers. Participants with histories of off-field issues must understand this and be truthful during interviews. No one needs to be more honest and unscripted this week than Notre Dame’s Manti Te’o. It has been reported that the Irish linebacker has prepared for the difficult questions he will face just as much as the onfield drills he will participate in. Don’t expect a shining performance in the latter.
One method is to put players, especially quarterbacks, in front of a whiteboard. Teams present a situation or play versus a certain look and ask prospects to regurgitate information on a clean slate. Since many of this year’s signal callers are seniors, most of them have already been introduced to the interview process. Tyler Bray, who I will certainly mention later, needs to ace this section after admitting to lazy habits on and off the field throughout his collegiate career.
As previously stated, many seniors completed interviews at postseason all-star games, but the Combine is an underclassman's first exposure to NFL questioning. This year's obvious question mark is Georgia LB Alec Ogletree, who has three off-field red flags to his name, the last occurring just a few weeks ago in the form of a DUI. The consensus mindset appears to be that Ogletree is too talented to fall out of the first-round, and we like him best as a weakside linebacker behind a four man front.
Other cases include former LSU DB Tyrann Mathieu, who was on the path to returning to the football program before his most recent drug related run-in with police, Tennessee Tech WR Da’Rick Rogers, who transferred to an FCS program after multiple failed drug tests, and Tennessee WR Cordarrelle Patterson, who only spent one season at the FBS level, leading some to question if he can handle an NFL playbook.
Medical Checks
Teams give prospects do-not-draft grades for extensive medical history just as they do for character concerns. The majority of clubs bring medical staffs to poke and prod players, putting each through a physical before taking the field. The relationship between the decision maker and lead medical trainer must be built on trust and understanding. The last thing a General Manager wants is to waste a draft pick on a player that will rarely practice. Obviously Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones will be a hot name in this category (spinal stenosis), along with Cincinnati OLB Walter Stewart (spine), FSU DE Cornelius Carradine (ACL), and Oregon OLB Dion Jordan (shoulder).
Speed Kills
General opinion has Tennessee’s Cordarrelle Patterson, Cal’s Keenan Allen, Clemson’s DeAndre Hopkins, and West Virginia’s Tavon Austin in some order as the 2013 draft's top four wide receivers. Disagreements are common, but in some ways I still think receivers are linked to a stopwatch, and it shows in terms of burst, quickness, and straight-line speed. "Play speed" is most important, of course, but from watching their games In terms of play speed, Austin is the quickest of the bunch and likely would keep that title when surveying the entire class. Patterson’s speed is tough to pinpoint, because his movements and strides are so smooth, but we would expect a good time. Hopkins’ long speed is overlooked, but that is not what his game is based on. Allen will not be working out, but his game is built on quickness and precision more than speed.
Without pads, Indianapolis can turn into a glorified track meet. But it's always entertaining to see whether the top long-speed performers are the ones who can actually play. Texas WR Marquise Goodwin, Baylor WR Terrance Williams, Oregon State WR Markus Wheaton, Oregon RB Kenjon Barner, SE Louisiana CB Robert Alford and USC CB Nickell Robey are all in the running for the top spot in speed tests.
Short-Area Quickness
When looking for drills whose top performers tend to have the best future success for specific position groups, the 20-yard shuttle stood out for offensive linemen.
Though it fails to account for upper-body strength and skills, the 20-yard shuttle effectively showcases which offensive linemen have an ability to bend, plant, and burst quickly in their lower body as well as move in open space. This is important because nimble linemen can react and redirect against quick-twitch pass rushers. Since 2006, Eagles C Jason Kelce, Raiders C Samson Satele, Panthers C Ryan Kalil, Patriots OT Nate Solder, Jets C Nick Mangold, and Colts OT Anthony Castonzo make up six of the top seven clocked times in the 20-yard shuttle.
More than previous years, we should see some ridiculous numbers posted by prospects not considered among the skill positions. Two offensive linemen, Florida State T Menelik Watson and Oklahoma T Lane Johnson, should shine in multiple areas, including the 20-yard shuttle. Johnson is one of the three best left tackle prospects and is still growing into his frame. Watson could put on a Bruce Campbell style workout, but his tape is much better. Don’t overlook Ohio State’s Reid Fragel, Arkansas-Pine Bluff’s Terron Armstead, Oregon’s Kyle Long, and UNC’s Jonathan Cooper.
Much is made of a pass rusher's initial upfield get-off, but an ability to plant and quickly change direction can be equally effective. The 3-cone drill puts different types of pass rushers on an equal playing field. Since 2006, pass rushers like Cardinals OLB Sam Acho, Seahawks DE Bruce Irvin, Chargers OLB Melvin Ingram, Texans OLB Connor Barwin, Texans DE J.J. Watt, and Vikings DE Brian Robison make up the majority of the top eight 3-cone times with Lions DE Cliff Avril directly behind. In this class, Oregon OLB Dion Jordan, UConn LB Sio Moore, and LSU DE/OLB Barkevious Mingo could add to that list.
I’m not sure exactly where he will test well, but BYU DL/OLB Ezekiel Ansah needs to be mentioned. Once in space, his closing speed is the best in this class among pass rushers. Since he was moved around the defensive formation throughout his time in college, teams are still deciding where they project the inexperienced pass rusher. He is one of our favorites and only needs to learn how to create separation and shed when attacking upfield.
All Star Circuit
2013 Combine Preview
Thursday, February 21, 2013
The importance of the NFL Combine has recently shifted in the public's eye. Once viewed as a crucial piece of the evaluation process, it is now more of a media spectacle. The significance lies in the eye of the beholder, of course. In the NFL, teams value test results and measurements differently. What happens behind closed doors might impact prospects' draft value more than any stopwatch.
Honestly, I enjoy the event for what it is. Entertainment that puts prospects on an even playing field. The goal is always to see what was expected based on tape evaluation. If something looks off, then don’t immediately change the grade. Instead go back and look at the game film or chalk it up to working with professional trainers over the last few weeks.
Before breaking down specific sections of the Combine, let me touch on an idea that could prove important during on-field tests. When watching prospects’ game action, an evaluation takes athletic upside into account if it is a noticeable trait. Therefore, any notable times, repetitions, or numbers should be expected, not counted again as an extra positive. It is putting a score to that athletic upside, not adding to the evaluation. It was already there.
(Here's a look at the official 2013 Scouting Combine schedule.)
All-Important Interviews
NFL front office personnel arrive in Indianapolis armed with thorough background information on every prospect courtesy of college coaches and trainers. Participants with histories of off-field issues must understand this and be truthful during interviews. No one needs to be more honest and unscripted this week than Notre Dame’s Manti Te’o. It has been reported that the Irish linebacker has prepared for the difficult questions he will face just as much as the onfield drills he will participate in. Don’t expect a shining performance in the latter.
One method is to put players, especially quarterbacks, in front of a whiteboard. Teams present a situation or play versus a certain look and ask prospects to regurgitate information on a clean slate. Since many of this year’s signal callers are seniors, most of them have already been introduced to the interview process. Tyler Bray, who I will certainly mention later, needs to ace this section after admitting to lazy habits on and off the field throughout his collegiate career.
As previously stated, many seniors completed interviews at postseason all-star games, but the Combine is an underclassman's first exposure to NFL questioning. This year's obvious question mark is Georgia LB Alec Ogletree, who has three off-field red flags to his name, the last occurring just a few weeks ago in the form of a DUI. The consensus mindset appears to be that Ogletree is too talented to fall out of the first-round, and we like him best as a weakside linebacker behind a four man front.
Other cases include former LSU DB Tyrann Mathieu, who was on the path to returning to the football program before his most recent drug related run-in with police, Tennessee Tech WR Da’Rick Rogers, who transferred to an FCS program after multiple failed drug tests, and Tennessee WR Cordarrelle Patterson, who only spent one season at the FBS level, leading some to question if he can handle an NFL playbook.
Medical Checks
Teams give prospects do-not-draft grades for extensive medical history just as they do for character concerns. The majority of clubs bring medical staffs to poke and prod players, putting each through a physical before taking the field. The relationship between the decision maker and lead medical trainer must be built on trust and understanding. The last thing a General Manager wants is to waste a draft pick on a player that will rarely practice. Obviously Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones will be a hot name in this category (spinal stenosis), along with Cincinnati OLB Walter Stewart (spine), FSU DE Cornelius Carradine (ACL), and Oregon OLB Dion Jordan (shoulder).
Speed Kills
General opinion has Tennessee’s Cordarrelle Patterson, Cal’s Keenan Allen, Clemson’s DeAndre Hopkins, and West Virginia’s Tavon Austin in some order as the 2013 draft's top four wide receivers. Disagreements are common, but in some ways I still think receivers are linked to a stopwatch, and it shows in terms of burst, quickness, and straight-line speed. "Play speed" is most important, of course, but from watching their games In terms of play speed, Austin is the quickest of the bunch and likely would keep that title when surveying the entire class. Patterson’s speed is tough to pinpoint, because his movements and strides are so smooth, but we would expect a good time. Hopkins’ long speed is overlooked, but that is not what his game is based on. Allen will not be working out, but his game is built on quickness and precision more than speed.
Without pads, Indianapolis can turn into a glorified track meet. But it's always entertaining to see whether the top long-speed performers are the ones who can actually play. Texas WR Marquise Goodwin, Baylor WR Terrance Williams, Oregon State WR Markus Wheaton, Oregon RB Kenjon Barner, SE Louisiana CB Robert Alford and USC CB Nickell Robey are all in the running for the top spot in speed tests.
Short-Area Quickness
When looking for drills whose top performers tend to have the best future success for specific position groups, the 20-yard shuttle stood out for offensive linemen.
Though it fails to account for upper-body strength and skills, the 20-yard shuttle effectively showcases which offensive linemen have an ability to bend, plant, and burst quickly in their lower body as well as move in open space. This is important because nimble linemen can react and redirect against quick-twitch pass rushers. Since 2006, Eagles C Jason Kelce, Raiders C Samson Satele, Panthers C Ryan Kalil, Patriots OT Nate Solder, Jets C Nick Mangold, and Colts OT Anthony Castonzo make up six of the top seven clocked times in the 20-yard shuttle.
More than previous years, we should see some ridiculous numbers posted by prospects not considered among the skill positions. Two offensive linemen, Florida State T Menelik Watson and Oklahoma T Lane Johnson, should shine in multiple areas, including the 20-yard shuttle. Johnson is one of the three best left tackle prospects and is still growing into his frame. Watson could put on a Bruce Campbell style workout, but his tape is much better. Don’t overlook Ohio State’s Reid Fragel, Arkansas-Pine Bluff’s Terron Armstead, Oregon’s Kyle Long, and UNC’s Jonathan Cooper.
Much is made of a pass rusher's initial upfield get-off, but an ability to plant and quickly change direction can be equally effective. The 3-cone drill puts different types of pass rushers on an equal playing field. Since 2006, pass rushers like Cardinals OLB Sam Acho, Seahawks DE Bruce Irvin, Chargers OLB Melvin Ingram, Texans OLB Connor Barwin, Texans DE J.J. Watt, and Vikings DE Brian Robison make up the majority of the top eight 3-cone times with Lions DE Cliff Avril directly behind. In this class, Oregon OLB Dion Jordan, UConn LB Sio Moore, and LSU DE/OLB Barkevious Mingo could add to that list.
I’m not sure exactly where he will test well, but BYU DL/OLB Ezekiel Ansah needs to be mentioned. Once in space, his closing speed is the best in this class among pass rushers. Since he was moved around the defensive formation throughout his time in college, teams are still deciding where they project the inexperienced pass rusher. He is one of our favorites and only needs to learn how to create separation and shed when attacking upfield.
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Over 800 media credentials were issued for the Scouting Combine this year, which is a record. About 600 of those people shouldn't even be allowed in the doors! Argh!
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Alabama's Dee Milliner, top cornerback in NFL draft, faces surgery for torn labrum after combine - ESPN
However, even with the injury, Milliner will do every workout drill at the combine except for the bench press, and there is optimism about his availability for training camp.
However, even with the injury, Milliner will do every workout drill at the combine except for the bench press, and there is optimism about his availability for training camp.
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Alabama G Chance Warmack measured in at 6'2/317 pounds at the NFL Combine.
Warmack also checked in with 34 6/8-inch arms, which is more than enough. NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah says Warmack's size was "smaller than expected" but we don't think that is such a bad thing. He will draw the best grade in this draft, but is a fringe top 10 pick.
Source: Daniel Jeremiah on Twitter
Warmack also checked in with 34 6/8-inch arms, which is more than enough. NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah says Warmack's size was "smaller than expected" but we don't think that is such a bad thing. He will draw the best grade in this draft, but is a fringe top 10 pick.
Source: Daniel Jeremiah on Twitter
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Jinx Allessio:
Pioli is asked how he would change the combine, indirectly he said you dont get the insight in to players like you used. Hard to filter
Their mental, intelligence, etc. Players much more coached up and prepped. Yup old new come on Scott
Pioli is asked how he would change the combine, indirectly he said you dont get the insight in to players like you used. Hard to filter
Their mental, intelligence, etc. Players much more coached up and prepped. Yup old new come on Scott
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Sean Jensen:
Bears GM Phil Emery lists corner and safety among the top positions in this year's draft. Also highlights o-line
Phil Emery said the medical element ranks No. 1 here at the NFL Combine
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Scott Kegley:
Baalke praised Dir. of College Scouting Joel Patten, National Scout Matt Malaspina & scouting staff for last 17 days of draft meetings.
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Matt Miller:
Dolphins brought 55 people to Combine to evaluate players, per Jeff Ireland
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Gregg Rosenthal:
Bears GM Emery thinks there are 6 true starting safeties in this draft class.
Bears GM Phil Emery lists corner and safety among the top positions in this year's draft. Also highlights o-line
Phil Emery said the medical element ranks No. 1 here at the NFL Combine
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Scott Kegley:
Baalke praised Dir. of College Scouting Joel Patten, National Scout Matt Malaspina & scouting staff for last 17 days of draft meetings.
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Matt Miller:
Dolphins brought 55 people to Combine to evaluate players, per Jeff Ireland
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Gregg Rosenthal:
Bears GM Emery thinks there are 6 true starting safeties in this draft class.
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Daniel Jeremiah:
Zach Ertz 6'5 249lbs. 31 3/4 inch arms
Tyler Eifert 6'5 1/2 250 lbs. 33 1/8 inch arms
San Diego St TE Gavin Escobar 6'5 7/8 254 lbs. 33 5/8 inch arms.
Florida TE Jordan Reed 6'2 1/2 236 lbs. 33 inch arms.
Michigan St TE Dion Sims 6'4 7/8 262 lbs. 33 1/8 inch arms.
Travis Kelce 6'4 7/8 255 lbs. 33 3/4 inch arms
Zach Ertz 6'5 249lbs. 31 3/4 inch arms
Tyler Eifert 6'5 1/2 250 lbs. 33 1/8 inch arms
San Diego St TE Gavin Escobar 6'5 7/8 254 lbs. 33 5/8 inch arms.
Florida TE Jordan Reed 6'2 1/2 236 lbs. 33 inch arms.
Michigan St TE Dion Sims 6'4 7/8 262 lbs. 33 1/8 inch arms.
Travis Kelce 6'4 7/8 255 lbs. 33 3/4 inch arms
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So...
Ertz is 1 inch shorter than his listed height. Down 3 lbs from his listed playing weight.
Eifert is 1/2 of an inch shorter than his listed playing height. Down 1 lb from his listed playing weight.
Escobar is 1/8 of an inch shorter than his listed playing height. Down 1 lb from his listed playing weight.
Reed is 1/2 of an inch shorter than his listed playing height. Down 3 lbs from his listed playing weight.
Sims is 1/8 of an inch shorter than his listed playing height. Down TWENTY-THREE (23) lbs from his listed playing weight.
Kelce is 1 and 1/8 of an inch shorter than his listed playing height. Down 5 lbs from his listed playing weight.
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Georgia LB Jarvis Jones, the top player on Mel Kiper's draft board, will not work out at combine and focus on Pro Day in Athens, Ga., Mar 21
Georgia LB Jarvis Jones, the top player on Mel Kiper's draft board, will not work out at combine and focus on Pro Day in Athens, Ga., Mar 21
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Jonathan Cooper - 6'2 1/8. 311 lbs.
Eric Fisher - 6'7 1/4. 306 lbs. 34 1/2 inch arm.
Manase Foketi - 339 lbs.
Luke Joeckel - 6'6 even. 306 lbs. 34 1/4 inch arm.
Lane Johnson - 6'6 even. 303 lbs.
Chance Warmack - 6'2 even. 317 lbs. 34 3/4 inch arm
Menelik Watson - 6'5 1/8. 310 lbs. 34 inch arm
WalterFootball.com: 2013 NFL Draft Scouting Combine - Offensive Linemen
Eric Fisher - 6'7 1/4. 306 lbs. 34 1/2 inch arm.
Manase Foketi - 339 lbs.
Luke Joeckel - 6'6 even. 306 lbs. 34 1/4 inch arm.
Lane Johnson - 6'6 even. 303 lbs.
Chance Warmack - 6'2 even. 317 lbs. 34 3/4 inch arm
Menelik Watson - 6'5 1/8. 310 lbs. 34 inch arm
WalterFootball.com: 2013 NFL Draft Scouting Combine - Offensive Linemen
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Jarvis Jones will not workout at the Combine
Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones will not workout at the Combine, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.
Schefter added that Jones will focus on the school's Pro Day, which takes place on March 21. The most important part of Jones' Combine experience will be the medical tests, but sitting out won't help his evaluation.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
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Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones will not workout at the Combine, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.
Schefter added that Jones will focus on the school's Pro Day, which takes place on March 21. The most important part of Jones' Combine experience will be the medical tests, but sitting out won't help his evaluation.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
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WalterFootball.com: 2013 NFL Draft Scouting Combine - Tight Ends
I'm skeptical that THAT many of these guys hit the even mark on their heights. For now I won't include heights in this.
Cunningham is down 6 lbs from his listed playing weight.
Fauria is up 4 lbs from his listed playing weight.
Furstenburg is down 3 lbs from his listed playing weight.
Gragg is up 2 lbs from his listed playing weight.
Jefferson is down 3 lbs from his listed playing weight.
Kasa is up 2 lbs from the Senior Bowl and 9 lbs from his listed playing weight.
Lutzenkirchen is up 8 lbs from the Senior Bowl.
McDonald is down 5 lbs from the Senior Bowl.
Otten is down 5 lbs from the Senior Bowl.
Pantale is down 1 lb from his listed playing weight.
Toilolo is down 5 lbs from his listed playing weight.
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Bruce Feldman:
Khaled Holmes says he finished the year around 80% w his high-ankle sprain & says he's close to 100% now.
Khaled Holmes says he finished the year around 80% w his high-ankle sprain & says he's close to 100% now.
