NFC West

[BINGO]

Percy Harvin - WR - Seahawks

ESPN's John Clayton stated on SportsCenter Friday that Percy Harvin (hip) still has a chance to play this season.

"Don't rule out the possibility that he might be able to play through this," stated Clayton. "It might be serious and might be something he could be able to play through. Depends on the second opinion." The second opinion will take place on Tuesday. Although Harvin still figures to miss all of training camp, there remains a slight chance he'll be back for Week 1. Stay tuned.

Jul 26 - 1:23 PM

 

[threelittleturds]

Ha ha, such a giant difference in reporting the same story when you take someone being impartial (Jason La Confora) and someone being biased and optimistic (John Clayton).

 

[NinerSickness]

This is a big reason I was celebrating here when the Seagulls traded their first rounder for Percy. And I celebtrated even more when they gave him $67 million.

He were a stock at the beginning of the year, I would have put it on "sell now" status.

 

[Ibangedlolojones]

Fucker cant play with a headache how is he going to handle playing with a tear in his hip ?

 

[MHSL82]

This is a big reason I was celebrating here when the Seagulls traded their first rounder for Percy. And I celebtrated even more when they gave him $67 million.

He were a stock at the beginning of the year, I would have put it on "sell now" status.

I would have waited until right before the injury was reported and then sold if I were you. No point in selling before the hype, right? You just have to time it or have inside information on when the injury was, because there was no if, right? I don't know as much football as you do, but I was a skeptic, mainly because if he had come here, I'd be a pessimist. Not like we're having that great of luck in the WR injury department after some good injury numbers the previous years overall (not talking about injury impact here because Justin Smith was bigger than one injury impact-wise in the negative and Alex's concussion helped our team. Even if Kaep hadn't succeeded, we'd have given him some positive playing experience.).

 

[purguy12]

i agree, i dont think he is anything special. to give him that much was a bad move by seattle.

 

[Breaker99]

i agree, i dont think he is anything special. to give him that much was a bad move by seattle.

If he is healthy and in good spirits he is special. The problem is that he is rarely in good spirits or healthy. In college he was accused of getting preferential treatment and refusing to practice. He even choked a coach. In Minnesota he publicly fought with his coaches, threatened to not play, demanded new contracts, threw his QB under the bus, couldn't play because of headaches, could not stay healthy or on the field.

For that Seattle gave up 67 million dollars, and a 1st, 3rd, and 7th round draft pick.

And now he is already injured and the seahawks are clearly going to push him to play through his torn hip labrum after spending that kind of money.

My question is this... IF harvin sat out games because he had a headache in Minnesota, who thinks he will play through a torn hip labrum?

I find that highly doubtful that this diva is going to do anything like that.

 

[deep9er]

they were more than few fans here, who wanted to sign Harvin.

 

[SeattleOspreys]

If he is healthy and in good spirits he is special. The problem is that he is rarely in good spirits or healthy. In college he was accused of getting preferential treatment and refusing to practice. He even choked a coach. In Minnesota he publicly fought with his coaches, threatened to not play, demanded new contracts, threw his QB under the bus, couldn't play because of headaches, could not stay healthy or on the field.

For that Seattle gave up 67 million dollars, and a 1st, 3rd, and 7th round draft pick.

Pet peeve when fans start dropping salaries like it's baseball. It's really a 2-3 yr deal and
potential for re-structure. The guarantee isonly 2 years worth of the package.
It could've been a 6 year deal worth $8.2 billion. Who cares? It's how the deal is structured.


That's it. When the deal went down, I looked at the deal and said "bam, Harvin is here for
no longer than 3 years."

At #25, to move up for a guy like Harvin is easily worth a 3rd in 2014. Headaches or not,
what guarantees do you get at #25? You've heard of present value, right?
Maybe not since you didn't know we didn't give up $67 million. A future 3rd
has a PV equating to a 2013 4th rdr.

For such a smart @$$, you sure aren't too bright...

NS, is this trolling or educating?

 

[NinerSickness]

Pet peeve when fans start dropping salaries like it's baseball. It's really a 2-3 yr deal and
potential for re-structure. The guarantee isonly 2 years worth of the package.
It could've been a 6 year deal worth $8.2 billion. Who cares? It's how the deal is structured.


That's it. When the deal went down, I looked at the deal and said "bam, Harvin is here for
no longer than 3 years."

At #25, to move up for a guy like Harvin is easily worth a 3rd in 2014. Headaches or not,
what guarantees do you get at #25? You've heard of present value, right?
Maybe not since you didn't know we didn't give up $67 million. A future 3rd
has a PV equating to a 2013 4th rdr.

For such a smart @$$, you sure aren't too bright...

NS, is this trolling or educating?

Educating. If anyone is guilty of trolling lately it's Breaker99 (at the very least over-the-top crap talking about non-football issues). I'm guilty of some ignorance on the details of his contract too. I didn't know that was how it was structured. All I knew is that he got 14 million up front & the deal was worth $67 Million total.

I initially thought the trade was the blunder of the offseason; but if they have to cut their losses maybe it won't be as big of a financial disaster as I thought. I don't know what his base salaries are or if any of his salary is dependent upon him playing, etc.

 

[NinerSickness]

they were more than few fans here, who wanted to sign Harvin.

True. One regular in particular was driving the Percy bandwagon. I was firmly entrenched in the opposite camp when I heard they wanted a first rounder.

 

[MHSL82]

Ha ha, such a giant difference in reporting the same story when you take someone being impartial (Jason La Confora) and someone being biased and optimistic (John Clayton).

I never heard the phrase impartial and Jason La Confora in the same sentence before. He either says a factual statement that has no real reporting in it, something no one cares about, or states something that was biased. Just my experience and I've heard people complain from a few teams.

As for Clayton, if I didn't know his bias (he just looks like someone from Washington in addition to whatever else we know about him), I'd have thought that he was trying to make the minimal statement, not be biased and optimistic. But I have heard people call him a Seahawk homer even before they improved.

 

[MHSL82]

If he is healthy and in good spirits he is special. The problem is that he is rarely in good spirits or healthy. In college he was accused of getting preferential treatment and refusing to practice. He even choked a coach. In Minnesota he publicly fought with his coaches, threatened to not play, demanded new contracts, threw his QB under the bus, couldn't play because of headaches, could not stay healthy or on the field.

For that Seattle gave up 67 million dollars, and a 1st, 3rd, and 7th round draft pick.

And now he is already injured and the seahawks are clearly going to push him to play through his torn hip labrum after spending that kind of money.

My question is this... IF harvin sat out games because he had a headache in Minnesota, who thinks he will play through a torn hip labrum?

I find that highly doubtful that this diva is going to do anything like that.

It would seem they'd have a games played language in there, but it depends on leverage. I always feel teams have the leverage for players that aren't QBs and even then, they'd have to be the top. However, when they gave up picks to get him, it gives more pressure to keep him. Even if a 7th is a whatever pick, 3rd is like a 4th, and he was worth the first rounder.

 

[Ibangedlolojones]

Pet peeve when fans start dropping salaries like it's baseball. It's really a 2-3 yr deal and
potential for re-structure. The guarantee isonly 2 years worth of the package.
It could've been a 6 year deal worth $8.2 billion. Who cares? It's how the deal is structured.


That's it. When the deal went down, I looked at the deal and said "bam, Harvin is here for
no longer than 3 years."

At #25, to move up for a guy like Harvin is easily worth a 3rd in 2014. Headaches or not,
what guarantees do you get at #25? You've heard of present value, right?
Maybe not since you didn't know we didn't give up $67 million. A future 3rd
has a PV equating to a 2013 4th rdr.

For such a smart @$$, you sure aren't too bright...

NS, is this trolling or educating?

25th picks in the draft don't get 14 million up front though .......

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

It's too early to say Harvin was a good or bad move... My god let it play out first...

 

[NinerSickness]

It's too early to say Harvin was a good or bad move... My god let it play out first...

Say? Sure. These are more like predictions.

 

[BINGO]

Percy Harvin - WR - Seahawks

SI's Peter King expects Percy Harvin (hip) to be ready for Week 1.

He's just guessing, though King says the "usually conservative Seahawks doctors" don't consider Harvin's injury season-threatening. Harvin is getting a second opinion from a hip specialist on Tuesday. We should get a much better idea of Harvin's status within the next 48 hours.
Source: Sports Illustrated

Jul 29 - 9:30 AM

 

[NinerSickness]

Percy Harvin - WR - Seahawks

SI's Peter King expects Percy Harvin (hip) to be ready for Week 1.

He's just guessing, though King says the "usually conservative Seahawks doctors" don't consider Harvin's injury season-threatening. Harvin is getting a second opinion from a hip specialist on Tuesday. We should get a much better idea of Harvin's status within the next 48 hours.
Source: Sports Illustrated

Jul 29 - 9:30 AM

I hope he does play so the Niners can figure out how to stop him (and players like him).

 

[MHSL82]

Percy Harvin - WR - Seahawks

SI's Peter King expects Percy Harvin (hip) to be ready for Week 1.

He's just guessing, though King says the "usually conservative Seahawks doctors" don't consider Harvin's injury season-threatening. Harvin is getting a second opinion from a hip specialist on Tuesday. We should get a much better idea of Harvin's status within the next 48 hours.
Source: Sports Illustrated

Jul 29 - 9:30 AM

I hope he does play so the Niners can figure out how to stop him (and players like him).

If I were Seattle, I'd save him for game 2, not letting us know whether he's playing. It'd prevent a Week 1 injury in an easier game (not saying Carolina is a shoe-in but it's also not like they can't win without Harvin). Making an opponent guess on a WR's availability isn't as big as for a QB, but it's something. Especially, in my opinion, at the start of the season. Now, do you get the rust out in Week 1? That might be better than waiting.

Of course, this is under the assumption that he's borderline and can't be back for any preseason games. This is a hypothetical of him getting better the week after the last preseason game.

 

[EaseUrStorm]

I'd like to face off against Seattle with both teams as close to full strength as possible and see what happens. Regarding Crabtree vs. Harvin being out as an excuse for a loss:

Crabtree -
1. If you go back to this time last year, Crabtree wasn't looked on as being the same caliber player as he is now. He got red hot down the stretch, but should still be considered a #2A type WR instead of a a true #1. He's a very big piece of the puzzle but this offense is not designed specifically around Crabtree. Not like Cinn's offense is set up around AJ Green.

2. Our team is designed with depth to be a key strength. We have Gore + Hunter + James, VD + our new 2nd Rd TE, Boldin, and a strong O-line. That is the strength of our team as a whole, in place of going after a few high priced FA's, or being reliant on one top 5 drafted talent.

If Kaep goes down, everything changes immediately. I'd probably put Justin Smith and Aldon Smith in that category too because the defense is instantly changed. We could probably work around Willis going down right now and same goes for Crabtree.

Now for Harvin -

Seattle took a big swing and had to be aware of the risks. Talent wise it's questionable if he should be lumped into the Kaep, Smith bros. category for Seattle, or if he'll be in the next tier down like where I'm putting Crabtree.

Based on Harvin's injury history where it has been publicly known, they can't use it as an excuse if they lose when he's not out there because it was already factored into the contract. If he had a completely healthy history, he would cost more. They should instead complain about their FO taking that risk in the first place.