NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[msgkings322]

I only go to McDonalds when they have the McRib.

 

[msgkings322]

The Lakers have the richest single team deal with a tv network in the NBA. Don't think it would be a problem. If it is...oh well, it would be time to sell the team.

You honestly think a sport like basketball where the superstars determine who wins would be better with no cap? Literally only 5 teams would ever win titles.

 

[trojanfan12]

You honestly think a sport like basketball where the superstars determine who wins would be better with no cap? Literally only 5 teams would ever win titles.

If the other owners are as rich as you say...shouldn't be an issue.

 

[msgkings322]

If the other owners are as rich as you say...shouldn't be an issue.

No I mean the 5 richest owners would just take turns. Baseball is a completely different type of sport (and the playoffs are random so payroll means little there)

 

[trojanfan12]

No I mean the 5 richest owners would just take turns. Baseball is a completely different type of sport (and the playoffs are random so payroll means little there)

Then other owners can find ways to increase revenue or bring in investors like the broke ass Lakers ownership did.

No need to worry though, sports socialism is too entrenched to ever go away.

 

[msgkings322]

Then other owners can find ways to increase revenue or bring in investors like the broke ass Lakers ownership did.

No need to worry though, sports socialism is too entrenched to ever go away.

I don't understand this take one bit but whatevs

 

[thunderc]

I don't understand this take one bit but whatevs

Some simply aren’t capable of building teams the right way

 

[msgkings322]

Some simply aren’t capable of building teams the right way

If there was no salary cap there wouldn't even be a team in OKC. And if there was they would never make the playoffs.

 

[thunderc]

If there was no salary cap there wouldn't even be a team in OKC. And if there was they would never make the playoffs.

I assume you mean if there were no restrictions whatsoever and no draft but you are exaggerating a bit. OKC is like the 19th largest city now so I think they would at least have a team.

 

[msgkings322]

I assume you mean if there were no restrictions whatsoever and no draft but you are exaggerating a bit. OKC is like the 19th largest city now so I think they would at least have a team.

City size means very little compared to the surrounding media market. San Francisco proper, for example, has only 800,000 people, but the Bay Area media market is one of the biggest (7th). OKC is 26th (out of 28 since 2 markets have 2 teams)

NBA Team Market Size Rankings

Which NBA markets are the biggest and smallest? We ranked every NBA team market from 1-28.

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[trojanfan12]

I don't understand this take one bit but whatevs

it's simple. The point is to win. Why shouldn't an owner be able to use their full resources? Teams that truly want to win, find ways. In MLB, we've seen teams like the Marlins and Blue Jays spend a lot of money for a 3-5 year window, win a World Series or 2, then have a fire sale to get their payroll back down.

In the NBA, we've seen small market teams like your Warriors, the Cavs, Raptors, Spurs, Jazz, Buckalises and Thunder compete for and win titles by drafting well, making shrewd trades and bringing in the right FA's. Sure, big market teams can "throw money at the problem" and bring in big time FA's...but we've also seen that it doesn't always work out for them.

 

[msgkings322]

it's simple. The point is to win. Why shouldn't an owner be able to use their full resources? Teams that truly want to win, find ways. In MLB, we've seen teams like the Marlins and Blue Jays spend a lot of money for a 3-5 year window, win a World Series or 2, then have a fire sale to get their payroll back down.

In the NBA, we've seen small market teams like your Warriors, the Cavs, Raptors, Spurs, Jazz, Buckalises and Thunder compete for and win titles by drafting well, making shrewd trades and bringing in the right FA's. Sure, big market teams can "throw money at the problem" and bring in big time FA's...but we've also seen that it doesn't always work out for them.

Because teams need viable competition, you need teams to play against. And big market teams can only throw so much money at it. If there were no limit then there would be 5 superteams and a bunch of smaller market teams with no chance to win.

And LOL at the Warriors and Raptors being small market

NBA Team Market Size Rankings

Which NBA markets are the biggest and smallest? We ranked every NBA team market from 1-28.

hoop-social.com

 

[trojanfan12]

Because teams need viable competition, you need teams to play against. And big market teams can only throw so much money at it. If there were no limit then there would be 5 superteams and a bunch of smaller market teams with no chance to win.

And LOL at the Warriors and Raptors being small market

NBA Team Market Size Rankings

Which NBA markets are the biggest and smallest? We ranked every NBA team market from 1-28.

hoop-social.com

The Warriors and Raptors have always been considered small market. At the least, that's how they've been run for most of their existence. I disagree about a league being reduced to 5 superteams. As I just pointed out, teams that want to win, find ways to do so. Also, being in a big market doesn't guarantee shit...look at the Knicks, Nets and Clippers.

 

[msgkings322]

The Warriors and Raptors have always been considered small market.

LOL by whom?

At the least, that's how they've been run for most of their existence. I disagree about a league being reduced to 5 superteams. As I just pointed out, teams that want to win, find ways to do so.

You keep missing the logic here...they find a way to win because there's a cap

Also, being in a big market doesn't guarantee shit...look at the Knicks, Nets and Clippers.

Again, because there's a cap

 

[trojanfan12]

LOL by whom?

Pretty much everyone, for years.

You keep missing the logic here...they find a way to win because there's a cap

No, you are. The cap isn't how they find ways to win, drafting well, making shrewd deals and signing the right FA's is.

Look at the Thunder, most of their roster are guys they drafted and they're set up to be one of, if not the best teams in the league for years to come. In fact, they've drafted so well that they are going to have to make some tough decisions pretty soon because they're not going to be able to keep everyone.

The salary cap that was put in place to help them is going to hurt them.

Again, because there's a cap

No, because for years, those owners wouldn't spend or didn't spend wisely. It wasn't the salary cap that caused Donald Sterling to always have low payroll and caused him to let good players that they drafted go when it was time to actually pay them.

 

[msgkings322]

Pretty much everyone, for years.

LOL 'k

No, you are. The cap isn't how they find ways to win, drafting well, making shrewd deals and signing the right FA's is.

Look at the Thunder, most of their roster are guys they drafted and they're set up to be one of, if not the best teams in the league for years to come. In fact, they've drafted so well that they are going to have to make some tough decisions pretty soon because they're not going to be able to keep everyone.

The salary cap that was put in place to help them is going to hurt them.


No, because for years, those owners wouldn't spend or didn't spend wisely. It wasn't the salary cap that caused Donald Sterling to always have low payroll and caused him to let good players that they drafted go when it was time to actually pay them.

As I said, whatevs. We're talking past each other.

 

[trojanfan12]

LOL 'k

As I said, whatevs. We're talking past each other.

Translation = I win.

 

[msgkings322]

Translation = I win.

Well I didn't want to say it and antagonize you but yes, I win

 

[thunderc]

it's simple. The point is to win. Why shouldn't an owner be able to use their full resources? Teams that truly want to win, find ways. In MLB, we've seen teams like the Marlins and Blue Jays spend a lot of money for a 3-5 year window, win a World Series or 2, then have a fire sale to get their payroll back down.

In the NBA, we've seen small market teams like your Warriors, the Cavs, Raptors, Spurs, Jazz, Buckalises and Thunder compete for and win titles by drafting well, making shrewd trades and bringing in the right FA's. Sure, big market teams can "throw money at the problem" and bring in big time FA's...but we've also seen that it doesn't always work out for them.

Anything with a union involved is never going to be like that. And as has been stated competition is needed.

 

[thunderc]

Truthfully there are very few owners that don’t like the salary cap, perhaps none. It’s just going to keep getting harder, the nba wants what the nfl has. I mean sure if they could guarantee it would be the lakers and Celtics every year they would take that but those days are over.