NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[Heatles84]

HOF voters are going to distinguish who stood out in their eras, particularly around letting QBs in. Offenses have evolved to the point that mediocre pedestrian QBs are out performing great QBs in the 60's - 90's.

 

[Heatles84]

32 years is a long ass time. lol

Congrats, bud.

 

[Wamu]

32 years is a long ass time. lol

True. But I ain't listening to any of that. The Indians haven't won it since '48. You wanna hear something funny about 1948? That was meeeechegan's last outright national title.

 

[Wamu]

Thanks......Kershaw got the monkey off his back with a 2.31 ERA in the WS.

He's too good of a P to have his previous W.S. starts defne his post season career. Glad he finally won one.

 

[Wamu]

agree...but was talking Elway.

My bad. Did you see his latest hand picked QB (Lock) is one of the worst in the league? Since the start of the '16 season no other team has had more starting QB's (9). I'm starting to think there's some truth behind the rumors around here that Elway's worried about his legacy in the Mile Higher City. Yeah he brought in Manning. But by that time everyone knew PM was better than Elway. His selection of drafted QB's and ones he's picked up are terrible.

 

[trojanfan12]

Indy a good team (exceptional D). Yeah, looked bad second half. But elite in first.

Also played well against good teams in losses last season to Rams/seattle (very well against Seattle despite Freddie's dumb) and the critics said "all that matters is winning/losing". The kid cannot win with many fans/media members.

Yeah it's not like he's never played well or good enough against top teams...that's just been this year and then people say he "never plays well". That just isn't true. Ohh he just abuses Cincy and every other team he is mediocre or below average, not really the case. It depends on what that team does well...sometimes he stares down WR's, sometimes he doesn't read coverages like he should, panics against pressure or feeling pressure but I can think of plenty of games he played well against very good teams...that just hasn't been this year. For the most part he does struggle with certain tendencies displayed by good defenses. Seems like everyone is only going to look at the PIT, TEN and BAL game and say "well what did he do?". He just has to keep getting better, plain and simple.

No one said that he's never had a good game against a good team. But he's getting to the point where he will soon have enough starts that if you can still name the good games he's had against good teams...it's not a good thing.

 

[trojanfan12]

He's too good of a P to have his previous W.S. starts defne his post season career. Glad he finally won one.

True, but when you're talking about the elite of the elite, the post season is a big part of what defines you. As much as I like Kershaw....his post season performances, for the most part, haven't been what they need to be considering his status.

To be fair, some of that is overuse (not just by Roberts) and him always wanting to pitch when called on. He's started games on short rest, he's come in and pitched relief a few times, etc.

But it doesn't change the results and how pitchers at his level are judged.

 

[Wamu]

True, but when you're talking about the elite of the elite, the post season is a big part of what defines you. As much as I like Kershaw....his post season performances, for the most part, haven't been what they need to be considering his status.

To be fair, some of that is overuse (not just by Roberts) and him always wanting to pitch when called on. He's started games on short rest, he's come in and pitched relief a few times, etc.

But it doesn't change the results and how pitchers at his level are judged.

I didn't know until this W.S. that Greg Maddux was only 11-14 in the post season.

 

[trojanfan12]

I didn't know until this W.S. that Greg Maddux was only 11-14 in the post season.

The Dodgers and Kershaw the past several seasons have reminded me of those Braves teams.

Personally, I think the past 32 years have been the baseball gods making them pay for winning the World Series in '88 with arguably the least talented roster in World Series history. lol

 

[tlance]

but that playoff format change made them have to win in a shortened extra round....and guessing you believe a shorter round makes an upset more likely? Playoff format made it harder for LA.

Of course.

I also said stupid to put an asterisk on either.

 

[dtgold88]

My bad. Did you see his latest hand picked QB (Lock) is one of the worst in the league? Since the start of the '16 season no other team has had more starting QB's (9). I'm starting to think there's some truth behind the rumors around here that Elway's worried about his legacy in the Mile Higher City. Yeah he brought in Manning. But by that time everyone knew PM was better than Elway. His selection of drafted QB's and ones he's picked up are terrible.

I cannot imagine if he has that kind of ego he would not want to show he can succeed as a GM/President, as well.

Not easy to find a QB as the good ones do not often hit FA nor has he picked high in draft all that much....but he did have a chance at Josh Allen, didn't he?

 

[dtgold88]

No one said that he's never had a good game against a good team. But he's getting to the point where he will soon have enough starts that if you can still name the good games he's had against good teams...it's not a good thing.

I mean, I only had to go back all the way to last season in this instance. and what I said is true.....in those games his critics said "who cares, he lost".

None of this is to say he's the real deal. But too early to say he's not IMO. we'll know by end of season though, and, yes, he will have to play better against better comp.

I'd also add young QBs often play poorly against elite defenses and have trouble beating good teams. Many seem to like Josh allen a lot (and he's definitely a lot better than I thought) but wouldn't he fall in that category?

 

[Wamu]

I cannot imagine if he has that kind of ego he would not want to show he can succeed as a GM/President, as well.

Not easy to find a QB as the good ones do not often hit FA nor has he picked high in draft all that much....but he did have a chance at Josh Allen, didn't he?

Wasn't sure what pick Allen was, had to look it up. And you're correct. Elway could have drafted Allen (who went 7th). Instead with the 5th pick he took Bradley Chubb. Obviously the Broncos didn't need Allen. They already had Case Keenum.

 

[dtgold88]

The Dodgers and Kershaw the past several seasons have reminded me of those Braves teams.

Personally, I think the past 32 years have been the baseball gods making them pay for winning the World Series in '88 with arguably the least talented roster in World Series history. lol

I can't even believe you got to see it as I'm sure someone said "no chance" the season gets completed.

Congrats!!

 

[dtgold88]

Wasn't sure what pick Allen was, had to look it up. And you're correct. Elway could have drafted Allen (who went 7th). Instead with the 5th pick he took Bradley Chubb. Obviously the Broncos didn't need Allen. They already had Case Keenum.

Haha...Elway gave Keenum a lot of money after wasting a lot on Osweiler. Really is a disaster when it comes to QBs.

 

[Wamu]

Haha...Elway gave Keenum a lot of money after wasting a lot on Osweiler. Really is a disaster when it comes to QBs.

The best Elway story has to be when he sigend Joe Flacco and said he was just entering his prime. Now what kinda dumb bullshit is that? And outside of Von Miller I can't think of another good draft pick he's made. There's probably some. But I can't recall who.

 

[Black Adam]

The best Elway story has to be when he sigend Joe Flacco and said he was just entering his prime. Now what kinda dumb bullshit is that? And outside of Von Miller I can't think of another good draft pick he's made. There's probably some. But I can't recall who.

LMFAO @ Joe Sacco. last time the Chiefs played they made that fool eat a lotta grass...

 

[msgkings322]

Right?

I don’t think either deserves an asterisk, but if 1 were to get 1 it is the league that played a little more than a third of their regular season games and completely changed their playoff format.

Actually, in the Dodgers' case, the changes gave them no help. They were gonna get in as the 1 seed anyway, and they didn't get a real home field advantage. They had to play a 3 gamer in the first round which helps the underdog. They were the best team, and they finally got a ring.

I say that as a Giants fan and it makes me throw up but it's true. Dodgers are probably the best team since the late 90s Yankees.

 

[msgkings322]

The best Elway story has to be when he sigend Joe Flacco and said he was just entering his prime. Now what kinda dumb bullshit is that? And outside of Von Miller I can't think of another good draft pick he's made. There's probably some. But I can't recall who.

Great players almost never make good/great managers or GMs (see Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, etc)

 

[dtgold88]

Of course.

I also said stupid to put an asterisk on either.

you did but said moreso on Lakers and that's where I disagree. as mentioned, Dodgers had to play an extra round that was only 3 games which really gave the underdog a shot, especially in a sport like baseball.