Series Thread: NBA Finals: Warriors vs Cavaliers

[Shanemansj13]

"Us and Cleveland worked our butts off all year to put ourselves in position to be playing for a championship, and the league is as strong talentwise across the board as it's ever been," Curry said. "And every night you get challenged. ... Every night was hard. Every night was challenging, and you can't just sleepwalk through a season, sleepwalk through the playoffs and expect to be here. You've got to do something. You got to come out every night and prove yourself."


ROLFLMAO!!!!!!!! Who really believes all these yellow belly pussy team stackers? Come on guys.. No one believes you

You dont think they worked their ass of to here lol. I dont think you realize this is the most athletic league we have ever seen, the volume of 3's taken and made makes it almost impossible to guard at times. And yes, you taken these team and players for granted, they work really fuck hard. This is their JOB. You just show how ungrateful some fans really are, you just arent a real NBA fan, definitely not a true fan of Toronto if that's your team. Pathetic

 

[WiggyRuss]

I agree that it's not necessarily the weakest era, but it's among them. Weakest era isn't based on level of talent or athleticism, it's based on the overall competitiveness within the league. In other words, the number of teams that actually have a realistic shot at making the finals.

For the past 3 seasons, at least one of the teams that made the finals was considered a lock. The first season, the Cavs were considered a lock to come out of the East, GSW seemed to be a year or so early, so they were a mild surprise.

The past 2 seasons, there has been little to no doubt that the finalists would be the Cavs and Warriors. In the 80's, there was a lot of Lakers and Celtics finals, but there really wasn't a year where one or both were considered locks.

You really have to go back to the 50's and 60's to find an era where you had 1 or 2 teams who were so much better than everyone else that they were considered locks to make the finals for consecutive seasons.

As for it getting impossible to defend...that's as much about the rules being changed to create an advantage for the offense as it is about the players.

the first season the Cavs were considered a lock to come out of the East?

the Cavs were 19-20 at one point- the Hawks were on their way to winning 60+ games -and you picked the Hawks to beat them in the playoffs.

cmon now.

 

[Shanemansj13]

When compared to the early 2000s? THe current Celtics and Raptors would have been right there with the Nets and Sixers. The East was extremely weak back then.

Having one great team is better than having 0.

I think the argument here is semantical. But in 2001 and 2002, the West Finals was the NBA Finals. It was widely known that the East champ had no chance. If you take LeBron away, the current generation of East would be about the same. But, LeBron is there and healthy. So, I am not sure how anyone can say the East isn't better now.

Yeah the Lakers got to play the Sixers, the fucking Sixers. AI carried that team to the Finals. The East had a lot of pretty good teams back then but if there is one great team it does elrvate the conference.

 

[Shanemansj13]

the first season the Cavs were considered a lock to come out of the East?

the Cavs were 19-20 at one point- the Hawks were on their way to winning 60+ games -and you picked the Hawks to beat them in the playoffs.

cmon now.

Yep that's that "Superteam"

 

[tlance]

So that's your mistake then. Why get so defensive about it?

And yes, the East won the title 8 out of 10 times. The last time the league was dominated in that sort of way was in the 60's. So how was it not as great as some make it seem?

Well, if you had read the post you would have seen the context. It is pretty obvious I wasn't talking about the 90s if you look at the quote above.

The East wasn't great. The Pistons were very good and the Bulls were great. It is essentially the exact same argument in reverse that you keep making against LeBron. THe difference is, MJ had no rival team out West to challenge him either. LeBron has had 2.

If you take MJ away, the West likely wins almost, if not every single year after the Pistons run was over.

Oh wait, that happened in '94 and '95.

 

[Heatles84]

Read that comment again genius.

Take LeBron away and the East is exactly the same as it was in the early 2000s. A bunch of mediocre teams.

You may have mis-typed, but you said that it's actually better than it was in the early 90's. If you meant that, then I'd have to disagree.

 

[DorianRo]

You dont think they worked their ass of to here lol. I dont think you realize this is the most athletic league we have ever seen, the volume of 3's taken and made makes it almost impossible to guard at times. And yes, you taken these team and players for granted, they work really fuck hard. This is their JOB. You just show how ungrateful some fans really are, you just arent a real NBA fan, definitely not a true fan of Toronto if that's your team. Pathetic

As a team?? They have lost 1 game between them all post season long because they have so much more talent than any other team in the league, WHILE I might add, most of the teams they have played missing their best player/s.

If they really wanted to, they probably could have went UNDEFEATED ALL SEASON LONG or close to it. Maybe losing just 2-3 games all year.


So spare me the bullshit on how much they "worked their ass off". KD/Curry/Lebron live on EASY STREET compared to the rest of the league. The top 2 players have more supporting help than any other top players in the league.




And are you really trying to hype this league up? Thats comical man Im sorry. This is arguably the WORST the NBA has ever been (as if the playoffs this year wasn't enough to show us). Hardly anyone can even stay healthy and when 1 guy goes down, you got a team of talentless role players to pick up the slack.

Cavs/Warriors could play at 35 percent auto pilot and still beat 97-98 percent of the teams in this league as is.

And whole point of Taking the Easy way out and path of least resistance is so you don't have to work your ass off to see results, as the Two Yellow Belly COWARDS Lebron/KD have showed us

 

[tlance]

You may have mis-typed, but you said that it's actually better than it was in the early 90's. If you meant that, then I'd have to disagree.

I don't think that. The East was better in the 90s than today. But, none of those teams were good enough to seriously threaten the Bulls, just like nobody can threaten the Cavs today.

 

[Heatles84]

I don't think that. The East was better in the 90s than today. But, none of those teams were good enough to seriously threaten the Bulls, just like nobody can threaten the Cavs today.

I think in the last couple of years (since Lebron's been back in Cleveland) that the East has reached really weak levels. You're right, no team in the 90's was really going to take down the Bulls, but you did have the Knicks and Pacers throughout the 90's, and the Heat in the late 90's that were credible challenges.

In the Lebron Miami years, the Bulls, Pacers and Celtics were decent opponents. As a collective whole the East wasn't better than the West and still isn't. But I think it's the last couple of years where as you've mentioned, teams aren't really going out of there way to get better and give up assets down the line, because Lebron is still at his apex.

 

[DorianRo]

The 90s Magic, Late 90s Pacers and a few of those Knicks Teams could threaten and beat any team in the East today. They were NO Jokes.. Shaq would tear the living piss out of TT and probably put up 40ppg or close to it against the Cavs . And Penny would give them fits. Miller, Smitz, Ewing, etc.. would all give the Cavs fit. Those Pacers had length, Size, and talent and a ton of physical body bangers like the Davis boys. . They took the '98 Bulls 7.. No doubt they would probably beat the Cavs.

 

[DJ]

 

[DJ]

Long fucking wait till the Finals kick off....

 

[DJ]

There is a certain amount of truth to this.....

*Patiently waits for Cavs fans to get triggered*

 

[DorianRo]

Long fucking wait till the Finals kick off....

Its crazy, It should start right away in sequence like the rest of the playoffs do. Why should the finals participants get all this free time, preparation off when you dont get that earlier in the playoff? Other teams usually dont get that luxury

 

[DJ]

I agreed with Dorian.......take my temp, I may be sick.

 

[DorianRo]

Lets get on with it..

NBA 2017 Finals: "The Battle of the 2 Yellow Belly Coward Creampuffs who take the path of least Resistance"


What Yellow Belly COWARD prevails?

 

[tlance]

The 90s Magic, Late 90s Pacers and a few of those Knicks Teams could threaten and beat any team in the East today. They were NO Jokes.. Shaq would tear the living piss out of TT and probably put up 40ppg or close to it against the Cavs . And Penny would give them fits. Miller, Smitz, Ewing, etc.. would all give the Cavs fit. Those Pacers had length, Size, and talent and a ton of physical body bangers like the Davis boys. . They took the '98 Bulls 7.. No doubt they would probably beat the Cavs.

The '98 Bulls were by far the weakest of all the Bull teams. This year's Cavs would beat them. Jordan was 35 at the time. While he was still the best player in the league, 35 year old Jordan is not better than 32 year old LeBron. Pippen was starting to have back issues that plagued the rest of his career. He was noticeably hampered in the playoffs that year. He never again averaged more than 14.5 PPG the rest of his career and only once played more than 64 games. The Bulls were running on fumes at the end of game 6 against the Jazz. Had Jordan not pulled off his heroic final minute, they would have almost surely lost game 7. Utah was good, but not great.

Of the other teams that you mentioned? Yes, they are all better than anybody LeBron played this year, but not better than the Pacers or Celtics from LeBron's Heat days. The Shaq/Penny Magic would have been interesting, but they never hit their full stride. They were just babes when Hakeem ruined them in '95 and then Penny started having injury issues and Shaq left the following year.

 

[msgkings322]

Speaking of superteams, was there any team more super than that 1992 Dream Team? And was that not fun to watch? Or even later Olympics, those are all superteams especially from the US. Are we saying we don't enjoy those games?

This year the 2 superteams cut through the rest of the league like the Dream Team, and now face each other in what looks to be a very entertaining series. This is bad how?

 

[DorianRo]

The '98 Bulls were by far the weakest of all the Bull teams. This year's Cavs would beat them. Jordan was 35 at the time. While he was still the best player in the league, 35 year old Jordan is not better than 32 year old LeBron. Pippen was starting to have back issues that plagued the rest of his career. He was noticeably hampered in the playoffs that year. He never again averaged more than 14.5 PPG the rest of his career and only once played more than 64 games. The Bulls were running on fumes at the end of game 6 against the Jazz. Had Jordan not pulled off his heroic final minute, they would have almost surely lost game 7. Utah was good, but not great.

Of the other teams that you mentioned? Yes, they are all better than anybody LeBron played this year, but not better than the Pacers or Celtics from LeBron's Heat days. The Shaq/Penny Magic would have been interesting, but they never hit their full stride. They were just babes when Hakeem ruined them in '95 and then Penny started having injury issues and Shaq left the following year.

1998 Bulls were the weakest but what basis do you give the Cavs in beating them? MJ is still MJ even if hes 35. Even with AN injured Pippen, you still got Rodman,Kerr, Kukoc etc. out there. .. And this lousy Celtics team missing their best player took a game from the Cavs and and gave them a host of fits the next game until the end..

I dont think the cavs are guaranteed by any means in beating the '98 Bulls (even if they were the weakest of all of them). As long as Jordan is on the court.... NOTHING is guaranteed

 

[DorianRo]

Speaking of superteams, was there any team more super than that 1992 Dream Team? And was that not fun to watch? Or even later Olympics, those are all superteams especially from the US. Are we saying we don't enjoy those games?

This year the 2 superteams cut through the rest of the league like the Dream Team, and now face each other in what looks to be a very entertaining series. This is bad how?

Nah.... You'll never see a collection of talent like that assembled on one team again