Morris Claiborne

[Manster7588]

I think Romo will be a Cowboys as long as he wants.

I think you're wrong. I don't think he sees the final two years of this contract. Maybe he sees 2018 but I doubt it. I really doubt he sees 2019.

 

[snookdad]

As much as I like Romo if he can't take us to the playoffs and have some success ( maybe 3 wins in a 2 year window) he should be gone in 2 years regardless of the circumstance. Romo has been here long enough he needs to win badly to justify moving forward with his contract imo.

 

[Manster7588]

As much as I like Romo if he can't take us to the playoffs and have some success ( maybe 3 wins in a 2 year window) he should be gone in 2 years regardless of the circumstance. Romo has been here long enough he needs to win badly to justify moving forward with his contract imo.

Cap wise he has to be here 3 more seasons.

 

[jarntt]

If we keep restructuring him he may see 2029!!!

 

[snookdad]

Cap wise he has to be here 3 more seasons.

3 years it is then, when that 3 yrs are up if the teams success hasn't vastly improved he's got go.

 

[Manster7588]

If we keep restructuring him he may see 2029!!!

LOL. Maybe. But restructuring 12M into a bonus will mean Romo will be owed 40M over the final 2 years, and his cap hit for those 2 years will be 7.5M. You do the math. Romo won't be the QB in 2018.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Cap wise he has to be here 3 more seasons.

Not so much true bro

Year Base S. Bonus Misc. Cap Hit Dead
2013 1,500,000 5,000,000 5,318,833 11,818,833 53,499,833
2014 1,000,000 5,000,000 5,773,000 11,773,000 41,681,000
2015 17,000,000 5,000,000 5,773,000 27,773,000 19,908,000
2016 8,500,000 5,000,000 4,135,000 17,635,000 11,635,000
2017 14,000,000 5,000,000 2,500,000 21,500,000 5,000,000
2018 19,500,000 - 2,500,000 22,000,000 -
2019 20,500,000 - - 20,500,000 -


$40 million guaranteed (Signing Bonus + 2013-14 base salaries)
If on the roster 3rd league day of 2014, $7.5M of 2015 guarantees
If on the roster 3rd league day of 2015, additional $7.5M of 2015 guarantees
2014 Restructure: $12.5 million

I'll go into the contract a little later when I get home tonight, have to hurry and leave.

 

[Manster7588]

Not so much true bro

Year Base S. Bonus Misc. Cap Hit Dead
2013 1,500,000 5,000,000 5,318,833 11,818,833 53,499,833
2014 1,000,000 5,000,000 5,773,000 11,773,000 41,681,000
2015 17,000,000 5,000,000 5,773,000 27,773,000 19,908,000
2016 8,500,000 5,000,000 4,135,000 17,635,000 11,635,000
2017 14,000,000 5,000,000 2,500,000 21,500,000 5,000,000
2018 19,500,000 - 2,500,000 22,000,000 -
2019 20,500,000 - - 20,500,000 -


$40 million guaranteed (Signing Bonus + 2013-14 base salaries)
If on the roster 3rd league day of 2014, $7.5M of 2015 guarantees
If on the roster 3rd league day of 2015, additional $7.5M of 2015 guarantees
2014 Restructure: $12.5 million

I'll go into the contract a little later when I get home tonight, have to hurry and leave.

well per over the cap we have a cap savings of -1.5M in 2016, meaning it will cost more to release him. I don't see any other option than Romo in Dallas through at least 2016. Pause if he's restructured again in 15 his the same cap loss will be even higher.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

well per over the cap we have a cap savings of -1.5M in 2016, meaning it will cost more to release him. I don't see any other option than Romo in Dallas through at least 2016. Pause if he's restructured again in 15 his the same cap loss will be even higher.

Over the cap is taking into consideration that Romo will be on the team come the 3rd day of the 2015 league year. Trust me on this, the contract is a little more complicated than it looks. I'll break it down tonight when I get in. Headed to the gym, be home and situated in like 2 hours.

 

[Manster7588]

Over the cap is taking into consideration that Romo will be on the team come the 3rd day of the 2015 league year. Trust me on this, the contract is a little more complicated than it looks. I'll break it down tonight when I get in. Headed to the gym, be home and situated in like 2 hours.

Screw the gym. Being in shape is overrated, break the contract down now.

Just kidding. Have a good workout.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Screw the gym. Being in shape is overrated, break the contract down now.

Just kidding. Have a good workout.

Lol I use to think so then I realized that running fast, dunking a basketball, and not getting winded just wasn't coming so easy as I got older lol. So to the gym I go lol.

So to the Romo contract, the fact of cutting Romo in 2015 won't happen because of the structure of the contract; however you do have the ability to cut Romo in 2016 after June 1st. This is one crazy contract, if I am understanding it correctly, basically 15MM of Romo's 17MM base will be guaranteed in 2015 by the 3rd day of the new league year. In other words you can only restructure 2MM since all other money would pretty much be guaranteed. For the most part that means that Romo's dead money in 2015 will be near 45MM if cut, not going to happen!!!!! Now on to 2016 to cut Romo here before June 1 would cost us a -1.5MM; however June 1 cut would create 8.5MM in 2016 and would carry over 10MM in dead money onto 2017 cap; but would clear up 11.5MM in 2017, 22MM in 2018, and 20.5MM in 2019.

If I am thinking correctly and please forgive me if I am wrong, the Cowboys made this contract so that they could not restructure Romo's contract in 2015. This is the main reason why the Cowboys have not used the about 7MM in space they currently have. The plan is to carry as much of this money over next season so that it will give them more space to work with next year.

If you look at TSmith as an 11.5MM cap hit next year, and estimate that Dez will probably avg between 10-12MM a season on his new contract with a low cap number next year at probably around 6MM or so, you have 43 players on the roster at about 136MM for 2015. Now here is the good news. Of those 43 players Free, Orton, and Melton all have team options. Lets look at the probable side of it and say that Melton will be on the team, and now you have no Orton and no Free picked up, which now leaves you with 41 players at about 127MM for the 2015 season.

With an estimated cap of 150 you have 23MM to fill you roster. Now understand your rookie class from this year will add probably another 8MM to next years cap number but leave you with about 10 extra players next season, meaning you now have about 15MM with 51 players on your team. Plenty of money to fill a roster without restructuring anyone correct? I would say yes, and this is without the carry over from 2014, which is looking like it could be around 5MM or so.

To the tough part, the cuts, which play a role in 2015 and 2016:

1.) If Escobar steps up you could see Witten cut to save an additional 3MM in 2015 and 7.5MM in 2016
2.) If Mo can step up he can make Carr a player to be cut, although I think the team would think twice about it if Carr steps his play up; but more than likely a cut pre June 1 to save about 500k in 2015 and 14MM in 2016

These cuts only give us about 3.5MM in cap space in 2015; but more importantly about 21MM in 2016 worth of space, which would give us a projected cap number of about 105MM in 2016 which includes a Dez contract, TSmith contract, and two rookie classes (14' and 15') with about 37 players on the roster. If we project the cap to 157MM then you have about 52MM in space to fill your roster. You now can cut Romo and take the 19MM in dead money meaning now you have about 50MM in space to fill your roster including getting a new QB; however you now have no dead money on any future years with Romo. Or you could always cut Romo June 1 and carry over the money I listed from above onto 2017 cap, which would be pointless.

In other words by 2016 with good drafting we will not only be out of cap hell; but MAJOR players in FA if they stick to this model. Of course with the new league rules the majority of that 50MM that I say the team could have come 2016 would be spent on FA and locking up your own players. An outlook for the 2016 FA class of players that would help during this projection:

QB
Luck
RG3
Tannehill
Cousins
Foles

You could over pay for a guy like Luck now, although the Colts probably would tag him even though as of now they only have 16 players with about 60MM cap number in 2016. Well how about a RG3 or a Cousins, you would have to think the Skins will let one go, maybe the Fins let go of Tannehill since they have 26 players at about 105MM in 2016, or maybe Philly lets Foles go since they have about 26 players at about 92MM in 2016. The point is this, moving on from Romo if played right should not only be the plan, but what will happen come 2016. BTW if you set yourself up with two more good drafts for D, would you not give up the 2 first round picks it took to get a Luck? You put yourself in position to overpay for a guy like this by sticking to a plan as such. You could easily give Luck 7 years 140MM with a first year hit of 25MM or more so that the Colts couldn't match and now you still have an estimated 25MM to fix up the roster even more with a young franchise QB, a Dez, TWill, Escobar, TSmith and Frederick, Melton and rebuilt DL, Lee and rebuilt LB corps, and Scandrick and Church with rebuilt secondary. Which leaves you with 12 major roles to fill including nickle cb. If you can get 6 starters out of the next two drafts, you then have only 6 major positions to fill with about 25MM of cap. Once again this should be the plan.

I would like to say this is a model of what I believe should happen, not what exactly will happen. The cap has not been set, nor do I know which players will be in Dallas this year as rookies and fa's nor next year. Just figure I'd toss something out there to project what the team could be; however this could all be wrong and Jerry does not stick to the plan of draft well, don't overpay in FA, and limit your restructures.

 

[jarntt]

Way too long for me to read. I only got through most of paragraph two!!! two points on what you covered there: If I remember, $7.5M of the 2015 contract became guaranteed already on the 3rd day of the 2014 league year and $7.5M of the 2016 contract becomes guaranteed on the 3rd day of the 2015 league year (not $15M of the 2015 contract as of the 3rd day of that same year). So I think your dead money in 2015 is $7.5M too high. 2016 dead money - $26.635M. Unallocated bonus money plus $7.5M for being on the roster on the 3rd day of the 2015 league year. Pre-June 1st of 2016 the cap hit would be $9.135M plus $7.5M as of today, but once we restructure him in 2015 it goes way up.

Also, you can convert that guaranteed salary ($7.5M per year) to a bonus since we already did that with Romo in this contract in 2013 and 2014, pay it immediately and thus spread out the cap hit. So when Romo is on the team as of the 3rd day of 2015 year (which he will be) and we then restructure him (which we will do) he basically will become uncuttable in 2016 also. Get used to #9. He's here for a while unless injury renders him unplayable...

 

[Manster7588]

I can't see Romo being released prior to 2016 because of the remaining bonus he counts for. My math says 20M will be the bonus hit. Granted it will be spread over two years, but it will still be 10 a year average.

 

[jarntt]

Way too long for me to read. I only got through most of paragraph two!!! two points on what you covered there: If I remember, $7.5M of the 2015 contract became guaranteed already on the 3rd day of the 2014 league year and $7.5M of the 2016 contract becomes guaranteed on the 3rd day of the 2015 league year (not $15M of the 2015 contract as of the 3rd day of that same year). So I think your dead money in 2015 is $7.5M too high. 2016 dead money - $26.635M. Unallocated bonus money plus $7.5M for being on the roster on the 3rd day of the 2015 league year. Pre-June 1st of 2016 the cap hit would be $9.135M plus $7.5M as of today, but once we restructure him in 2015 it goes way up.

Also, you can convert that guaranteed salary ($7.5M per year) to a bonus since we already did that with Romo in this contract in 2013 and 2014, pay it immediately and thus spread out the cap hit. So when Romo is on the team as of the 3rd day of 2015 year (which he will be) and we then restructure him (which we will do) he basically will become uncuttable in 2016 also. Get used to #9. He's here for a while unless injury renders him unplayable...

Meant to say POST 6/1 cap hit on the above, not Pre...

 

[es4m11]

bump

 

[PDay8810]

"Injury will always be part of the game & unpredictable"


copy that....hate the labels people put on players.


funniest to me has always been #1 or #2 receiver

I enter the picture with a comment about labels people put on players

 

[PDay8810]

Sean Lee: Injury Prone -- This is not disputable

you go on the attack with a label and pounding what is disputable

 

[PDay8810]

Tony Romo: Choke Artist -- Hard to debate that one, too

stir pot...no takers?

 

[PDay8810]

you're a troll - totally indisputable

scotty must not count.
Who you looking for??

 

[PDay8810]

sure it is....chronic hamstrings like Austin fits but not acl, neck ligaments and the like for Lee. Lee is a tough SOB that does everything he can to play. Least to me he is but you go ahead and define all you want. I could care less about changing your opinion.

my response to your aggression