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[vancelot23]

BJGE has never fumbled the ball...period. Recovered by his own team or another. He hasn't put it on the ground.

 

[vancelot23]

Here you go:

BenJarvus Green-Ellis NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

If you can comprehend the info, it's there.

 

[vancelot23]

Also, I said Atkins had a better year than Suh. Read much?

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Except one is a proven receiver out of the backfield.

WHO GIVES A F!!

We have Green, we will have another good #2 WR on their way, Shipley, Hawkins, Leonard, Gresham. He is not going to be getting 30+ receptions, because he is not going to be thrown to that much regardless. He will get an occassional catch and be targeted once in a while. No one has ever doubted his hands, he just hasn't been thrown the ball much.

We do not need a Ray Rice who is going to get 50+ catches a season. We need a good solid RB who can run between the tackles and gain 1 yard on 3rd and 1. We need a guy who is not going to nearly fumble the game away in the closing quarter. We need a guy not constantly tackled behind the line of scrimmage. Of of which Green-Ellis is really good at. He is not goign to break one off for 50+ yards for a big TD, but he will be a grinder, and a LOS mover. He will only be targeted for a pass out of the backfield every once in w hile, so the BACKS ARE BASICALLY IDENTICAL!! It does not matter, don't you understand that shit?

 

[vancelot23]

Except one is a proven receiver out of the backfield.

You're overstating this so badly it's comical.

 

[ckhokie]

So if we had signed anyone of merit, and they are average players, but have WAY BEYOND average contracts, now we are stuck with them for a while and can't make other moves to save guys we want to sign.

AJ Green is going to get 80+ million dollars when he resigns.

Dalton is going to get 60+ million.

Atkins is going to get 50+ million.

Those are some big ass contracts upcoming in a couple years, and next year we have to be at 99% cap spending, so contracts have to be structured properly to make sure these three guys get paid, while accounting for having to spend right up to the cap basically. There will be next to no wiggle room, guys will have to be dropped to allow for these contracts, and if you want to make sure you sign your stars, you have to move around a bit like this.

FILLER, not big ass stars. You sign a mega contract in FA when you need ONE DAMN PLAYER to get you ready for a big run. You do not sign mega contracts if you need a ton of roster spots filled. Not replaced, but filled. We have a ton of free agents this year.

Dalton, Green, and Atkins aren't keeping us from signing a WR like Eddie Royal or Josh Morgan who could be had cheaply, are versatile (as Royal can return) and are definite upgrades to what we have now.

The 'we will spend money in the future' argument is bullshit because of this, and the fact that knowing MB's track record, how sure are we that we'll even end up resigning these guys? JJ was our best player on D, we had the money, and still let him walk.

 

[vancelot23]

This is a fallacy as pointed out many times. We offered JJ as good a deal as Houston. He wanted a chance to win and left anyway.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Dalton, Green, and Atkins aren't keeping us from signing a WR like Eddie Royal or Josh Morgan who could be had cheaply, are versatile (as Royal can return) and are definite upgrades to what we have now.

The 'we will spend money in the future' argument is bullshit because of this, and the fact that knowing MB's track record, how sure are we that we'll even end up resigning these guys? JJ was our best player on D, we had the money, and still let him walk.

I would rather have a potential superstar over there like a Kendall Wright than an overpaid veteran WR that doesn't bring much to the offense.

Eddie Royal has gone downhill every single year pretty much since being in the league, and had all of 19 receptions last year in Denver.

Josh Morgan has never done anything, he is no better than Jermoe Simpson and I don't even think he is that good.

Since we didn't over pay on Meachum, we need to replace our #2 WR in the draft in teh 1st round, plain and simple. A washed up or never has been veteran WR is not going to help us at all. Now you are just requesting people to be signed for the sake of signing guys, which doesn't help the team at all.

 

[ckhokie]

This is a fallacy as pointed out many times. We offered JJ as good a deal as Houston. He wanted a chance to win and left anyway.

It's not a fallacy. We all know the bengals don't get players because they don't offer enough. We have all stated this plenty of times before that we have to offer more than other teams for the reason that a)we suck and b) our ownership sucks. Money talks. If the money was there, he would be a Bengal.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Dalton, Green, and Atkins aren't keeping us from signing a WR like Eddie Royal or Josh Morgan who could be had cheaply, are versatile (as Royal can return) and are definite upgrades to what we have now.

The 'we will spend money in the future' argument is bullshit because of this, and the fact that knowing MB's track record, how sure are we that we'll even end up resigning these guys? JJ was our best player on D, we had the money, and still let him walk.

It is not bullshit, because you have to align the contracts you want gone with the time in which you need the money for your stars, because when you are goign to be forced to spend 99% of teh cap, you are goign to have zero wiggle room to all of a sudden add 200 million in salary to your payroll for 3 guys.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

It's not a fallacy. We all know the bengals don't get players because they don't offer enough. We have all stated this plenty of times before that we have to offer more than other teams for the reason that a)we suck and b) our ownership sucks. Money talks. If the money was there, he would be a Bengal.

We offered the same contract, with a million less in guaranteed money, but the same overall. He chose Houston. Mike Brown is not going to spend more money than any other team just because we do not have a great reputation. That is a fault of Mike Brown, it makes him cheap yes, but you hardly ever find Mike Brown sign a contract that comes back to saddle the team financially.

 

[ckhokie]

It is not bullshit, because you have to align the contracts you want gone with the time in which you need the money for your stars, because when you are goign to be forced to spend 99% of teh cap, you are goign to have zero wiggle room to all of a sudden add 200 million in salary to your payroll for 3 guys.

I understand what you're saying, but I still think this is a cop-out in terms of the Bengals. There ARE guys out there we could (cheaply) afford to pay and would be upgrades, but we're not.

And with the fact that there is absolutely zero guarantee that we will make competitive offers to these guys (as we have blatantly showed we're not willing to do in the past), I have no idea how you can defend this and we're just not going to agree on it.

 

[ckhokie]

We offered the same contract, with a million less in guaranteed money, but the same overall. He chose Houston. Mike Brown is not going to spend more money than any other team just because we do not have a great reputation. That is a fault of Mike Brown, it makes him cheap yes, but you hardly ever find Mike Brown sign a contract that comes back to saddle the team financially.

It is his fault, yet HE is the only one who can change that reputation, and is doing nothing to do so.

We really haven't recently been 'saddled financially' by one players contract, and we had the money to pay him. If a million or 2 more a year would have kept a (proven) pro bowler that we drafted, here, at some point you have to make some concessions in order to change that reputation, or else this problem will go on in perpetuity.

 

[ckhokie]

What is going to happen when some other team offers AJ the same contract with more guaranteed money? You think he will magically stay with the bengals, too?

The only way the stigma of the cheap, shit bengals is going to change, is if Mikey opens the purse a little bit and incites guys to stay. JJ was the perfect opportunity to do so.

This has been an issue for a long time with the bengals in FA. How do you propose we fix it other than showing guys the bengals really want them aside from money? Baking a cake isn't going to do it.

 

[kramer1]

I think you're all a bunch of fucking whiners.

Carry on.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

What is going to happen when some other team offers AJ the same contract with more guaranteed money? You think he will magically stay with the bengals, too?

The only way the stigma of the cheap, shit bengals is going to change, is if Mikey opens the purse a little bit and incites guys to stay. JJ was the perfect opportunity to do so.

This has been an issue for a long time with the bengals in FA. How do you propose we fix it other than showing guys the bengals really want them aside from money? Baking a cake isn't going to do it.

Other teams will not be able to afford superstars outside their organization too much after this year, because everyone will be up against the salary cap minus the players they are losing in FA. So whatever the value of the players lost is all they will have to spend. Unless they lose a superstar making tons of money, they will have little to no room to sign opposing teams FA superstars either.

 

[flamingrey]

You're overstating this so badly it's comical.

Sproles and Rice both had 700 receiving yards. Foster had 600 yards (missed a couple games).

After that, you have LT and Fred Jackson who both missed some games in the mid 400's.

Then there's Tolbert, Thomas, Bush, and CJ all around 425.

And this is in a season where he only started half the season. In 3 games while McFadden was healthy, Bush had 0 yards receiving, and in a 4th where McFadden was healthy, he had 9 yards receiving.

Me-thinks I am not "overstating this so badly".

Sorry.

 

[vancelot23]

You are. Badly. But carry on. It's quite entertaining.

 

[flamingrey]

This is a fallacy as pointed out many times. We offered JJ as good a deal as Houston. He wanted a chance to win and left anyway.

Wrong. As Crash pointed out, it was a lesser deal.

You're probably right though. Joseph didn't care about the money, he just wanted to go to a team that had never made the playoffs before. Ever.

LOL.

 

[vancelot23]

Hey genius. The Texans MADE the playoffs and BEAT the Bengald there. It was also widely believed that he left in large part NOT because of money but to go to a team with a better shot at winning. You're hilarious today. Please post more nonsense.