Mike Shanahan

[SoCalWizFan]

Steve Sarkisian
Lovie Smith
Ken Whisenhunt
Jack Del Rio
Josh Freeman
Joe Theismann
Jay Schroeder
Mark Rypien
Mark May

I say Rypien but only if he makes his daughter the Offensive Coordinator...

 

[Lonewate44]

Not many times in my life have I said this...or felt this...but LASt night I was embarrased to be a SKins Fan!!! This team did NOT show up....The Oline was Horendious...The Play calling was just as bad.....Hey Kyle.....ever hear of a roll out pass, with a couple bloeckers out ther to protect the qb...Oh yeah...you did it with Cousins last year, but refuse to call them for RGIII....

The Defense was Terrible...Wilso single handedly made Kapernick look like a studd QB....He was pretty much on every receiver that couaght a pass last nite.....I love how they know the niners need 5 yards...are famous for the 3 step drop hit the slant for 6 yards, and give a 12 yard cushion..Good Coaching there....HAslett is beyond terrible, and needed to go LAST year.....Needs to go this year too...

Special teams...nothing special about our teams thats for sure.....

I was never a huge Shanny guy when hired, but once he was I have supported him..He did do some good things, but this team has no direction.....


Time for him to go, and I would hope the "outsiders" dont bash Snyder for axing him...Shannahan has made that decision to cut him loose a very easy one.....


Earlier it was asked who do you want for a coach......

my 2 cents:
Jon Gruden (who I wanted last time!!!!)
Lovie Smith... The guy is a great coach....took some of Bears teams to the playoffs, Hell he got a Rex Grossman lead team to the Super Bowl......The man can coach and the players love him.....Bring in that Definsinve swagger, and get the brightest offensive mind in to run the O...... He was 10-6 and got fired!!!

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Not many times in my life have I said this...or felt this...but LASt night I was embarrased to be a SKins Fan!!! This team did NOT show up....The Oline was Horendious...The Play calling was just as bad.....Hey Kyle.....ever hear of a roll out pass, with a couple bloeckers out ther to protect the qb...Oh yeah...you did it with Cousins last year, but refuse to call them for RGIII....

The Defense was Terrible...Wilso single handedly made Kapernick look like a studd QB....He was pretty much on every receiver that couaght a pass last nite.....I love how they know the niners need 5 yards...are famous for the 3 step drop hit the slant for 6 yards, and give a 12 yard cushion..Good Coaching there....HAslett is beyond terrible, and needed to go LAST year.....Needs to go this year too...

Special teams...nothing special about our teams thats for sure.....

I was never a huge Shanny guy when hired, but once he was I have supported him..He did do some good things, but this team has no direction.....


Time for him to go, and I would hope the "outsiders" dont bash Snyder for axing him...Shannahan has made that decision to cut him loose a very easy one.....


Earlier it was asked who do you want for a coach......

my 2 cents:
Jon Gruden (who I wanted last time!!!!)
Lovie Smith... The guy is a great coach....took some of Bears teams to the playoffs, Hell he got a Rex Grossman lead team to the Super Bowl......The man can coach and the players love him.....Bring in that Definsinve swagger, and get the brightest offensive mind in to run the O...... He was 10-6 and got fired!!!

I don't necessarily have a problem with your choices (or other ones). However - if/when Shanahan is gone - I say hire a true GM/Personnel Guy (whatever you want to call him) & let that guy hire the next coach. That scenario would probably work best & take a lot of the heat off Snyder.

 

[Lonewate44]

I don't necessarily have a problem with your choices (or other ones). However - if/when Shanahan is gone - I say hire a true GM/Personnel Guy (whatever you want to call him) & let that guy hire the next coach. That scenario would probably work best & take a lot of the heat off Snyder.

Im ok with that.......

Curious........cant Allen do that?// wasnt that his position with Tamp...The GM...that assembled a team Gruden took to the SB?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

From today's WP column by Boswell:

That, unfortunately, fits Haslett’s pattern. As either a defensive coordinator or NFL head coach, his last 12 defenses since 2001 have had these gruesome rankings in points allowed: 31st this season, 22, 21, 21, 31, 31, 28, 28, 27, 14, 26 and 27. One mediocre defense, three poor and the rest lousy out of his last 12. Even if his players are bad, wow.

Spin it any way you like - this guy's track record is horrible. Why does Shanahan keep defending this guy? You can reference cap penalties, injuries, RG3 or whatever - did similar things also occur during his other 10 seasons? Sound like excuses to me. Haslett & Burns should be wearing masks & carrying guns each time they get their paychecks.

 

[Sharkinva]

where was this over the summer or last season ? or in the playoff game when shanny was shelled for keeping him in ?

this is complete BS . more like front running

you are smart enough shark to know that young qbs go through growing pains . you also know that the injury has hurt him in so many areas with developing

and there is no way that RG3 is anywhere near as bad as those qbs you mentioned . now you are just being foolish

in fact 3/4 's of the NFL would love to have an RG3

Didnt quite answer the question. What makes him a franchise QB?? I know the term is floated around. But alot of guys have been called a franchise QB. Whats the litmus test??

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Im ok with that.......

Curious........cant Allen do that?// wasnt that his position with Tamp...The GM...that assembled a team Gruden took to the SB?

Bruce Allen: Neither the Problem Nor the Solution (Which is a Problem) - Hogs Haven

Here is a pretty good article about the situation. If it actually was Allen who pulled the trigger on the McNabb trade then I say no thanks to him being actual GM. I just see problems with some of these guys who had success a relatively long time ago. They start to lose their touch & let ego & other factors get in the way. I would much rather see some younger blood both in terms of a GM and coach.

 

[j_y19]

Didnt quite answer the question. What makes him a franchise QB?? I know the term is floated around. But alot of guys have been called a franchise QB. Whats the litmus test??

Putting the team on his back and carrying them to the playoffs makes a franchise QB. A player that makes all of those around him better than they would normally be. Kinda like RG3 did last year.

So the question is, if he did it once, can he recover and do it again? For me, his poor play is all related to his injury and recovery (which is not complete). I think the guy needs an off season of focus and training away from all of the media distractions. Get back to basics. I still have no doubts that he can again be a franchise QB. My bigger concern is who he is listening to and does he realize that he is not a complete NFL qb yet. Are those in his inner circle telling him what he wants to hear or what he needs to hear? I'm also concerned who will be his coach next year. This also concerns me about Morris. Morris excels in the zone blocking running scheme. Not many coaches employ that scheme. If a new coach come in and changes that up, how does that affect Morris?

 

[Lonewate44]

Putting the team on his back and carrying them to the playoffs makes a franchise QB. A player that makes all of those around him better than they would normally be. Kinda like RG3 did last year.

So the question is, if he did it once, can he recover and do it again? For me, his poor play is all related to his injury and recovery (which is not complete). I think the guy needs an off season of focus and training away from all of the media distractions. Get back to basics. I still have no doubts that he can again be a franchise QB. My bigger concern is who he is listening to and does he realize that he is not a complete NFL qb yet. Are those in his inner circle telling him what he wants to hear or what he needs to hear? I'm also concerned who will be his coach next year. This also concerns me about Morris. Morris excels in the zone blocking running scheme. Not many coaches employ that scheme. If a new coach come in and changes that up, how does that affect Morris?

Agree that He did put the team on his back and carried them, and that makes him a Franchise QB....

AS far as Morris.....I believe he will excell in any system...you find the hole and hit it.....when it isnt there, you put your head down and get what you can.....no matter what, you see a hole...cut to it....I have the utmost respect for alfred and think he will be just fine!!!

 

[j_y19]

Agree that He did put the team on his back and carried them, and that makes him a Franchise QB....

AS far as Morris.....I believe he will excell in any system...you find the hole and hit it.....when it isnt there, you put your head down and get what you can.....no matter what, you see a hole...cut to it....I have the utmost respect for alfred and think he will be just fine!!!

I also have the utmost respect for Morris (see my avatar). But we could get a coach in here like Andy Reid. He had McCoy for all those years and never used him. He was pass happy. Every coach is different and you just never know what they value.

 

[Sharkinva]

Putting the team on his back and carrying them to the playoffs makes a franchise QB. A player that makes all of those around him better than they would normally be. Kinda like RG3 did last year.

So the question is, if he did it once, can he recover and do it again? For me, his poor play is all related to his injury and recovery (which is not complete). I think the guy needs an off season of focus and training away from all of the media distractions. Get back to basics. I still have no doubts that he can again be a franchise QB. My bigger concern is who he is listening to and does he realize that he is not a complete NFL qb yet. Are those in his inner circle telling him what he wants to hear or what he needs to hear? I'm also concerned who will be his coach next year. This also concerns me about Morris. Morris excels in the zone blocking running scheme. Not many coaches employ that scheme. If a new coach come in and changes that up, how does that affect Morris?

J-Y thanks for answering and not trying to spin it too much.

I think what is missing is consistent elevated play level before you can call some one a franchise QB. Heck plenty of QBs have had good spurts that made the team think they had something special only to be fooled. I think Griffin is being given the term because right now we have to stick with him. But if not for the investment, he would have been benched a month ago. Or at the least, Shanahan would have opened up the job competition.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I was somewhat on the fence on this one, but this is really getting ridiculous. For all the Shanahan backers on this board (that perhaps label anyone who suggests getting rid of coaches is an idiot and/or fair weather fan) please just tell me something - anything - that Shanahan has done THIS SEASON to warrant his return. It is as if all the benefits of last season have been negated and then some. I realize he did some good things overall including last season but even there his overall record is not good & you can't blame everything on the cap sanctions.

The star QB has regressed in a major way. He will still probably recover to do go things in the future (I guess), but it will take a lot of work from him and the coaches (perhaps a different set up coaches). There are also huge problems in all areas for this team. They appear to have no control over this team and passion seems to be minimal at best.

There are very, very few positives for this team at this time. Ask yourself - if you were not a Redskins fan & looking on this from the outside how would you handle these coaches. Very, very frustrating.

I may not be a good outside view point because I'm not a Shanahan guy really...1st yr production was great, but I think trying to cater the OFC to RG3's college skillset did more to set him back as a pro QB than anything.

 

[Lonewate44]

After what I saw last nite.....if it continues that way you have to Fire Shanny.....

Now if they play better..look like a team that wants to play.....Ok keep him but you do the following.....


Mike.....you will get that last year of your contract to prove you deserve a new contract after year five.......however.....to do that you will:


1) Fire jim Hasslett and replace him with......ME Lonewate44...I could do as bad as he is for much less the cost......replace him with anyone and they cant do worse

2) fire the ST coach....replace him with ....ME Lonewate44...i could do as bad as him for much less the cost.....replace him with someone that knows what they are doing...

3) I know you wont Fire your son...so tell Kyle to you know....learn to call good games again, ....call the games liek he did in Houston.....Roll the pocket....be creative.........

if mike refuses to do any of the above.....Can him


My choices
Gruden...he was my choice last time and is still my choice this time
Lovie Hell he took a bears team lead by Rex Freaking Grossman to the superbowl..his team were always competative....he was fired after going 10-6!!!

Dont want Cowher.......Definetly not DEl Rio.......he took a broconcs team that had a huge lead in NE and figured out how to lose it...He is a Terrible head coach....

No Ken Wisenhunt either...He is TERRIBLE!!!

 

[ATL96Steeler]

HATE THIS THREAD, but I get why it's here.

Don't think it's smart to not give Shanny the full 5 years. But if he's lost the locker room and the remaining games look like this, we'll be running him out of town. It's who we are as a franchise. I thought we were past that. Weve tried a college guy, weve tried an experienced guy, weve tried shitty guys - each brings a complete start over and puts us back 3 years. Cant we just stick it out for once for the full 5? The biggest annoyance is that I haven't heard ANY good replacements for him that make any real sense yet. Gruden and Cowher are too many years out.

And it MAY be Shanny walking. Why does he need to put up with this BS media market? Fact is , there are teams that would kill to have him as a HC, much as some would like to hammer him as a terrible one. He hasn't been incredible but he's done a lot of good things too.

Bottom line, win/loss ratio is hard to defend after 4 years, if the rest of the games look as grim as tonite did. I just hope we choose a coach(s) who MAKES sense, if that happens, for the core group we already have. Not just blow it all up and set this franchise back, AGAIN.

I'm not going to say it's all on Mike, but a lot of former players have come out publicly against him...you really don't see that much from a coach of his stature.

The biggest reason I would make a change is because I wouldn't ask him to fire his son...yet I don't think the OFC they're running is good for the health of the QB that you guys spent a small fortune for...he got a lot of mileage out of RG3 running a college OFC last year, but the injuries are going to keep piling up as long as he's exposed via the read option.

I think the Shanahans took the easy way out with RG3...maybe they didn't think they would have time to develop him as a drop back passer so they used an OFC that would get the most production from that position the quickest.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I've seen Sumlin and BoB from Penn State as possibles from the college ranks. Could they make the transition to the NFL level? I dont follow college. What do we know about these guys?

Lovie for the DC maybe? Can't like him as a HC myself.

Lovie as DC makes some sense.

I'm not a huge college guys either, but if I were to look at the college level, I would go after the guy @ Stanford...he runs a pro style OFC at least.

 

[Krusheasy]

Shanahan is a control freak. Any attempt to bring in a FO executive that will usurp his control will be met with extreme ire and will result in shanahan walking........which maybe isn't a bad plan.

I'd like to see the idea play out with Mike going along with it. However, its more important for the franchise to have someone in charge steering the ship toward long term goals, rather then the short sightedness that goes along with a HC who feels the pressure to win now at all costs.

 

[JDM]

Absolutely fire him. Use RG3 as bait for a solid coach. Few teams have the same to offer as you do.

 

[j_y19]

J-Y thanks for answering and not trying to spin it too much.

I think what is missing is consistent elevated play level before you can call some one a franchise QB. Heck plenty of QBs have had good spurts that made the team think they had something special only to be fooled. I think Griffin is being given the term because right now we have to stick with him. But if not for the investment, he would have been benched a month ago. Or at the least, Shanahan would have opened up the job competition.

I agree with your statements. He played at a franchise level last year, but to be a franchise QB, you do need to do it time and again (or at least more times than not). So he is not yet a franchise QB, but a franchise QB prospect. I think this is where you and I diverge on RG3. I always knew he wasn't a finished project. That's why Luck went #1, he was much more prepared for the NFL game (and yet he is struggling also). We drafted RG3 for his potential more than his current capabilities. I still believe in his potential. It appears you have serious reservations if he has the potential to be a franchise QB. I don't. IMO, he has that potential. The question in my mind is who can help him develop himself into a franchise QB? I have reservations that he is listening to more non football people (his Dad, his agent, etc) than football folks. I suspect you have a similar concern due to the monikers you have been calling him (RGMe, etc).

This offseason will be critical for RG3 and how he develops. If it is more of the same, physical development, not mental development, then you may be right. but if he recognizes that the only way he will become a complete NFL QB is by mentally beating the defenses, not physically, and he hones those skills, he will be the QB we all want.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I'm not going to say it's all on Mike, but a lot of former players have come out publicly against him...you really don't see that much from a coach of his stature.

The biggest reason I would make a change is because I wouldn't ask him to fire his son...yet I don't think the OFC they're running is good for the health of the QB that you guys spent a small fortune for...he got a lot of mileage out of RG3 running a college OFC last year, but the injuries are going to keep piling up as long as he's exposed via the read option.

I think the Shanahans took the easy way out with RG3...maybe they didn't think they would have time to develop him as a drop back passer so they used an OFC that would get the most production from that position the quickest.

I know there have been a few players who have spoken out ala McNabb and Haynesworth, but who are the really credible ones without an axe to grind?

It has become obvious to me, that Mikes' ego and personal/coaching style is NOT adapting to THIS year, to things that might work for this team and QB, given this teams weaknesses.

That is the biggest issue to me. THis seeming inability to shift the course (the plan - offensive, defensive and STs) and adapt to the limitations that have shown themselves this year and place players in positions of their strengths.

Have to agree about the dysfunction that exists with the HC/OC, father and son combo.

I believe the Shannys did create a plan to get the most production but not necessarily as 'the easy way out'. I fully believe that they planned to transition Griff slowly, but have been hampered by the injury, depth, QB regression and a perfect storm of issues.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I agree with your statements. He played at a franchise level last year, but to be a franchise QB, you do need to do it time and again (or at least more times than not). So he is not yet a franchise QB, but a franchise QB prospect. I think this is where you and I diverge on RG3. I always knew he wasn't a finished project. That's why Luck went #1, he was much more prepared for the NFL game (and yet he is struggling also). We drafted RG3 for his potential more than his current capabilities. I still believe in his potential. It appears you have serious reservations if he has the potential to be a franchise QB. I don't. IMO, he has that potential. The question in my mind is who can help him develop himself into a franchise QB? I have reservations that he is listening to more non football people (his Dad, his agent, etc) than football folks. I suspect you have a similar concern due to the monikers you have been calling him (RGMe, etc).

This offseason will be critical for RG3 and how he develops. If it is more of the same, physical development, not mental development, then you may be right. but if he recognizes that the only way he will become a complete NFL QB is by mentally beating the defenses, not physically, and he hones those skills, he will be the QB we all want.

This most closely aligns to how I view Griff and the current situation. Well stated J_y.