Meyer is getting screwed

[7Samurai13]

shhhh, I'm trying to see how far ATF will explode this time. Dude is wound up tight as fuck right now.

Now?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

And it's unreal how spun up you are in your own bullshit homerism. There really isn't anyone in the country that agrees with you and your ilk. But of course they are ALL wrong right?

That’s because everyone else in the country is against Ohio State.

 

[Milkshake]

shhhh, I'm trying to see how far ATF will explode this time. Dude is wound up tight as fuck right now.

I was wondering what your motivation was...

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

The thing about which I still find myself shaking my head . . .

Somewhere between the Powell police responding to a call in October 2015 and now, the account changed from the paperwork indicating that Zach Smith had been arrested, to "that is not what happened". We also know that Zach Smith can a conversation with Urban Meyer in which it was made clear that if he (Zach) had hit Courtney, Zach would be terminated immediately. (Did that conversation also include "if you have been arrested for domestic violence ...."?)

Clearly, Urban Meyer's Media Day account of "I didn't know anything" was a flat out lie. Who knows - maybe he forgot, but that explanation kinda pushes the limits of plausibility. And something happened to change the account of the Powell Police Department. What caused that change to take place?

So many questions. 14 days is not sufficient to wrap this up.

They were laughing at OSU on National talk radio for the 14 day limit for the investigation.
Something along the line of — OSU is more worried about getting their coach back with a week to go before the opening game than they are worried about what happened with Zach and Courtney.
Seriously — how do you not say, an investigation will be done and we will let you know the results once it is completed. Why in God’s green earth do you put a time limit on it?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Well Ohio State itself isn't in trouble. It's not like they're facing NCAA issues or legal issues. The only ones right now being looked at are Urban and Gene Smith, and the reason is that there's an obligation for Urban to report these sort of matters so they're making sure they were properly reported.

You're also dead wrong on "protective orders". He has had one, and it didn't happen until this year.

Do you even know what the police calls were? Do you not find it odd that all those times he was never arrested or even charged even though Ohio requires a person accused of DV to be incarcerated for 24 hours if there's even a hint that the spouse was abused?

It's remarkable how ill-informed you are. Please go do some actual research on the topic.

She had a restraining order granted in 2015 and a personal protection order issued by the court in 2017. The PPO was granted because the court deemed she was in ‘clear and imminent danger’ and he was ordered to stay 500 feet away.

But I’m sure OSU knew about all of this.

Have you figured out why people continue to go at you about this? It isn’t that they hate OSU and it isn’t that they don’t like you. It is that you continue to make excuse after excuse, passing the blame to everyone but those responsible. OSU is going to have casualties across the board. I think the best case scenario is Meyer is suspended for a few games and Gene smith loses his job. Worst case scenario, depending on how much OSU knew and when — they could completely clean house.

 

[ellupo]

She had a restraining order granted in 2015 and a personal protection order issued by the court in 2017. The PPO was granted because the court deemed she was in ‘clear and imminent danger’ and he was ordered to stay 500 feet away.

But I’m sure OSU knew about all of this.

Have you figured out why people continue to go at you about this? It isn’t that they hate OSU and it isn’t that they don’t like you. It is that you continue to make excuse after excuse, passing the blame to everyone but those responsible. OSU is going to have casualties across the board. I think the best case scenario is Meyer is suspended for a few games and Gene smith loses his job. Worst case scenario, depending on how much OSU knew and when — they could completely clean house.

Here is what confuses me, she got the PPO but the guy was never arrested. I dont get that at all since he must have done something to be in 'clear and imminent danger'.

 

[7Samurai13]

Here is what confuses me, she got the PPO but the guy was never arrested. I dont get that at all since he must have done something to be in 'clear and imminent danger'.

Text messages?

 

[Milkshake]

passing the blame to everyone but those responsible.

So arguing that the person that allegedly committed the crime should be held accountable is passing the blame. But, actually passing the blame to the perpertrator's boss is... Say what now?!

 

[7Samurai13]

So arguing that the person that allegedly committed the crime should be held accountable is passing the blame. But, actually passing the blame to the perpertrator's boss is... Say what now?!

Saying “Z. Smith has done nothing wrong and should have never been fired because there was no evidence that he did anything, she obviously was lying because he wasn’t arrested and according to an Ohio State blog she showed up drunk to the stadium” is passing the blame.

 

[Milkshake]

Saying “Z. Smith has done nothing wrong and should have never been fired because there was no evidence that he did anything, she obviously was lying because he wasn’t arrested and according to an Ohio State blog she showed up drunk to the stadium” is passing the blame.

Right, but what does Urban have to do with that?

 

[Red_Alert]

I'm telling you a school is not a police agency. The police agency is the police agency. They went over and met with her dozens of times for myriad of reasons and nothing happened. No, it is not the school's job. Pressing charges would trigger it, doesn't require him to be hauled off.

Why are all of those schools in trouble?? Because the shit was happening and being covered up you doofus. There's no cover-up with OSU because that would require them actually trying to cover it up. The police were very involved. Holy hell, are you actually that ignorant as to compare this to the MSU situation?

You Urb defenders are hilarious.

"She was pulled over 3 times for DUI, but was not ticketed and escorted home." (Implying that being the wife of an OSU football coach gives leniency)

"Zach was never charged with anything so he's innocent. Therefore the university had no need to investigate"

Which is it dipshits? Does the university have influence on the Powell PD or not?

 

[7Samurai13]

Right, but what does Urban have to do with that?

It’s reasonable to believe that a guy who he knew assaulted his wife before, that he would do it again. He should have taken action and there should have been clauses in the contract, which almost all coaches have, to a conduct clause where they can be fired with cause at an allegation.

I’m not saying Urban should be fired, nor suspended at all. But he isn’t as pristine clean as ATF is pretending Urban is, it is complete homerism.

 

[nddulac]

Well I mean it is long enough if your investigation doesn't including talking to people like the victim or anyone else but Urban himself. Then it's plenty of time.

Remember too to not look into any of the coach's emails. You might find information that contradicts things he has told other people.

 

[Red_Alert]

The thing about which I still find myself shaking my head . . .

Somewhere between the Powell police responding to a call in October 2015 and now, the account changed from the paperwork indicating that Zach Smith had been arrested, to "that is not what happened". We also know that Zach Smith can a conversation with Urban Meyer in which it was made clear that if he (Zach) had hit Courtney, Zach would be terminated immediately. (Did that conversation also include "if you have been arrested for domestic violence ...."?)

Clearly, Urban Meyer's Media Day account of "I didn't know anything" was a flat out lie. Who knows - maybe he forgot, but that explanation kinda pushes the limits of plausibility. And something happened to change the account of the Powell Police Department. What caused that change to take place?

So many questions. 14 days is not sufficient to wrap this up.

My thought is that he was arrested, but then either Urbs or the A/D intervened and no charges were officially filed. They just forgot to change the nomenclature on the report until someone asked about it.

You can be sure Courtney didn't want him to lose his job. How would she get her child support and alimony as that is based on income. That's likely why she'd never press charges and hope he'd learn his lesson and take her seriously to knock off the abuse crap. Being Urbs little buddy (and Earl Bruce's grandson) he figured he could get away with anything.

 

[Milkshake]

It’s reasonable to believe that a guy who he knew assaulted his wife before, that he would do it again. He should have taken action and there should have been clauses in the contract, which almost all coaches have, to a conduct clause where they can be fired with cause at an allegation.

I’m not saying Urban should be fired, nor suspended at all. But he isn’t as pristine clean as ATF is pretending Urban is, it is complete homerism.

I hear you. But the problem is the here-say and mob justice. It's hard to think anyone looking for Urban to be fired isn't doing it out of selfish reasons. And it's hard to defend Urban without looking like a homer. What should be easy is waiting on facts - and holding the people who commit a crime to be responsible.

 

[nddulac]

Why in God’s green earth do you put a time limit on it?

Exacamundo. You investigate until you understand the full situation and have a handle on all relevant facts.

By saying it will be completed within 14 days, they might have well have announced that they will exonerate Urban Meyer once they have spent enough time to make people think they have investigated.

 

[cwerph]

I don't facebook, but some of you guys take it for gospel. Here is a differing perspective - an interview with Zach's mother and also text confirmation from Courtney's mother.

oh, and INB4 "it's his mother".

https://t.co/2dvmAQDMmI

 

[cwerph]

I don't facebook, but some of you guys take it for gospel. Here is a differing perspective - an interview with Zach's mother and also text confirmation from Courtney's mother.

oh, and INB4 "it's his mother".

https://t.co/2dvmAQDMmI

Here is the short version: Her mother thinks she's lying and he never hit her.

 

[BamaDude]

After the contents of Courtney Smith's protection order against her ex-husband were finally released, it paints even more doubt on Urban Meyer, as well as the local police department.

Why was the protection order sealed to begin with? It makes it look like there was an active attempt to cover up the severity of Zach Smith's actions. And by multiple parties.

It's hard to believe a well-respected coach like Meyer would have been involved with something like this; but, unless & until more facts come to light, I now have to side with those who say "Urban must go."

And, while we are on the subject, I will have to say that it does look like Brett McMurphy might have an axe to grind. His shoddy approach to journalistic integrity is pathetic - but that doesn't excuse the lack of integrity on behalf of the Ohio State community.

 

[Red_Alert]

Here is the short version: Her mother thinks she's lying and he never hit her.

Newsflash....Abuse is a lot more than "hitting" someone.
Intimidation, threads, shoving, grabbing an arm and squeezing hard, yelling, etc. all fall under domestic abuse.