Media Drama(Just in time for the playoffs)

[YankeeRebel]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/espn-r...-jimmy-garoppolo-tom-brady-won-083140046.html

If true fuck Kraft, this is not the time to go all Jerry Jones and think you know more than a coach.

 

[poewelch84]

From where I'm sitting it was a great move by Robert Kraft .

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

 

[sharkymcwrath]

Another ESPN hit piece. The fact that anybody believes a word of it is troubling considering ESPN's knack for lying.

Everybody already forgot about ESPN's roll in deflategate?

I'll believe it when I see it but in the meantime thanks ESPN for putting another chip on the shoulder of my favorite team.

 

[poewelch84]

I'm not sure I believe it but keeping an aging veteran over a young guy that shows all the signs of being a star player is not generally the move he makes.

 

[BigKen]

You can't trade a starting quarterback at the trade deadline unless he's hurt and you have a young quarterback who is extremely successful filling in for him.

You can't trade your starting quarterback unless you're 100% sure his back up can continue to win with the weaknesses you have with your present team.

You can't have two quarterbacks next year earning $25M each. Two guy, one not playing eating up nearly 1/3 of the cap space is just plain stupid.

What would the Patriots fan base say if BB traded Brady to SF and then SF traded him to Denver next year? The Pats don't play Denver, but suppose Brady cranks it up and the Broncos win the AFCW? What if they get the home field the pats have to face him in Denver. Think the chance of beating him out there is greater than 2%??

Right now, Garapollo is enjoying having a very good offensive line, a couple of good WR and a good RB. The Niners are going to draft to build the team around JG. The media is declaring him the next great QB in the NFL.
Until he gets hurt or the team stumbles and then he'll be the scapegoat like Trevor Simeon or Paxton Lynch.

I don't think Kraft or Brady were involved in the trade. BB knew that he couldn't keep both QBs and one had to be traded. He made his decision and put JG where BB felt he could cause the least harm if he was successful.
It may come back to haunt him, but he did what was best for the Patriots as a team and more importantly as a business.

 

[Upinthe North]

(didn't paste entire post but ALL this quote)
...I don't think Kraft or Brady were involved in the trade. BB knew that he couldn't keep both QBs and one had to be traded. He made his decision and put JG where BB felt he could cause the least harm if he was successful.
It may come back to haunt him, but he did what was best for the Patriots as a team and more importantly as a business.

This sounds like the most reasonable scenario to this hyped drama attempt by the media. Bill B. is a business man and business can involve risk. I get excited watching Garappolo win in SF, and hope it wasn't a risk letting him go. Until he has a couple of winning seasons under his belt I'm not buying the hype (same with Wentz). I also don't believe it impossible to find another good QB before one is needed.

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

 

[CreepCreep2014]

Ya know, most of the story is BS. This ESPN hack has more contacts in the Pats locker room than Reiss and Tommy C??...yeah OK...he was also able to talk to BB friends....sure.....

I do think there is some truth to the Jimmy G being traded thing. Not sure how...But, RK was def telling BB to trade him, but not sure in what role.

If reports are true that NE tried to sign him to an extension numerous times and Jimmy was like "No way" then it makes sense he was traded at the deadline and why NE kept him threw the draft. Maybe BB thought this was TB last yr and he would be all set. Then Tom comes out and say's he wants to play for 3 more years....Can't keep both and BB figured "let's try and extend Jimmy". They couldn't so they traded him.

Now if TB went to Kraft and was all pissed off and RK made BB trade JG to keep TB in NE, well then that's fucked up. I'd be pissed then. I had read reports and heard rumors that this was the case long before this ESPN report came out. In the end, RK has always made it clear that this is his team and he gets final decision. If he chose 2 yrs of TB over 10 yrs of Jimmy G....then so be it. I am sure many would take TB for 2 more years, however.....attack me if you want...but I would have have taken 10yrs of Jimmy after this yr SB.

That's my take...I am on to the AFC Divisional game...

 

[BigKen]

BB set himself up for being painted into a corner. He should have offered JG an extension two years ago and torn up his original rookie contract. If he had done this for a contract through 2020 in 2015, JG might have accepted it and it might cost between $8-$10M against the cap. BB is a gambler and he's been a winner so often that he just believes the luck fairy will be there when needed. JG knew in 2016 that he was worth at least $22M year because that was the Franchise number. In 2017 he knew he was worth at least $25M a year because that's the Franchise number. IF, and that's a pretty weak IF, BB offered him a contract extension, it would have to have been for $25M guaranteed or "NO Deal". The biggest problem for BB was that JG's agent is TB12's agent and Yee is not stupid.

BB is a businessman and a gambler. They don't always coincise, especially in professional sports. BB lost this one and it cost him. The worst part of this whole thing is that JG's success in Frisco cost Belichick about 6-7 spots in the draft. The 2nd round pick went from 33 or 34 to 40 or 41. He lost on this gamble twice.

If the Patriots win another Super Bowl this year and/or next, it will be a wash.

 

[BigKen]

coincise

coincide.........

 

[realityball]

NE fans have to remember the war between the media and Belichick’s Patriots and the results ... BB’s self imposed gag orders have made the media (especially the local Boston media) laughing stocks in their inability to cover one of the most successful eras of any single franchise

From the get-go, strategies and tactics were now called “schemes” and successes were due to mysterious behind-the-scenes cheating supposedly exposed by Tomase’s made up Walsh-connection to Spygate (and his editors for sitting on the “bombshell-that-never-was” for 3 months) to Mortensen’s false Deflategate reporting ... yet ESPN and the Boston media continue to defend themselves agaisnt the idea of a “hysterical” fan base ...

This from Boston.com in defense of the latest ESPN debacle:
“It brought a preemptive discrediting by Patriots fans of a story they hadn’t read yet. When the Patriots issued a statement in the afternoon saying it is “unfortunate there is even a need to respond to these fallacies,’’ that was taken as the real truth by their loyalists, even though there was zero chance the Patriots would ever confirm any of it and they did not elaborate on what was false.”



This latest media barrage is based on the idea that Belichick’s disgruntlement with Kraft and Brady created an emotional tantrum that led to NE trading Jimmy G to SF ... but it’s up to the Patriots organization to prove that wasnt the case and open-minded fans should see through this


... yeah ... right




...

 

[nefansince75]

"Bill, you are probably right, but we need to keep TB because he's the face of this franchise. We've always accepted the criticism that we're heartless, but this time it's too much. TB has to stay"

"This is a $2.x billion franchise and eventually this run will end and we need to take at least some actions that make us likeable. Making Brady the exception to our rules, despite the risk of losing, will be a good start."

I have a hard time believing that if the above sentiment by Robert Kraft, along with a directive "You need to let TB play out", that BB wouldn't understand and accept.

 

[cheerupcharlie]

If all this is true or mostly true, I don’t blame Coach B for being angry. This league is won and lost because of the QB play. He knew he had a potential franchise QB in Jimmy. He knows Brady is in decline. If BB wanted to still coach for the next 10 years he had his QB in Jimmy. Now what does he have? Is he crossing his fingers hoping to draft a QB who will take the reigns in two years? Maybe one year? Krafts loyalty to Brady may have set the Patriots back for a long time. A very very long time. There isn’t one Patriots fan who isn’t great full for what Tom has done for the Patriots. He’s the GOAT. But you can’t set the franchise back 10 years for 1 or 2 years of “Tom Happiness “. I hope I’m wrong and we find a future great QB soon. I know this doesn’t sound ok but I hope Jimmy G fails in San Francisco. I don’t want to see what could have been ours celebrating SuperBowls somewhere else.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

If all this is true or mostly true, I don’t blame Coach B for being angry. This league is won and lost because of the QB play. He knew he had a potential franchise QB in Jimmy. He knows Brady is in decline. If BB wanted to still coach for the next 10 years he had his QB in Jimmy. Now what does he have? Is he crossing his fingers hoping to draft a QB who will take the reigns in two years? Maybe one year? Krafts loyalty to Brady may have set the Patriots back for a long time. A very very long time. There isn’t one Patriots fan who isn’t great full for what Tom has done for the Patriots. He’s the GOAT. But you can’t set the franchise back 10 years for 1 or 2 years of “Tom Happiness “. I hope I’m wrong and we find a future great QB soon. I know this doesn’t sound ok but I hope Jimmy G fails in San Francisco. I don’t want to see what could have been ours celebrating SuperBowls somewhere else.

I'm torn on this. "IF" I had to make the decision I would've done the same thing and kept TB.
This franchise hadn't known success until the trio of RK, BB & TB came together. This isn't a post about whom deserves more credit for their success. They equally are important. However, as fans we fall in love with our players moreso than our coaches and owners. Players are out there every week giving us both highs and lows. In the case of TB they've mostly been highs. So we call hope that TB sticks to his word and retires once his skills diminish
Everyone can climb back down off the ledge. The world won't stop when TB retires. He deserves to retire as a Pat. A Brady comes along only once in a life time.
We still don't know what NE will get out of the pick they received? BB has shown he finds talent in QBs, not so much in DBs. Even if he doesn't find a QB in the draft there is always FA. No one knows how Jimmy G will turn out? So far he looks like the real deal? I wish him all the best. But, when that day comes for TB to hang up his cleats who knows who'll be available? Heck if TB holds on till he's 45 that will be right around the time JG will be looking for contract # 3. If NE dips into the FA market what QB wouldn't want to come to NE? Especially if BB is still around and Mr. Kraft has shown his loyalty to key players.
So if we have to go thru some dark days or years when TB does retire, I'm ok with that. It's not like we didn't have them pre-TB.
Go Pats bring home another Lombardi and all this is for not.

 

[nefansince75]

If all this is true or mostly true, I don’t blame Coach B for being angry. This league is won and lost because of the QB play. He knew he had a potential franchise QB in Jimmy. He knows Brady is in decline. If BB wanted to still coach for the next 10 years he had his QB in Jimmy. Now what does he have? Is he crossing his fingers hoping to draft a QB who will take the reigns in two years? Maybe one year? Krafts loyalty to Brady may have set the Patriots back for a long time. A very very long time. There isn’t one Patriots fan who isn’t great full for what Tom has done for the Patriots. He’s the GOAT. But you can’t set the franchise back 10 years for 1 or 2 years of “Tom Happiness “. I hope I’m wrong and we find a future great QB soon. I know this doesn’t sound ok but I hope Jimmy G fails in San Francisco. I don’t want to see what could have been ours celebrating SuperBowls somewhere else.

By QB in decline, do you mean the guy who is probably winning this year's MVP? A few years of Brady in decline is far better than almost every other team...

Hey, I almost always side with BB. I find it hard to believe BB couldn't accept a rationale for keeping Brady longer (which really dictated Garoppollo being traded).

 

[cheerupcharlie]

By QB in decline, do you mean the guy who is probably winning this year's MVP? A few years of Brady in decline is far better than almost every other team...

Hey, I almost always side with BB. I find it hard to believe BB couldn't accept a rationale for keeping Brady longer (which really dictated Garoppollo being traded).

By decline, yes. He’s played below average at best the last 3rd of the year. I firmly believe that if was Brady that was traded and Jimmy had started the last 7 games here we would not be in any worse shape. Plus we would have a solid QB leading us for a long time. I love Brady. But Gurley should win the MVP. If not for injuries Wentz...Antonio Brown and Gurley would finish ahead of Brady. Brady has looked pedestrian at best. But we all know that he almost always comes through when the Patriots need him. I hope he still can.

 

[cheerupcharlie]

I look at it like this. Bought my wife a new Toyota Camry back in 2005. We loved the car. It was loaded. Ran great. Dependable. But it’s older now. Not running as great of late. Do we ride it into the ground until it breaks and leaves us stranded on the road or do we buy that 2017 that will last us another 10 years? Yeah, I feel bad getting rid of the car that I loved and was always there for me. But it was time to move on. Was able to trade it in. Got some value out of the trade and I have my car for the future too boot.

 

[nefansince75]

I look at it like this. Bought my wife a new Toyota Camry back in 2005. We loved the car. It was loaded. Ran great. Dependable. But it’s older now. Not running as great of late. Do we ride it into the ground until it breaks and leaves us stranded on the road or do we buy that 2017 that will last us another 10 years? Yeah, I feel bad getting rid of the car that I loved and was always there for me. But it was time to move on. Was able to trade it in. Got some value out of the trade and I have my car for the future too boot.

I'd say it's more like you paid for a Toyota Camry but when you got home you ended up with a Rolls Royce. In Brady's case, they bought a beater and ended up with the best car ever made. The fact that he's the best ever makes these decisions more difficult.

I'll agree with this part. If they kept Garoppollo and he failed the hurt is only temporary, given the absolte dream best for Brady is four years. Brady failing and G succeeding creates a ten year hurt minimum....

Jimmy being future success isn't 100% given. He was hurt his second game and has played just 5 games for a team that was underachieving.

 

[sharkymcwrath]

Who here had heard of Jimmy G before the Pats drafted him? I didn't. I don't recall the media fawning all over him. When the Pats drafted him there was a lukewarm response if memory serves me correctly.

Matt Cassel also looked great for a short stint even after he got traded.