MBBRL Suicide League Draft Thread 2014

[TKOSpikes]

too bad for him... that does not change any part of my opinion of him... and remember, I used to love him, and I've always backed him.. this just boils me. I hope Michael shows he's not needed, they cut him, and no other team bends for his outrageous demands... (extremely unlikely I know, but it's so frustrating)

 

[Sam Sportboy]

Couple of things - Lynch's career earnings if he plays out his contract will be about $50 million, which sounds like a lot. But he will have lost lost about 40% of that in taxes, leaving $30 million. Let's say he's spending somewhat wisely and keeping it around $1 million per year while he's playing (remember he has attorney's fees). So with that, and his agents' cuts, he would end up with around $20 million when his NFL career is over.

I don't think we'll see him coaching or in a broadcasting booth, and there's no reason to think he's a business or financial whiz, so these next couple of years might be essentially it for his income. Spread that $20 million over say the next fifty years of his life, and that gives him about $400,000 a year. Obviously that's enough for a nice life, but it's not obscene, especially considering he'll probably spend those fifty years dealing with pain.

On the other hand, if Michael turns out to be just as effective as Lynch, and Turbin is a solid backup, Lynch could easily be cut after this season and have trouble finding work as an aging, beat-up RB. That would drop his $20 million down to something like $17 million.

This is his last chance to make any significant improvement on those numbers.

 

[averagejoe]

I don't think we'll see him coaching or in a broadcasting booth, and there's no reason to think he's a business or financial whiz, so these next couple of years might be essentially it for his income. Spread that $20 million over say the next fifty years of his life, and that gives him about $400,000 a year. Obviously that's enough for a nice life, but it's not obscene, especially considering he'll probably spend those fifty years dealing with pain.

Won't see me in a broadcast booth either. Was laid off from my job of 32 years in 2009 and now I'm making $16 an hour with no benefits. And I'm supporting a family of 3 on my lone income (since my wife can't work). The reality I have is that I'll most likely be working and dealing with my own aches and pains until I'm dead.

I realize this is the nature of professional sports, but it's what I hate about professional sports.

 

[leftypower]

Won't see me in a broadcast booth either. Was laid off from my job of 32 years in 2009 and now I'm making $16 an hour with no benefits. And I'm supporting a family of 3 on my lone income (since my wife can't work). The reality I have is that I'll most likely be working and dealing with my own aches and pains until I'm dead.

I realize this is the nature of professional sports, but it's what I hate about professional sports.

I'm with you on that Joe. But yes, they all deserve a real pity party. .... only $5 million a year, how can he possibly make it. That's more than most of us will see in an entire lifetime of work. But I've been told it's for the 'entertainment' value. .... hummm, would they be less entertaining at $2 mil a year ? Just saying. ... the product is the same at whatever price.

 

[Chef99]

Won't see me in a broadcast booth either. Was laid off from my job of 32 years in 2009 and now I'm making $16 an hour with no benefits. And I'm supporting a family of 3 on my lone income (since my wife can't work). The reality I have is that I'll most likely be working and dealing with my own aches and pains until I'm dead.

I realize this is the nature of professional sports, but it's what I hate about professional sports.

I'm with you on this as well. Lost over a year of work due to a heart problem, took a pay cut to get back in the biz, and now I'm busting my ass to make up for lost time. No empathy/sympathy for Lynch here.

And for what it's worth, I think you would be very interesting in a broadcast booth.

 

[TREFF]

I guess I fall in the other end of the spectrum. I earn anywhere from 40-60k a year depending on the tide of the construction industry. . But no one pays 500 a head to watch me wire a house. Nor do I have to keep my body in optimal shape in order to do my job. I feel they're worth every penny they can get.

 

[averagejoe]

I feel they're worth every penny they can get.

Like I said, I know its the nature of the business. But I think they're eventually gonna price themselves out of the market. I can't afford to pay to go to a game.

The last Bears game I saw at Soldier Field was two seasons ago - my friend got the tickets free. The last Blackhawks game I saw at the United Center was in 2008. Again, tickets were freebies. And even the White Sox at the Cell in 2010, a friend happened to be the organist's farrier, who gave him 10 tickets as a gift for her final home game. That about sums up the last decade of live sporting events.

Then again, even the demolition derby at the local county fair might be too steep for my budget.

 

[Bandit]

Like I said, I know its the nature of the business. But I think they're eventually gonna price themselves out of the market. I can't afford to pay to go to a game.

I agree totally on the average person being priced out of sporting events. The problem isn't just the tickets, the problem is that once you pay to get in the stadium they ass r*pe you for every concession you buy and won't let you bring your own food or drinks. I would rather watch from the comfort of my couch and drink my own liquor. I have been to a few Tampa Bay Rays games over the last few years, but honestly I'd rather watch football on TV anyway and when I want to go see a baseball game (which are better live in my opinion), I will go see one of the local minor league affiliates or go to a college baseball game.

 

[leftypower]

I've seen the athlete salary debate a number times over the years and there is always a pro and con. I quite simply do not believe, and never will, that any are worth more to society than someone who serves to saves lives (doctors, firefighters, police, military). But until the common folks stop paying more and more for the 'product' the associated costs and salaries are what they are.
I really have nothing more on the subject.

 

[averagejoe]

Well. JD's 3 picks are still in limbo. And SP has threatened to hold out on his kicker with no time table set. It'll be long (and maybe not very aesthetic) since it's in text format, but here are the CONSENSUS rankings from both Suicide Drafts:

S1 S2 Avg Pos Player
1 1 1 RB Adrian Peterson
3 2 2.5 RB LeSean McCoy
2 3 2.5 RB Jamaal Charles
5 4 4.5 RB Marshawn Lynch
7 5 6 RB Matt Forte
6 6 6 QB Peyton Manning
4 10 7 WR Calvin Johnson
8 9 8.5 RB Eddie Lacy
10 12 11 WR Demaryius Thomas
9 15 12 RB Montee Ball
21 7 14 QB Drew Brees
22 8 15 QB Aaron Rodgers
17 13 15 WR Dez Bryant
16 14 15 TE Jimmy Graham
12 18 15 RB Le'Veon Bell
14 17 15.5 RB Doug Martin
11 21 16 RB Arian Foster
18 16 17 WR A.J. Green
13 22 17.5 RB Giovani Bernard
19 19 19 RB DeMarco Murray
20 20 20 WR Brandon Marshall
23 24 23.5 WR Julio Jones
25 23 24 WR Antonio Brown
15 33 24 RB Zac Stacy
24 25 24.5 WR Alshon Jeffery
26 26 26 RB Alfred Morris
28 27 27.5 TE Julius Thomas
29 28 28.5 WR Jordy Nelson
31 34 32.5 QB Matthew Stafford
34 32 33 WR Keenan Allen
30 37 33.5 RB C.J. Spiller
57 11 34 QB Andrew Luck
39 30 34.5 RB Reggie Bush
33 41 37 RB Bishop Sankey
46 31 38.5 WR Wes Welker
27 50 38.5 WR Randall Cobb
42 36 39 TE Rob Gronkowski
41 40 40.5 RB Andre Ellington
36 46 41 WR Victor Cruz
38 45 41.5 WR Larry Fitzgerald
49 35 42 RB Ryan Mathews
45 39 42 RB Chris Johnson
32 52 42 WR Vincent Jackson
60 29 44.5 RB Ray Rice
37 54 45.5 WR Percy Harvin
50 44 47 QB Matt Ryan
47 47 47 WR Pierre Garcon
58 38 48 RB Ben Tate
53 43 48 WR DeSean Jackson
35 62 48.5 WR Michael Crabtree
52 48 50 RB Toby Gerhart
48 55 51.5 RB Frank Gore
54 56 55 TE Jordan Cameron
61 51 56 QB Tom Brady
44 69 56.5 RB Rashad Jennings
40 74 57 WR Cordarrelle Patterson
67 49 58 RB Trent Richardson
59 57 58 WR Andre Johnson
64 53 58.5 WR Roddy White
55 63 59 WR Torrey Smith
51 72 61.5 TE Vernon Davis
68 61 64.5 RB Joique Bell
72 58 65 WR T.Y. Hilton
56 75 65.5 WR Emmanuel Sanders
66 66 66 WR Marques Colston
63 71 67 QB Nick Foles
43 91 67 WR Michael Floyd
70 65 67.5 WR Jeremy Maclin
81 59 70 WR Eric Decker
65 76 70.5 RB Shane Vereen
83 60 71.5 RB Fred Jackson
69 80 74.5 WR Sammy Watkins
82 70 76 WR Kendall Wright
89 64 76.5 QB Robert Griffin III
76 79 77.5 WR Mike Wallace
79 77 78 WR Hakeem Nicks
86 73 79.5 QB Cam Newton
77 82 79.5 D Seattle Seahawks
62 97 79.5 WR Julian Edelman
94 67 80.5 RB Darren McFadden
75 86 80.5 RB Steven Jackson
74 87 80.5 RB Knowshon Moreno
73 90 81.5 TE Jason Witten
71 93 82 TE Greg Olsen
85 88 86.5 D San Francisco 49ers
92 84 88 QB Tony Romo
88 89 88.5 RB Stevan Ridley
97 81 89 QB Colin Kaepernick
96 85 90.5 RB Maurice Jones-Drew
109 78 93.5 TE Eric Ebron
101 95 98 TE Jordan Reed
95 106 100.5 WR Tavon Austin
93 109 101 D St. Louis Rams
103 105 104 WR Riley Cooper
87 121 104 WR Terrance Williams
91 118 104.5 RB Pierre Thomas
90 120 105 RB DeAngelo Williams
- 42 105.5 RB Jordan Todman
100 111 105.5 WR Mike Evans
110 102 106 D Carolina Panthers
105 108 106.5 WR Golden Tate
84 129 106.5 WR Brandin Cooks
99 119 109 RB Danny Woodhead
104 116 110 RB Darren Sproles
112 110 111 D Denver Broncos
121 103 112 WR Anquan Boldin
102 123 112.5 WR Kenny Stills
80 147 113.5 TE Dennis Pitta
137 94 115.5 QB Philip Rivers
127 104 115.5 QB Andy Dalton
116 115 115.5 WR Cecil Shorts
135 98 116.5 QB Jay Cutler
126 107 116.5 RB Khiry Robinson
134 100 117 QB Ben Roethlisberger
106 130 118 RB Bernard Pierce
169 68 118.5 TE Antonio Gates
136 101 118.5 K Stephen Gostkowski
124 113 118.5 RB Lamar Miller
98 140 119 WR Dwayne Bowe
143 96 119.5 WR Reggie Wayne
128 112 120 WR Danny Amendola
113 128 120.5 WR Kelvin Benjamin
131 114 122.5 K Steven Hauschka
118 127 122.5 WR Markus Wheaton
163 83 123 WR Rueben Randle
78 - 123.5 WR Jermaine Kearse
119 137 128 K Matt Prater
140 117 128.5 QB Russell Wilson
- 92 130.5 D Cleveland Browns
120 141 130.5 D Cincinnati Bengals
130 135 132.5 TE Kyle Rudolph
- 99 134 WR Steve Smith
123 150 136.5 xD Houston Texans
148 126 137 QB Johnny Manziel
107 - 138 TE Heath Miller
145 132 138.5 K Justin Tucker
108 - 138.5 WR Jarrett Boykin
111 - 140 WR DeAndre Hopkins
114 - 141.5 D Kansas City Chiefs
115 - 142 D New England Patriots
125 161 143 RB Terrance West
117 - 143 RB Andre Williams
149 139 144 K Phil Dawson
164 125 144.5 WR Odell Beckham Jr.
169 122 145.5 RB Tre Mason
122 - 145.5 RB Chris Ivory
132 160 146 RB Knile Davis
169 124 146.5 D Arizona Cardinals
142 153 147.5 QB Joe Flacco
141 155 148 WR Brian Hartline
129 - 149 RB Stepfan Taylor
- 131 150 RB Jeremy Hill
156 144 150 QB Eli Manning
- 133 151 TE Charles Clay
133 - 151 TE Ladarius Green
- 134 151.5 K Mason Crosby
- 136 152.5 RB Devonta Freeman
168 138 153 D Pittsburgh Steelers
138 - 153.5 RB Christine Michael
139 - 154 D Buffalo Bills
152 158 155 K Adam Vinatieri
- 142 155.5 WR James Jones
150 162 156 K Greg Zuerlein
144 - 156.5 QB Alex Smith
- 145 157 D Green Bay Packers
- 146 157.5 RB LeGarrette Blount
146 - 157.5 D Chicago Bears
160 156 158 WR Greg Jennings
159 157 158 K Blair Walsh
147 - 158 TE Tyler Eifert
- 148 158.5 WR Justin Hunter
- 149 159 QB Carson Palmer
- 151 160 TE Martellus Bennett
151 - 160 K Dan Bailey
- 152 160.5 QB Sam Bradford
167 154 160.5 QB Ryan Tannehill
153 - 161 QB Josh McCown
154 - 161.5 D Tampa Bay Buccaneers
155 - 162 RB Carlos Hyde
157 - 163 K Shayne Graham
158 - 163.5 WR Kenny Britt
- 159 164 TE Jace Amaro
161 - 165 D New Orleans Saints
162 - 165.5 WR Marvin Jones
- 163 166 K Alex Henery
- 164 166.5 K Robbie Gould
165 - 167 K Caleb Sturgis
166 - 167.5 K Matt Bryant

 

[TREFF]

Sometimes I wonder if you don't like crunching numbers a little too much Joe

But, as always, nice work

 

[The Foot]

Joe you must be really good with money to make ends meet. I need to take some advice.

 

[The Foot]

Anyone know anything or heard anything about Lynch's possible suspension? I can seem to find anything on it.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

you can definitely see the RB value difference when you compare the two leagues like this Joe.

I really hope I'm right on Stacy as opposed to him almost falling out of the 3rd round in the S2 league.

 

[Yellow Fuzzies]

hey Treff-When are you going to enter our picks on the site so I can start trading and working the waiver wire?

 

[Bandit]

you can definitely see the RB value difference when you compare the two leagues like this Joe.

I really hope I'm right on Stacy as opposed to him almost falling out of the 3rd round in the S2 league.

I can assure you that if I hadn't gone RB, RB, he wouldn't have lasted past 28th in the B league draft, but I just couldn't justify going RB, RB, RB in a league that we start 3 WR's with no flex. I looked at Stacy in the 2nd round, but Arian Foster was still there, so it was hard not to go that route.

 

[TREFF]

hey Treff-When are you going to enter our picks on the site so I can start trading and working the waiver wire?

Lol..well IF ESPN has unlocked those features. . Probably early next week when I get back from my week in Nebraska. Nor sure that'll help ya much in trades though!

 

[SteelersPride]

well based on the lists i overdrafted gerhart and richardson, but i figure both have great oppurtunities and should hit with one.......but got great value on my TE, and basically all my wr's terrance williams, edelman i got like 30 spots lower......except reggie wayne that i took like 50 spots earlier lol..........

 

[averagejoe]

Here's the CONSENSUS Suicide list by position (and their average rank).

Quarterbacks
6 Peyton Manning
14 Drew Brees
15 Aaron Rodgers
32.5 Matthew Stafford
34 Andrew Luck
47 Matt Ryan
56 Tom Brady
67 Nick Foles
76.5 Robert Griffin III
79.5 Cam Newton
88 Tony Romo
89 Colin Kaepernick
115.5 Philip Rivers
115.5 Andy Dalton
116.5 Jay Cutler
117 Ben Roethlisberger
128.5 Russell Wilson
137 Johnny Manziel
147.5 Joe Flacco
150 Eli Manning
156.5 Alex Smith
159 Carson Palmer
160.5 Sam Bradford
160.5 Ryan Tannehill
161 Josh McCown

Running Backs
1 Adrian Peterson
2.5 LeSean McCoy
2.5 Jamaal Charles
4.5 Marshawn Lynch
6 Matt Forte
8.5 Eddie Lacy
12 Montee Ball
15 Le'Veon Bell
15.5 Doug Martin
16 Arian Foster
17.5 Giovani Bernard
19 DeMarco Murray
24 Zac Stacy
26 Alfred Morris
33.5 C.J. Spiller
34.5 Reggie Bush
37 Bishop Sankey
40.5 Andre Ellington
42 Ryan Mathews
42 Chris Johnson
44.5 Ray Rice
48 Ben Tate
50 Toby Gerhart
51.5 Frank Gore
56.5 Rashad Jennings
58 Trent Richardson
64.5 Joique Bell
70.5 Shane Vereen
71.5 Fred Jackson
80.5 Darren McFadden
80.5 Steven Jackson
80.5 Knowshon Moreno
88.5 Stevan Ridley
90.5 Maurice Jones-Drew
104.5 Pierre Thomas
105 DeAngelo Williams
105.5 Jordan Todman
109 Danny Woodhead
110 Darren Sproles
116.5 Khiry Robinson
118 Bernard Pierce
118.5 Lamar Miller
143 Terrance West
143 Andre Williams
145.5 Tre Mason
145.5 Chris Ivory
146 Knile Davis
149 Stepfan Taylor
150 Jeremy Hill
152.5 Devonta Freeman
153.5 Christine Michael
157.5 LeGarrette Blount
162 Carlos Hyde

Wide Receivers
7 Calvin Johnson
11 Demaryius Thomas
15 Dez Bryant
17 A.J. Green
20 Brandon Marshall
23.5 Julio Jones
24 Antonio Brown
24.5 Alshon Jeffery
28.5 Jordy Nelson
33 Keenan Allen
38.5 Wes Welker
38.5 Randall Cobb
41 Victor Cruz
41.5 Larry Fitzgerald
42 Vincent Jackson
45.5 Percy Harvin
47 Pierre Garcon
48 DeSean Jackson
48.5 Michael Crabtree
57 Cordarrelle Patterson
58 Andre Johnson
58.5 Roddy White
59 Torrey Smith
65 T.Y. Hilton
65.5 Emmanuel Sanders
66 Marques Colston
67 Michael Floyd
67.5 Jeremy Maclin
70 Eric Decker
74.5 Sammy Watkins
76 Kendall Wright
77.5 Mike Wallace
78 Hakeem Nicks
79.5 Julian Edelman
100.5 Tavon Austin
104 Riley Cooper
104 Terrance Williams
105.5 Mike Evans
106.5 Golden Tate
106.5 Brandin Cooks
112 Anquan Boldin
112.5 Kenny Stills
115.5 Cecil Shorts
119 Dwayne Bowe
119.5 Reggie Wayne
120 Danny Amendola
120.5 Kelvin Benjamin
122.5 Markus Wheaton
123 Rueben Randle
123.5 Jermaine Kearse
134 Steve Smith
138.5 Jarrett Boykin
140 DeAndre Hopkins
144.5 Odell Beckham Jr.
148 Brian Hartline
155.5 James Jones
158 Greg Jennings
158.5 Justin Hunter
163.5 Kenny Britt
165.5 Marvin Jones

Tight Ends
15 Jimmy Graham
27.5 Julius Thomas
39 Rob Gronkowski
55 Jordan Cameron
61.5 Vernon Davis
81.5 Jason Witten
82 Greg Olsen
93.5 Eric Ebron
98 Jordan Reed
113.5 Dennis Pitta
118.5 Antonio Gates
132.5 Kyle Rudolph
138 Heath Miller
151 Charles Clay
151 Ladarius Green
158 Tyler Eifert
160 Martellus Bennett
164 Jace Amaro

Defense/Special Teams
79.5 Seattle Seahawks
86.5 San Francisco 49ers
101 St. Louis Rams
106 Carolina Panthers
111 Denver Broncos
130.5 Cleveland Browns
130.5 Cincinnati Bengals
136.5 Houston Texans
141.5 Kansas City Chiefs
142 New England Patriots
146.5 Arizona Cardinals
153 Pittsburgh Steelers
154 Buffalo Bills
157 Green Bay Packers
157.5 Chicago Bears
161.5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
165 New Orleans Saints

Kickers
118.5 Stephen Gostkowski
122.5 Steven Hauschka
128 Matt Prater
138.5 Justin Tucker
144 Phil Dawson
151.5 Mason Crosby
155 Adam Vinatieri
156 Greg Zuerlein
158 Blair Walsh
160 Dan Bailey
163 Shayne Graham
166 Alex Henery
166.5 Robbie Gould
167 Caleb Sturgis
167 Nate Freese
167.5 Matt Bryant

 

[averagejoe]

Though both leagues picked 168 players, there were 189 players chosen. (A difference of 21.)