Mason Rudolph was the Starting QB for the Steelers

[Bridgeburner]

I would appreciate if we don't the whole "you're wrong" thing. We have differing opinions, neither one of us can be wrong.

It would just feel dishonest to not proclaim you wrong when you clearly are though.

 

[Yo Tee]

It would just feel dishonest to not proclaim you wrong when you clearly are though.

We look at the stats and disagree. It's that simple. We can either have a conversation back and forth or we can proclaim the other one wrong and not respect their opinion. I can see what road you're taking. I disagree with you and let this be the end of the back and forth.

 

[Bridgeburner]

We look at the stats and disagree. It's that simple. We can either have a conversation back and forth or we can proclaim the other one wrong and not respect their opinion. I can see what road you're taking. I disagree with you and let this be the end of the back and forth.

But. I'm right.

I don't understand the problem here.

 

[Yo Tee]

But. I'm right.

I don't understand the problem here.

Of course you don't.

 

[Bridgeburner]

Of course you don't.

Hahaha. You're too much fun.

 

[Bridgeburner]

Hey @Terry Rode I wrote you a poem.

Roses are red
I'm right

 

[Yo Tee]

Hey @Terry Rode I wrote you a poem.

Roses are red
I'm right

I really like Haikus. Can you write me a Haiku instead?

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

Ben hasn't adapted very well to the changes while other QBs have. That's my point. The game has changed, the DB position has evolved while Ben seems to have not.

If you're leading the league in yards I would say you have "adapted" just fine. FFS...

I would appreciate if we don't the whole "you're wrong" thing. We have differing opinions, neither one of us can be wrong.

I appreciate him enough to say that he is the best QB in our franchise history. All I'm saying is, it's obvious, in my opinion, that his best years are behind him and have been for a few years now.

Narcissism... Symptoms include: An excessive need for admiration, disgregard for others' feelings, an inability to handle any criticism, and a sense of entitlement.

Using terms like "obvious", right before saying "in my opinion" is a backhanded way of saying "i'm right".

We look at the stats and disagree. It's that simple. We can either have a conversation back and forth or we can proclaim the other one wrong and not respect their opinion. I can see what road you're taking. I disagree with you and let this be the end of the back and forth.

"Stats"... You only mention INTs as the basis of your argument for why he has been in decline.

But for the sake of argument... let's dive into those stats.

2018:
Cmp%: 67
Yds: 5129
TD: 34
INTs: 16
INT%: 2.4
Yds/G: 320.6
Rtg: 96.5
QBR: 71

2007:
Cmp%: 65.3
Yds: 3154
TD: 32
INT: 11
INT%: 2.7
Yds/G: 210.3
Rtg: 104.1
QBR: 75.1

2009:
Cmp%: 66.6
Yds: 4328
TD: 26
INT: 12
INT%: 2.4
Yds/G: 288.5
Rtg: 100.5
QBR: 69

2011:
Cmp%: 63.2
Yds: 4077
TD: 21
INT: 14
INT%: 2.7
Yds/G: 271.8
Rtg: 90.1
QBR: 65

So if INT's are your focus... Then we have to first & foremost say that INT% is your best gauge because his attempts were over 160 MORE in 2018 than the highest of any of the previous 3 years you mentioned (07, 09, 11). So, the only way to properly gauge that INT number with respect to attempts, you have to judge it by the INT%. So judging by those INT% numbers, you're looking at the EXACT SAME QB as any of the years you noted. You could easily support the argument that HAD Ben thrown 160 MORE passes during any one of those years, that he would have amassed an equal amount of INTs. The closest of those years in attempts was 2011 with 513. And he had 14 INTs that year. Just 2 less than in 2018. So don't try and tell me that he wouldn't have thrown 2 more INT's in 120 more attempts.

That's an easy theory to debunk. I don't see how any of those stats you proclaim as "better years" are that drastically different than 2018. If anything these stats support the opposite of your opinion.

I really like Haikus. Can you write me a Haiku instead?

Here is your Haiku
Shut up & sit down Terry
You're shit is wrong bro

 

[Yo Tee]

If you're leading the league in yards I would say you have "adapted" just fine. FFS...

Narcissism... Symptoms include: An excessive need for admiration, disgregard for others' feelings, an inability to handle any criticism, and a sense of entitlement.

Using terms like "obvious", right before saying "in my opinion" is a backhanded way of saying "i'm right".


"Stats"... You only mention INTs as the basis of your argument for why he has been in decline.

But for the sake of argument... let's dive into those stats.

2018:
Cmp%: 67
Yds: 5129
TD: 34
INTs: 16
INT%: 2.4
Yds/G: 320.6
Rtg: 96.5
QBR: 71

2007:
Cmp%: 65.3
Yds: 3154
TD: 32
INT: 11
INT%: 2.7
Yds/G: 210.3
Rtg: 104.1
QBR: 75.1

2009:
Cmp%: 66.6
Yds: 4328
TD: 26
INT: 12
INT%: 2.4
Yds/G: 288.5
Rtg: 100.5
QBR: 69

2011:
Cmp%: 63.2
Yds: 4077
TD: 21
INT: 14
INT%: 2.7
Yds/G: 271.8
Rtg: 90.1
QBR: 65

So if INT's are your focus... Then we have to first & foremost say that INT% is your best gauge because his attempts were over 160 MORE in 2018 than the highest of any of the previous 3 years you mentioned (07, 09, 11). So, the only way to properly gauge that INT number with respect to attempts, you have to judge it by the INT%. So judging by those INT% numbers, you're looking at the EXACT SAME QB as any of the years you noted. You could easily support the argument that HAD Ben thrown 160 MORE passes during any one of those years, that he would have amassed an equal amount of INTs. The closest of those years in attempts was 2011 with 513. And he had 14 INTs that year. Just 2 less than in 2018. So don't try and tell me that he wouldn't have thrown 2 more INT's in 120 more attempts.

That's an easy theory to debunk. I don't see how any of those stats you proclaim as "better years" are that drastically different than 2018. If anything these stats support the opposite of your opinion.



Here is your Haiku
Shut up & sit down Terry
You're shit is wrong bro

We will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Bridgeburner]

If you're leading the league in yards I would say you have "adapted" just fine. FFS...

Narcissism... Symptoms include: An excessive need for admiration, disgregard for others' feelings, an inability to handle any criticism, and a sense of entitlement.

Using terms like "obvious", right before saying "in my opinion" is a backhanded way of saying "i'm right".


"Stats"... You only mention INTs as the basis of your argument for why he has been in decline.

But for the sake of argument... let's dive into those stats.

2018:
Cmp%: 67
Yds: 5129
TD: 34
INTs: 16
INT%: 2.4
Yds/G: 320.6
Rtg: 96.5
QBR: 71

2007:
Cmp%: 65.3
Yds: 3154
TD: 32
INT: 11
INT%: 2.7
Yds/G: 210.3
Rtg: 104.1
QBR: 75.1

2009:
Cmp%: 66.6
Yds: 4328
TD: 26
INT: 12
INT%: 2.4
Yds/G: 288.5
Rtg: 100.5
QBR: 69

2011:
Cmp%: 63.2
Yds: 4077
TD: 21
INT: 14
INT%: 2.7
Yds/G: 271.8
Rtg: 90.1
QBR: 65

So if INT's are your focus... Then we have to first & foremost say that INT% is your best gauge because his attempts were over 160 MORE in 2018 than the highest of any of the previous 3 years you mentioned (07, 09, 11). So, the only way to properly gauge that INT number with respect to attempts, you have to judge it by the INT%. So judging by those INT% numbers, you're looking at the EXACT SAME QB as any of the years you noted. You could easily support the argument that HAD Ben thrown 160 MORE passes during any one of those years, that he would have amassed an equal amount of INTs. The closest of those years in attempts was 2011 with 513. And he had 14 INTs that year. Just 2 less than in 2018. So don't try and tell me that he wouldn't have thrown 2 more INT's in 120 more attempts.

That's an easy theory to debunk. I don't see how any of those stats you proclaim as "better years" are that drastically different than 2018. If anything these stats support the opposite of your opinion.



Here is your Haiku
Shut up & sit down Terry
You're shit is wrong bro

Winner winner chicken dinner

 

[Superbelt]

 

[Superbelt]

Mason scheduled to play against all 5 of the QB's taken before him in last years draft. All in the 1st round.
2018 NFL Draft by Position

Baker Mayfield, Cle
Sam Darnold, NYJ
Josh Allen, Buf
Josh Rosen, Ari
Lamar Jackson, Bal

 

[Wamu]

Mason scheduled to play against all 5 of the QB's taken before him in last years draft. All in the 1st round.
2018 NFL Draft by Position

Baker Mayfield, Cle
Sam Darnold, NYJ
Josh Allen, Buf
Josh Rosen, Ari
Lamar Jackson, Bal

Josh Rosen's in Miami.

 

[Carnzo]

Good luck Steeler fans. I mean that.
You root for a team with a great history and a bright future*.




(*When Tomlin goes)

 

[Superbelt]

Josh Rosen's in Miami.

Ooh, derr. Anyway. Yeah still playing him.

 

[Wamu]

Good luck Steeler fans. I mean that.
You root for a team with a great history and a bright future*.




(*When Tomlin goes)

Why do so many people have an issue with Tomlin? 125-68-1 in his 13th season. And has never had a losing season. If this is Tomlin's last year wonder who the Steelers would get to replace him? I have a suggestion. Hue Jackson.

 

[Superbelt]

Why do so many people have an issue with Tomlin? 125-68-1 in his 13th season. And has never had a losing season. If this is Tomlin's last year wonder who the Steelers would get to replace him? I have a suggestion. Hue Jackson.

He can be too buddy buddy with the players, and not strict enough. And it isn't just how he behaved with AB.

His teams are often underprepared, especially early in the season, and play down to competition consistently.

His in game clock management and his challenges have been pathetic.

We think while he has a very good record, that he has held the Steelers back, rather than been the reason for success. He's been bailed out by Ben (in particular) and other stars consistently.

We've had some great teams that have underperformed because (we believe) of Tomlin's faults as a coach.

Drafting has really gone down hill under Tomlin as he really starting getting more input. And you can tell the players that were his guys by the way he gushes over them, and fawned during pro-days. He has all the worst qualities of Al Davis. All about measurable, and ignores production.

Basically we see him as a Barry Switzer.

Tomlin is a mediocre coach. We could do a lot worse than Tomlin. And we've been ready to roll those dice for years now.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Why do so many people have an issue with Tomlin? 125-68-1 in his 13th season. And has never had a losing season. If this is Tomlin's last year wonder who the Steelers would get to replace him? I have a suggestion. Hue Jackson.

In a nutshell...(speaking for myself)...Tomlin's strengths are more in the overseer type role, player communication, movitation, etc. He performed his best when he had more of a CEO type role and he had established coordinators on both sides of the ball and stacked DEF.

Since they did not renew LeBeau's contract, Tomlin hired a DC that clearly was allowing him to add his 2 cents into the game planning, scheme, etc. and quite simply it has not worked that well when they have played teams with a good QB.

Bottomline...he wants so badly to dispel the thought that he's not a great X & O HC, that I'm not real sure what Butler (DC) is doing anymore on game day or through out the week.

 

[Yo Tee]

Mason Rudolph's stats in his first season as a starting QB in the NFL:

131-203 (64.5%), 1,330 yards, 11 TDs, 4 INTs, 93.41 QB Rating.

He's currently 5th in the league in TD-INT ratio and 10th in comp %.

We know about his lack of deep passes and we know the struggles this offense has had this year. With everything taken into consideration, what would you grade the performance of Mason Rudolph thus far?

 

[SteelersPride]

Mason Rudolph's stats in his first season as a starting QB in the NFL:

131-203 (64.5%), 1,330 yards, 11 TDs, 4 INTs, 93.41 QB Rating.

He's currently 5th in the league in TD-INT ratio and 10th in comp %.

We know about his lack of deep passes and we know the struggles this offense has had this year. With everything taken into consideration, what would you grade the performance of Mason Rudolph thus far?

C. Hes held the ship, but hes been bad. Advanced metrics back it up, having rudolph bw 30-32 depending on whose metrics you use

4. Mason Rudolph

Rudolph, the sixth QB selected in his class, plays with a chip on his shoulder after dropping to the third round, No. 76 overall.

But this season, the Oklahoma State product can boast one more victory (3-2) than Mayfield (2-6), his college Bedlam Series rival.

Sure, two of those victories came against the Little Sisters of the Bengals and Dolphins, but Rudolph has the Steelers at 4-4 this season with Big Ben out for the year with an elbow injury, and in position to make a playoff run in the second half.

Profootballfocus.com has him ranked third in the 2018 class this year with a 52.8 overall grade, which is No. 45 among all QBs.

He’s No. 48 in the league in passing with a 51.7 grade, and No. 47 — last among active QBs — throwing under pressure with a 37.8 rating.

But Rudolph is 15th in the NFL with a 94.7 rating, second in his class only to Jackson. He’s thrown 10 TDs against only four interceptions and is completing 66.1 percent of his attempts for 11th in the NFL.

The Browns will face him twice, beginning Thursday night at FirstEnergy Stadium on national television.


So depends what stats u wanna push. But the advanced stats, and my eyes say hes closer to that 40 some mark.

However as critical of him as i him. He should a little something today. Still not nearly good enough, but some progress., washington too.