Mason Rudolph was the Starting QB for the Steelers

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

BUT...

The best knowledge bomb I've ever dropped here is without a doubt the whole "Conner is a bum! Pee-Rine was still on the board! What are they thinking??!??!"

So. I think I've redeemed myself.

My Q&A for the 2020 prospects will be held this April at the convention center. Seating is limited.

I think you need to be in the driver's seat for the next Hoop Mock draft. As Limas Smith-Schuster would say, it's gon' be LIT!

 

[Bridgeburner]

I think you need to be in the driver's seat for the next Hoop Mock draft. As Limas Smith-Schuster would say, it's gon' be LIT!

Hahaha. I know right!

 

[NFL-Solomon]

I didn't conveniently forget it. I actually went back to the 2018 draft threat and saw lots of people complaining about how we should be planning to win now, not for the future. Imagine if we didn't plan for the future. We'd be stuck with Josh Dobbs, Landry Jones or some other guy we picked up from the 3rd string of another team.

Landry, was just another meh backup, but I hated the idea of Dobbs.
Don't ever give me another "running QB" on the Steelers as long as I live and I will be happy.

 

[Yo Tee]

Thanks for the clarity. Didn't recall these posts. I wouldn't call it a consensus though. There were many of us that were "lukewarm" to the pick, but stated it was an upgrade at the backup position (in one way or another).

FWIW I refuse to believe that Ben was a shell of his former self. He just led the league in yards, posted his 2nd highest QBR, and 3rd highest completion % of his career. I know I'm cherry picking, and there were plenty of terrible plays/games from him last year, but he cleaned it up down the stretch and had a great year. He wasn't the reason this team went 9-6-1.

I definitely agree that he is still a good QB, a top 10 QB in this league and will go down as one of the best all-time. But I can't help but look at games like Chicago and Jacksonville from two years ago (not the playoff game) and Denver from last year and I see a guy who's just trying to throw the ball where he thinks he can, not where he KNOWS he can. Some of that is the evolution of the sport and the evolution of the players playing DB, but some of that is also poor decision making by our QB. Ben will always be a HoF QB, he will also always be, in my opinion, the best QB in franchise history, but it's also okay to admit that he is nowhere near the same QB that he was before the injuries. Maybe a shell of his former self is too dramatic but he's nowhere near what he was and that's a small part of the decline of this team in the last 3-4 years.

 

[Yo Tee]

My daughter used to love the "told you sos". When she was 11.

It's always a fine line between drafting for the future and filling in the gaps to keep a window open but stop acting like the Rudolph pick was the right move. We don't know that yet. Lets hope that he is (I like what I've seen so far but lol, Minshew looked good week one too). And stop painting Ben as a has-been. He was as good as ever and might still be next year if he's able to come back. Ungrateful clowns like you will never appreciate what he's done or give him credit for what he's able to do.

Has-been is a little too far and, honestly, probably is calling him a shell of what he used to be. But, is Ben the same QB that he was before the injuries started? If the answer is no, then everything I've said is still the same. He's not as good as he used to be and along with that, the coaching staff hasn't improved, we haven't gotten better at drafting first round talent, we are JUST starting to get better in the trade and free agent market. The window of winning was 2-3-4 years ago, that window has passed us now and so have most other teams in the AFC. I think it's time we all accept that, unfortunately.

 

[Yo Tee]

Landry, was just another meh backup, but I hated the idea of Dobbs.
Don't ever give me another "running QB" on the Steelers as long as I live and I will be happy.

I don't mind a "running QB" but by "running" I mean being being able to rush out of the pocket when need be. I don't think a guy like Kyler Murray or Lamar Jackson would fit here. I have confidence in Mason Rudolph from the little we saw on Sunday. Only time will tell.

 

[Bridgeburner]

Has-been is a little too far and, honestly, probably is calling him a shell of what he used to be. But, is Ben the same QB that he was before the injuries started? If the answer is no, then everything I've said is still the same. He's not as good as he used to be and along with that, the coaching staff hasn't improved, we haven't gotten better at drafting first round talent, we are JUST starting to get better in the trade and free agent market. The window of winning was 2-3-4 years ago, that window has passed us now and so have most other teams in the AFC. I think it's time we all accept that, unfortunately.

Ben was just as good as he ever was up to this point. Beyond this point is anyone's guess.

 

[NFL-Solomon]

I don't mind a "running QB" but by "running" I mean being being able to rush out of the pocket when need be. I don't think a guy like Kyler Murray or Lamar Jackson would fit here. I have confidence in Mason Rudolph from the little we saw on Sunday. Only time will tell.

Scrambling, is not running. You know what I mean.

 

[Yo Tee]

Ben was just as good as he ever was up to this point. Beyond this point is anyone's guess.

You're saying that the Ben that played in 2007, 2009, 2011, would make the mistakes he's made the last 2-3 years? Because I don't think that's true. Yes, he's always thrown INTs, but not at this rate.

 

[Bridgeburner]

You're saying that the Ben that played in 2007, 2009, 2011, would make the mistakes he's made the last 2-3 years? Because I don't think that's true. Yes, he's always thrown INTs, but not at this rate.

There are a lot of variables involved. It's not the same game/game plan now that it was in 2007-11.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

Low-key hoping the "Rudy" chant becomes a thing at Heinz field...

 

[Yo Tee]

There are a lot of variables involved. It's not the same game/game plan now that it was in 2007-11.

Ben hasn't adapted very well to the changes while other QBs have. That's my point. The game has changed, the DB position has evolved while Ben seems to have not.

 

[Bridgeburner]

Ben hasn't adapted very well to the changes while other QBs have. That's my point. The game has changed, the DB position has evolved while Ben seems to have not.

And my point is you are wrong. Plainly and clearly.

He's adapted well enough to be in the conversation as a top 5 quarterback in the NFL over the last 3-5 years despite enduring some of the worst coaching and play-calling of his career. Some day you'll look back on these years and wish you appreciated him more and enjoyed watching him play more than you did.

 

[Wamu]

Low-key hoping the "Rudy" chant becomes a thing at Heinz field...

You should change your BigBen avi to this.

 

[Wamu]

Ben hasn't adapted very well to the changes while other QBs have. That's my point. The game has changed, the DB position has evolved while Ben seems to have not.

Wouldn't it have been a little tough for BigBen to turn into a pass-happy QB when the Steelers have usually been a run dominant team?

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

You should change your BigBen avi to this.

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That's my fantasy football avi.

 

[knowyourenemy]

If Rudolph doesn’t work out, the Steelers MUST sign Colin Kaepernick. Give it 2-3 games. Even if they win, if Rudolph doesn’t set the world on fire, there’s no reason not to bring Kaepernick in.

 

[Wamu]

If Rudolph doesn’t work out, the Steelers MUST sign Colin Kaepernick. Give it 2-3 games. Even if they win, if Rudolph doesn’t set the world on fire, there’s no reason not to bring Kaepernick in.

I'd like to know the list of current back up's that have won 4 playoff games. Kaepernick's only 28-30 as a starter. But I'd bet alotta money that's more wins than most (or maybe any other) back up in the league right now. And no mentioning Eli!

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

If Rudolph doesn’t work out, the Steelers MUST sign Colin Kaepernick. Give it 2-3 games. Even if they win, if Rudolph doesn’t set the world on fire, there’s no reason not to bring Kaepernick in.

There is a good reason not to... We call him "The Duck"

 

[Yo Tee]

And my point is you are wrong. Plainly and clearly.

He's adapted well enough to be in the conversation as a top 5 quarterback in the NFL over the last 3-5 years despite enduring some of the worst coaching and play-calling of his career. Some day you'll look back on these years and wish you appreciated him more and enjoyed watching him play more than you did.

I would appreciate if we don't the whole "you're wrong" thing. We have differing opinions, neither one of us can be wrong.

I appreciate him enough to say that he is the best QB in our franchise history. All I'm saying is, it's obvious, in my opinion, that his best years are behind him and have been for a few years now.