Mariners Trade deadline 2013

[cezero]

Hey everyone, I'm another outcast from the ESPN boards just hoping to carry on the conversation about the M's.

To the OP's question, I don't really see the M's doing any significant trades this year because I don't think the higher ups will allow Jack Z and his staff to make trades since they're on the Hot Seat.

If I'm wrong about that though, I think the best you could hope for is a other teams Top 10 prospect (probably their 4th or 5th best prospect) and a relief arm for Morales. I don't see Iwakuma or Raul going anywhere.

Great to see you, John.

I think you're probably right. I really hope so, actually.

 

[unlvmariners]

I really don't think there will be many moves at the trade deadline.

We have a lot of leverage on Morales after this season if we want to resign him. I don't think teams will want to give up a draft pick to get him. So it may make sense to hang on to Morales unless the prospect we get in return is near the majors and has huge potential.

Joe Saunders makes sense to trade. I don't think you will get much for him but I think you can trade him and open up a rotation spot for one of the young guys if they decide to call someone up.

Oliver Perez is also probably gone. Again I don't think you get much for him.

I think the majority of the trades will be minor ones. I don't think the players we would trade would fetch much from other teams. I don't think the value is as high on some of these players as you would think.

 

[Cloud]

I think you'd be surprise to know what the M's can fetch from a player like Ibanez to a contender. Back in the days when the M's was competing, the front office was heavily criticized for sitting on their hands when they needed another bat that could help them in the postseason. I'm willing to bet there are contending teams from now until the deadline that will be in the same situation.

I do agree with the fact that the question remains: What can we get with Ibanez?

I don't see much because with all the prospects the M's are rushing up this season, so it would be nice to have some veteran presence around the clubhouse. But know that we can never have too much prospects. At this point, i think that's what Ibanez can get us and what contending teams are willing to give up.. a couple of decent prospects.

Perhaps I'm overrating Ibanez just a little, but who knows.

 

[unlvmariners]

Just off the top of my head, possible buyers (with solid to decent farm systems) for Ibanez, Morales, Perez, etc.:

Arizona (Ranked #10) - They need more power in their lineup and Goldschmidt is the only guy so far.

Boston (Ranked #4) - Possible to get Carp back here for a full time OF? Doubt it, but they do have Napoli to play 1st if that were to happen. Throw Smoak in the deal perhaps.

New York Yankees (Ranked #12) - Cashman could be desperate as the Yankees are sitting 6 games out right now.

Cincinnati (Ranked #16) - They could really use a bat in LF.

Either way, there are a nice handful of teams that I'm sure would part with some nice chips for their playoff push and Seattle has some nice bait to dangle out there.

I think the Red Sox system is drastically overrated, although I really like one of the 3rd basemen they have, Garin Cecchini. Same with the Yankees. I actually like a lot of Arizona's prospects and would be happy to land a few of them if possible.

It would be nice to get a big time outfield prospect, that seems to be a weaker spot in the Mariners organization. But it may be tough to get a big time prospect because I don't think the trade chips that the Mariners have have the value to bring in big time prospects.

 

[Logicallylethal]

Ideally I would like to keep Morales, Morse, and Perez.

I just don't like the idea of always trading away good talent just for the sake of trading them away. It seems like, especially with our front office, we are never able to get anything in return for any of our trade assets.

Out of those 3 I would prefer to resign Morales. He's the first legit middle of the order hitter that we've had in a long time. I really like Morse's power but his injury issues are definitely a concern. Perez...I really like his arm in the bullpen. Plus if we traded him what can we really get in return...a double a hitter that never makes it to the major league?

Maybe I'm just pessimistic but I don't have any faith in our front office bringing back anything of value for our trade pieces.

If some team wows us with a top prospect for Morales or Morse (preferably Morse) then I say pull the trigger. But if we get some package where we get back some Casper Wells and some other double a player that will never make the bigs...why make the trade just for the sake of making it. Put effort into trying to resign Morales and move forward with him.

I understand that we're still far away from winning...but we still should put out a decent product on the field.

 

[seahawksfan234]

I'm honestly tired of prospects.

When healthy Morales and Morse are both valuable players and I'd hate to see them go for another Jesus Montero. The Mariners have the capital to re-sign both of them. We can't just sit back in this "sell, sell, sell" mindset forever, the Mariners have some good key pieces up in the majors right now and letting two good players like Morales and Morse go is a big mistake.

I'll forever be an optimist but I believe with the current roster we have, if you improve the starting pitching and tweak a few things here and there the Mariners could have a contender next year if things play out right. If you trade or let Morales/Morse walk then you have two spots to fill again, and sorry but I'm really not interested in watching Jason Bay being a starter for us next year.

 

[wazzu31]

There really isn't a point in making a trade just to make a trade. If they can't net anything back then what is the point? There aren't any position players right now "blocking a prospect" Trading Iwakuma would be utterly foolish, the big 3 are getting close but all of them will be shut down by September.

The trade I'd love to see is everyone Howard, Chuck, Jack Z, Wedge, the developmental scouts and the US scouts for Mark Cuban and his people to be named later.

 

[blstoker]

So the M's trade Alex Liddi to Baltimore in a trade that I admit I don't fully understand. I'm not sure exactly what the real positive is in the deal, but Liddi most likely had seen his last days with the big club so moving him probably isn't so bad.

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2013/7/7/4500158/orioles-acquire-alex-liddi-from-mariners

 

[dude82]

So the M's trade Alex Liddi to Baltimore in a trade that I admit I don't fully understand. I'm not sure exactly what the real positive is in the deal, but Liddi most likely had seen his last days with the big club so moving him probably isn't so bad.

Orioles acquire Alex Liddi from Mariners - MLB Daily Dish

The way I understand it, every team has a certain amount of money that they're allowed to spend on international players under the current CBA. Baltimore was slotted higher than we were (not sure how that is determined... possibly size of payroll), so they were allowed to spend more money on international players than we were. With this trade, the M's sent Liddi to Baltimore, but they also traded places with Baltimore in the international player slotting system, so now the M's have more money to spend internationally than they did prior to the trade. The slotting system applies to all international players except for, I believe, Cuban defectors and Asian players. If a team sees a Cuban player they like that is available, I think they can still pay him whatever they want. Same with Japanese/Korean free agents. For players still under Japanese/Korean League control, I think the posting system is still the only way to acquire those players. Again, this is just how I understand it. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[unlvmariners]

The trade I'd love to see is everyone Howard, Chuck, Jack Z, Wedge, the developmental scouts and the US scouts for Mark Cuban and his people to be named later.

I would be on board with this! We need an owner who gives a shit.

 

[Thisnamewasntaken]

We should be trading Iwakuma while his value is high, and now he even has the "All-Star" tag.

 

[johnfree63]

We should be trading Iwakuma while his value is high, and now he even has the "All-Star" tag.

Is this the best time to trade Iwakuma? Yes

Should the M's trade Iwakuma? NO

Why? Cause I truly believe Jack Z and Eric Wedge won't be around next year, so I don't think they should have any influence on a trade for any player under contract past this year.

I'm fine with Jack Z trading Morse, Joe Saunders, Ibanez, Ryan or Perez because you gotta get what you can out of those guys but any decision about anyone with team control left should be made by the next GM and Manager.

 

[Cloud]

Is this the best time to trade Iwakuma? Yes

Should the M's trade Iwakuma? NO

Why? Cause I truly believe Jack Z and Eric Wedge won't be around next year, so I don't think they should have any influence on a trade for any player under contract past this year.

I'm fine with Jack Z trading Morse, Joe Saunders, Ibanez, Ryan or Perez because you gotta get what you can out of those guys but any decision about anyone with team control left should be made by the next GM and Manager.

Morse has been too injury prone this year for the M's to trade him. Hell, even if they can who would want him unless he's 100% and confident that he will help them for the playoff push?

 

[cezero]

I'm on the fence about Kuma.

 

[seahawksfan234]

I would not trade Iwakuma. I think the Mariners could have a competitive team next year if they make the right moves. Trading Iwakuma is just indicating that we are starting another 3 year rebuilding process.

 

[Tapey]

apparently another team asked about whilhelmsen and the M's wanted that teams top pitching prospect

Rosenthal On Buyers/Sellers, Arrieta, Ruggiano: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

 

[SeattleCoug]

I also would not trade Kuma. Im kinda tired of the whole "trade a quality starter, get a few mid level prospects who never ever seem to pan out" game. See Cliff Lee, Doug Fister, Brandon Morrow, Michael Pineda, etc. etc.

For the 1st year in a while I am actually hoping we stand pat for the most part. I do not feel like we have pieces who will get a quality prospect so I do not see the point and making a major trade.

I think Oliver Perez likely gets dealt and maybe you see Joe Saunders get moved. Thats about it I think.

Raul maybe if he requests to go to contender then I feel like we would honor that.

 

[octagondd]

Maybe the Dodgers can use Perez and/or Saunders.

 

[NWinAZ]

The Rays are believed to have checked in on Mariners bats such as Raul Ibanez and Kendrys Morales, writes Jon Heyman of CBS Sports in the most recent edition of his Stock Watch column. He speculates that the Yankees and Rangers would also make sense as potential trade partners for Seattle.
From that same piece, Heyman adds that Joe Saunders is likely more available than either Morales or Ibanez. After a brutal start to the season, Saunders has a 2.37 ERA over his past nine starts. The Mariners are currently deciding when to begin a sale, says Heyman.

 

[NWinAZ]

C.J. Cron, 1B | Los Angeles Angels
Stats: .288/.332/.439, 8 HRs (Double-A Arkansas)
The Angels have the first-base and designated hitter positions tied up for years to come with Albert Pujols signed to a $240 million deal through 2021 and the salary arbitration rights to Mark Trumbo through 2017. Therefore, Cron is expendable.
Cron, 23, was a first-round pick in 2011, and I think he has 30-homer potential. He could be used in a trade package to acquire Chase Headley of the Padres or a good pitching prospect, such as Danny Hultzen of the Mariners or Chris Archer of the Rays.
Per ESPN
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Funny if it ever happened, and it is just speculation on the reporters part, but we drafted his brother and he didn't sign with us.