Mariners Trade deadline 2013

[NWinAZ]

I know what you are saying. His risk of injury is higher due to his past problem and he is always one bad move away from ending his career. I hope he stays and re-signs, but M's do have to protect themselves in a deal if possible. I admit every time I see him hit a double I worry he is about to call the trainers out.

I am a basketballoholic and I messed up my ankle (didn't break somehow) about a year ago and I haven't been the same since and I rarely play after playing for most of my life. I can't imagine how he does it after his ugly injury.

 

[Logicallylethal]

Red Sox's closer Andrew Bailey is out for the year...

Let's see if we can get back at least a solid b level prospect for Oliver Perez or even Big Tom

 

[Banned 10x]

Don't kill me for this, but with 9 days to go until the trade deadline and the Mariners playing as well as they are right now, could we be buyers? We are 11 games back of Oakland and 9.5 games back of Tampa for the Wild Card with 3 against Cleveland (good team) and 4 against Minnesota before the trade deadline.

 

[octagondd]

Don't kill me for this, but with 9 days to go until the trade deadline and the Mariners playing as well as they are right now, could we be buyers? We are 11 games back of Oakland and 9.5 games back of Tampa for the Wild Card with 3 against Cleveland (good team) and 4 against Minnesota before the trade deadline.

I like the optimism, but for the long haul, we are better off getting value from Morales, Perez, maybe Wilhelmsen. Who knows, maybe Joe Saunders if he pitches well on Wednesday.

I would love nothing more than to win every series from now to the end of the season and somehow have the Rangers or A's falter along with the Angels play .500 or worse, but I just don't see it happening. '95 was miraculous and so was 2001, so chances are low that we can get another miracle season.

 

[seahawksfan234]

As nice as it would be to see that happen I think I recall seeing that the Mariners would have to play ridiculously good baseball just to hit 90 wins. I think with the current roster they could have a solid 2nd half, but I don't think that they could seriously contend, even if they made a move at the trade deadline.

 

[wazzu31]

Don't kill me for this, but with 9 days to go until the trade deadline and the Mariners playing as well as they are right now, could we be buyers? We are 11 games back of Oakland and 9.5 games back of Tampa for the Wild Card with 3 against Cleveland (good team) and 4 against Minnesota before the trade deadline.

I think the Mariners could be buyers if Jack gets creative. It would have to be a multi team deal because the Mariners do have some trading chips but won't get much back such as Saunders Perez, Wilhelmsen, Ryan. Doubt Jack will have the authority but if there is a multi team deal there ways the M's can get rid of those guys in deals and possibly add a couple prospects like Paxton, Ramirez, Ackley and net something farely good back. In order for the M's to make any "big splash" it would have to involve Walker and I am highly against that as of right now.

But in that same token, if the M's were to become "buyers" how much would it benefit them because they are almost guaranteed not getting a MLB ready guy who will be under team control past this year.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Most of the time being a buyer at the trade deadline basically entails acquiring an established veteran player with a contract expiration in the next year or two.

By this definition I don't expect the Mariners to be buyers, nor would I want them to. If the Mariners are going to be buyers at the trade deadline I would hope that it would be for a player who will help now and in the future, and unfortunately players like that are not easy to come across.

In order to reach 90 wins (which still might not be enough) the Mariners would need to go 44-20 the rest of the way. Which would be a .687 winning percentage. To put that in perspective, at 59-37 the St. Louis Cardinals have the major leagues best record, which is a .615 winning percentage.

I'm not sure what players there are available (if there are any) who are on the right side of 30 and are under team control for a few more years that the Mariners could acquire. But even that + getting Morse back I don't believe would push this team to suddenly become a .687 team.

 

[seafan]

Id trade raul, perez, saunders and i think we'd be able to get something of value for them. I dont buy the arguement that somehow raul has no value because of his age. Hes top ten in the AL in homeruns. Sure age deminishes his value but to act like we wouldnt get much in return is unthinkable to me. Which playoff team would he not make better.... And most trade deadline deals are rentals anyways.

Anyways.....kinda went off from what i was going to talk about but yea. Id also trade ryan if we could get anything of value. Bag of balls , shoe polish you know something of equal value.

I wouldnt trade morales, morse , iwakuma or wilmhelsen. Morales's qualifying offer keeps him here, it gives us a better shot at resigning him and it also pushes what we would want for him over what anyone would want to give up. Id like to resign morse also and his value is about as low as it can go.

 

[dude82]

Id trade raul, perez, saunders and i think we'd be able to get something of value for them. I dont buy the arguement that somehow raul has no value because of his age. Hes top ten in the AL in homeruns. Sure age deminishes his value but to act like we wouldnt get much in return is unthinkable to me. Which playoff team would he not make better.... And most trade deadline deals are rentals anyways.

Anyways.....kinda went off from what i was going to talk about but yea. Id also trade ryan if we could get anything of value. Bag of balls , shoe polish you know something of equal value.

I wouldnt trade morales, morse , iwakuma or wilmhelsen. Morales's qualifying offer keeps him here, it gives us a better shot at resigning him and it also pushes what we would want for him over what anyone would want to give up. Id like to resign morse also and his value is about as low as it can go.

Older players don't typically have much value to teams in a trade scenario because, as good as they might have been up to that point, you never know when the day that they just don't have it anymore is going to come and there will be plenty of teams scared off by that possibility. Some players age gracefully and gradually and some players fall of a cliff production-wise. Given that he's over 40 and has played a lot more than he was expected to play this year, other teams have all the more reason to think that he's getting close to that cliff and will shy away from giving up too much for him because of that.

Throw in that he's the team's leader and mentor in the clubhouse on top of what he's done on the field and the M's would have been likely to ask for a lot more than any team would have been willing to give up. I say "would have" because Raul has already requested that he not be traded, and given his aforementioned value to the team, I'm sure Zduriencik feels compelled to honor that request. It's not that he has "no value", it's that he has more value to the Mariners than any other team in the league and when that's the case, anything you could get for him wouldn't be enough.

 

[octagondd]

I think someone posted a link to an article which either inferred or outright stated Raul was asked by the team if he wanted to be traded, and he did not want to be traded. I will have to look that up and verify. It is sort of what I figured he would do. He is here because he spent many years with this team and he can be a more active contributor than say on the Yanks. This season he has definitely contributed more due to his hot hitting and our injuries. I hope he signs for one more year and he can mentor the kids some more.

 

[NWinAZ]

If Peralta for Detroit gets suspended in that deal, then Detroit would be looking for a starting SS and Ryan would be a great fit for them. He doesn't need to hit in that lineup and they need his defense with Cabrera at 3B. They are also looking for bullpen arms so maybe a package deal for a REAL prospect and not for 5 whatevers. I am also a big fan of Smyly's and think he could be a #3 SP for M's next year.

 

[seahawksfan234]

If Peralta for Detroit gets suspended in that deal, then Detroit would be looking for a starting SS and Ryan would be a great fit for them. He doesn't need to hit in that lineup and they need his defense with Cabrera at 3B. They are also looking for bullpen arms so maybe a package deal for a REAL prospect and not for 5 whatevers. I am also a big fan of Smyly's and think he could be a #3 SP for M's next year.

I think it mostly depends if the Tigers will see the value in Brendan Ryan's defense. His bat is pretty hard to look past for most people. It's a matter of if the Tigers don't cringe at the thought of the black hole Brendan Ryan's bat would put in their lineup.

I personally believe that Ryan's defense offsets his terrible batting average, but I know a lot of people would disagree with that statement.

After the destruction that was the Doug Fister deal I'm not sure I want to trade with Detriot ever again.

 

[seahawksfan234]

I would have thrown a bankruptcy joke into that post but Wazzu already beat me to it...

 

[cezero]

I think someone posted a link to an article which either inferred or outright stated Raul was asked by the team if he wanted to be traded, and he did not want to be traded.

He told Stone he doesn't want to be traded this year.

I'm betting he would like to stay here beyond, too. 10 years with the M's, and retirement can't be too far away for him, no matter his success this year.

 

[wazzu31]

I would have thrown a bankruptcy joke into that post but Wazzu already beat me to it...

Haha, what about Braun? I'm sure the Brewers would take Ryan off the M's hand for Braun.

 

[NWinAZ]

Haha, what about Braun? I'm sure the Brewers would take Ryan off the M's hand for Braun.

Don't laugh, I still have a sinking feeling in my gut we trade Hultzen and Ackley for him in the off season. I think Brewers are done with him and M's will be that desperate for a #4 hitter that they might do it. Time will tell.

 

[NWinAZ]

I think it mostly depends if the Tigers will see the value in Brendan Ryan's defense. His bat is pretty hard to look past for most people. It's a matter of if the Tigers don't cringe at the thought of the black hole Brendan Ryan's bat would put in their lineup.

I personally believe that Ryan's defense offsets his terrible batting average, but I know a lot of people would disagree with that statement.

After the destruction that was the Doug Fister deal I'm not sure I want to trade with Detroit ever again.

I think Ryan is the perfect fit for Detroit. I also think his defense makes up for any bad offense he gives especially on a stud offensive team like the Tigers. It would make their pitchers that much happier and better. They wouldn't get much more then a 'B' prospect at best.

 

[dude82]

As weird as it sounds, I think Ryan is probably one of the more likely players on our roster to get traded. With Miller doing as well as he is defensively at shortstop, Ryan's most (some would say his only) useful trait coming off the bench is no longer of any use to the Mariners, which means he's currently clogging up a spot on the roster.

There's always at least one team at the deadline looking for someone they can use as a defensive replacement/utility player and with Morse presumably coming back soon, an open roster spot necessary to bring him back and Ryan's taking up of a roster spot while providing nothing of value to the team... it's a situation that practically screams "trade on the horizon", even though the Mariners know that they're not going to get much value in return.

If they need a middle infielder at some point during the final two months of the season, they can always use Ackley at second base since Morse's return and Saunders' recent play would suggest that Ackley's time in the outfield is likely to be limited.

 

[NWinAZ]

Remember, someone actually traded for Jack Wilson at the trade deadline so anything is possible.

 

[wazzu31]

Don't laugh, I still have a sinking feeling in my gut we trade Hultzen and Ackley for him in the off season. I think Brewers are done with him and M's will be that desperate for a #4 hitter that they might do it. Time will tell.

Depending on how much cash the Brewers put into the deal, I actually would not be opposed to it. Something has to be done with Ackley because with Franklin, there isn't room for Ackley on the roster. I am probably the only person around that thinks Hultzen has a low ceiling and would much rather him be dealt than Paxton