Mariners Offseason 2024-25

[NWinAZ]

Yanks, Astros, Mariners Spoke To Cubs About Cody Bellinger

The Yankees, Astros and Mariners are among the teams that have spoken to the Cubs about Cody Bellinger. Get more details at MLB Trade Rumors.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

 

[NWinAZ]

Well, if contracts keep spiraling upward the way they are now, I'm not sure I would uinvest any money in the current starting lineup. Cal, as solid a he has been, has been abused. He's starting about 20-25 games at catcher more than he should be. Its going compromise his shelf life as an effecttive offensive weapon. We've seen it happen to too many catchers.

ARoz is probably only going to be with the Mariners one more year. He's an FA in 2027 and will undoubtedy get an 8-figure contract when he goes to arbitration next winter, no matter how much he plays of sucks. My guess they trade in July or next winter.

If Gilbert, FA in 2028, keeps on this pace for another two years, it will take 7 years/$260 million to re-sign him.
Kirby, FA in 2029, 7 years/$210 million
Gilbert and Kirby will both be 31 when they hit free agency
Woo will be a year younger, at 30, when he hits FA in 2030. It's too soon to tell about him, but assumming he keeps it going, 8 years/$304 million.
Bryce Miller will be an 'old man' at 32 when he becomes a FA in 2030. Who knows how he will pan out. But again, keeping the glass half full, 6 years/$180 million.

If anyone gets traded this winter, my money is on Kirby who regressed a little last season. Not much, but enough to be noticeable. Castillo is the guy I'd prefer they traded. He's 32 years old and is still owed $91million. But, Kirby, with no contract baggage, will be easier to move and bring back a better package.

Agree completely. The only argument I would make is a real team might extend one or two of them now buying out their arb years. But ya, waiting until they become free agents might be betting on dead horses.

As far as Castillo goes, we don't need his mediocre talent or $25M salary. He is replaceable and can fetch younger talent. I think that is actually a must do this offseason.

I just read M's have spoken to Cubs about Bellinger and Hoerner. Deal them Castillo and their choice of the Mitch's plus one of their extra minor league infielders plus Tyler Locklear. Sign Sasaki. The team would be better and the payroll would actually be less leaving money to buy a 3B.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I guess years of being beaten down by this club that I am fine with going middle ground on changes. I don't know if these cheap bastards will even do that, but I am ok with it as long as it is a step forward. I hear they are talking to Cubs about Hoerner and talking about Walker for 1B. I could live with that and it is actually achievable.

Hoerner $11.5M for 2025
Walker $15M? for 2025

That is $26.5M for 2025 and by trading Castillo they save $24.150M. Get Cubs to pay the difference for 2025 and call it even. Use the International money for Sasaki and it doesn't change the budget leaving the $16M they budgeted for a 3B and BP.

I could live with that. If they could really dump Garver as reports suggest, then that saves another $10M for more BP.

Edit: One site predicts $20M per year for Walker. Maybe they can stay at my $15M for year one and raise year 2 and 3. Here is what they say about him.

13. Christian Walker: Three years, $60MM

Tim: Tigers / Anthony: Yankees / Darragh: Yankees / Steve: Astros

In April 2020, Steve Adams wrote a piece for the site entitled “The D-backs replaced Paul Goldschmidt with a waiver claim — and it worked.” At the time, Walker had waited five years for an everyday opportunity in the majors, languishing in Triple-A behind names like Chris Davis, Mark Trumbo, Freddie Freeman, Joey Votto and the titular Goldschmidt while being passed around on waivers. The Snakes even succeeded in passing Walker through waivers unclaimed.

At the time, Walker was coming off one breakout season but had plenty of questions surrounding him. He’d hit 29 home runs but done so in the juiced-ball season of 2019. Was the power legitimate? Yes, he could play defense, but could he sustain his offensive production over a longer period and truly become a starting-caliber first baseman?

Yes. To all of it. And then some.

Walker has been one of the game’s most underrated and overlooked stars for the past several seasons. He’s a premium defender who has emerged as a consistent threat to swat 30 home runs in a given season. He no longer runs that well, but at his best he even had above-average speed. Walker has won a Gold Glove in each of the past two seasons and will probably win his third in 2024 after posting terrific marks in Outs Above Average (13) and Defensive Runs Saved (7). He made just two errors in 2024, his second straight season with only two on the year.

That defense and a sharp 9.9% walk rate across the past three seasons give Walker a nice floor even in the absence of offensive production, but that hasn’t been an issue for him. The slugger hit .251/.335/.468 with 26 homers in just 130 games this season. Were it not for an oblique strain that resulted in his first IL placement since 2021 (also for an oblique strain), he’d have topped 30 homers for a third straight season. Since Opening Day 2022, Walker is a .250/.332/.481 hitter. He torched lefties in 2022-23 while posting merely above-average numbers against righties, but his 2024 splits (and his career-long splits) are more balanced.

The sole reason that Walker seems limited to a three-year deal is age. He played this past season at 33 and will turn 34 during spring training next year. Were Walker a few years younger, he’d likely rank ahead of Alonso on this list, given his vastly superior defense. Three-year deals for first base/DH types at this age are rare but all generally fall in the same range. Jose Abreu received an ill-fated $58.5MM guarantee beginning in his age-36 season. Edwin Encarnacion and Carlos Santana both signed for three years and $60MM — Encarnacion starting in his age-34 season and Santana in his age-32 season. Walker should follow suit with a three-year guarantee at around $20MM, give or take a million or two. The Astros, Mariners, Yankees, D-backs, Giants and Nats could be involved (as could the Mets, depending where Alonso signs).

Walker is going to get 20-30mil per. I wish 15mil to get him here but essentially he's going to want that payday. I'd still take him at 25 to 30mil per for 3yrs. I think he's a tad of a late bloomer that still has a good 5yrs of baseball.

 

[NWinAZ]

Walker is going to get 20-30mil per. I wish 15mil to get him here but essentially he's going to want that payday. I'd still take him at 25 to 30mil per for 3yrs. I think he's a tad of a late bloomer that still has a good 5yrs of baseball.

Maybe so. I am never good at predicting prices.

 

[NWinAZ]

Locked On Mariners say a good source mentioned Cubs-White Sox-Mariners talking deal. Crochet to Cubs, Hoerner to Mariners, Prospects to Sox. They said Emerson and Henry Ford were prospects mentioned and if so more should be coming back. Then after all this they say talks might be dead...lol.

 

[NWinAZ]

 

[NWinAZ]

From another source:

David Kaplan confirms the Cubs’ interest in trading for a “high-impact” starter, name-checking the White Sox and Mariners, like everyone else. But unlike everyone else, Kaplan dropped a different Mariners starter of interest:

“Lot of rumors out there. I made some calls today, and there’s some smoke here, we’ll see if there’s fire. Cubs are reportedly looking at a high-end starting pitcher via trade – not in free agency – and are reportedly involved in trade talks with the White Sox on Garrett Crochet and the Mariners on Luis Castillo.”

 

[ulmax]

Yanks, Astros, Mariners Spoke To Cubs About Cody Bellinger

The Yankees, Astros and Mariners are among the teams that have spoken to the Cubs about Cody Bellinger. Get more details at MLB Trade Rumors.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

Yeah..watch..
Ty.and..colby...they seem to have.
Smoke happening..

In belinger.and..horner.is the big one for.
Seattle...


My take on.it

they may want belinger at.
1b.but.could..
Just as well ..ship.him.else.where
On a pre made deal...
Who knows...

A la.marco Gonzales..to .atlanta..then.pittsburgh

 

[ulmax]

Cuz I know there were rumars of.
Belinger to phili..is the only reason.
I say that..
But .settles.intrest..well.
Could be for .Seattle..
They could use a left handed bat.
High.in the order..

 

[ulmax]

Either way..i.think mariners want.
Horner..is the big one .2b.

 

[ulmax]

Colby and ty..think 3 team.
Deals and they don't happen..
These day..
Cuz there are guys on the other phone.
Sometimes .
Lololol

Just waiting.for the.other deal to be done

 

[ulmax]

Everything.is pie in the sky..

Tell.its not..

 

[ulmax]

Bellinger...break down..
In terms of cost..

If you think..break.it.into.many..
Could go a long way..
Is the other reason...
Still...it's pie in the sky.

 

[ulmax]

Comp.A picks..given by mlb..for 2025.
Draft..that are
Tradable.

1 brewers.
2 tigars.

3..mariners.

4 twins.
5 rays
6 reds.
7Athletics.
8 marlins..

Think.sloan.value.in this one..
Or ty peete

 

[ulmax]

Round b..
Yes tradable.
.1clevland.
2 Baltimore
3 Arizona...
4 royals..
5cardinnals.
6.pirates.
7 Rockies..

 

[ulmax]

Get 2 or 3..and you really have something.
2 would be enough..with slot value.

Or.
#1.
Comp.A.
#2..
Comp.b.

Would be good.

 

[ulmax]

Guys I would not want to trade

Cole young.
Colt.Emmerson.
Ty peete..
Celestin..

Basically..2x..short stop..or 2b.
Horner is only for 3 years.

 

[ulmax]

So if they trade Cole young .
But they need not to.
Cuz of left handed..ness.

Ty peete..and.
Celestine..are really worth a lot to mariners..

And Crawford is not getting any younger

 

[ulmax]

You like to pair them .like 2 shortstops.
2 2b.
2 3 b..
And on down the line.
Cuz chances of mlb in the 1st place are not great.

 

[ulmax]

But the window for mariners.
Pitchers.
Gilbert.
And kerby
Is know..
So that's a.factore.