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Mariano Rivera blows (the game) & Paps returns to Fenway

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Wait!!
Was it a salary dump or getting rid of AWFUL players and contracts dump...they are not the same thing.

If A-Gon was what they thought and so were Beckett and Crawford - and they were leading the division, would they have dumped salary?

no.


problem is
agon wasnt what they thought (remember the easy 50 HR predictions at fenway), crawford was a scared shell of himself, and beckett...well, he becketts
 

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Wait!!
Was it a salary dump or getting rid of AWFUL players and contracts dump...they are not the same thing.

If A-Gon was what they thought and so were Beckett and Crawford - and they were leading the division, would they have dumped salary?

no.

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they had to move agon to move beckett and crawford

im not convinced they wanted to let Agon go

he produced when he was here, power numbers down, but he earned his money
 

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Cliff Lee? how old is he?

no thank you, not for that money

2013 is pure gravy, you dont give up prospects for that guy unless you are a title contender this year

and giving up on middlebrooks already? ummmmmmmm, no


totally

hes 34, owed a TON of money, and would wipe out our top prospects

think they wouldnt want boegarts? (can never spell his name)
 

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Problem is. I Don't see the Phillies having the motivation to move him unless they were getting a top Prospect..

Ranaudo is close...so is Almazar...especially based on this years production...

And 12 months ago? WMB was a "top prospect"....durability is a concern, but the bat is very legit (sans start of this year)....

I think Lee's trade value is being a little over-jetered here...he's a 34 year old pitcher that is owed nearly a $100m...if that contract goes to shit due to injury? The phils are fooked...
 

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Let's not pretend for a second you've heard of a single name there other than Middlebrooks...

How many teams are capable of taking the almost $100m Lee is owed completely from the Phils?

It's more than Boston got back in their deal with the Dodgers last year....

Gives the Phils tons of salary relief, and immediate 3rd base option under controll for 4+ more seasons, and 3 solid to excellent prospects...

Not sure they could do much better...and I wouldn't offer half that for Matt Garza...
Boston isn't getting Cliff Lee for that pile of shit.

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Front Running Bitch Downs, I still feel like you owe me an apology. I would definitely apologize if I was so stupid as you were at that moment.
 

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Boston’s Booing Of Jonathan Papelbon Is Really A Simple Matter

By Michael Hurley, CBS Boston

May 29, 2013 11:06 AM

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BOSTON (CBS) — Is it really this complicated, folks?
On Tuesday night, Jonathan Papelbon made the familiar jog from right field (albeit a few foot over from his normal spot) to the mound at Fenway Park, a path he had blazed more than 200 times in his career. This time was different, though, as he was donning a Phillies uniform and was trying to shut down the Red Sox in the ninth, rather than preserving a Boston win.
And the home crowd booed. A lot.
Even before Papelbon sent Jonny Gomes, Dustin Pedroia and David Ortiz down in order, questioning of just how the fans could boo Papelbon began.
“Don’t these idiot fans know how great Papelbon was for them?”
“What did Papelbon ever do wrong to Boston?”

“The Red Sox never wanted to sign him to a long-term deal, so why boo him?”
Logically, all of those questions are fair, and the answers are all obvious. But none of them have anything to do with why Papelbon was booed.
Papelbon was booed because he is on the other team, and he was entering the game to try to beat the home team. The Boston crowd, as you might expect, didn’t want to see that happen, so they booed. They wanted Papelbon to fail so that the Red Sox could win.
End of story.
And any outrage, feigned or authentic, about the booting is disingenuous or uninformed, because it overlooks the fact that during Monday night’s game, the Red Sox played a tribute video to Papelbon. The crowd enthusiastically cheered as a sign of thanks for Papelbon’s 226 saves and his role in winning the 2007 World Series. The fans showed their appreciation, and Papelbon gave a little salute to the crowd. The fans aren’t dumb, and they know how special Papelbon was during his Red Sox tenure, and they know the team didn’t even really want to sign him when he became a free agent, and they know that Papelbon’s comments about how smart Philly fans are compared to Boston fans was just Papelbon being Papelbon.
But when he entered the game Tuesday night, it was in a situation where he was called upon to prevent the Red Sox from winning. Fans want to see the Red Sox win, so they booed. They appreciate what the guy did for six years, but in that moment, they were hoping he would fail.
He didn’t, and the Phillies won.
Life goes on. Discussion about how Red Sox fans could have possibly booed should not.
 

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Boston isn't getting Cliff Lee for that pile of shit.

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Boston’s Booing Of Jonathan Papelbon Is Really A Simple Matter

By Michael Hurley, CBS Boston

May 29, 2013 11:06 AM

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BOSTON (CBS) — Is it really this complicated, folks?
On Tuesday night, Jonathan Papelbon made the familiar jog from right field (albeit a few foot over from his normal spot) to the mound at Fenway Park, a path he had blazed more than 200 times in his career. This time was different, though, as he was donning a Phillies uniform and was trying to shut down the Red Sox in the ninth, rather than preserving a Boston win.
And the home crowd booed. A lot.
Even before Papelbon sent Jonny Gomes, Dustin Pedroia and David Ortiz down in order, questioning of just how the fans could boo Papelbon began.
“Don’t these idiot fans know how great Papelbon was for them?”
“What did Papelbon ever do wrong to Boston?”

“The Red Sox never wanted to sign him to a long-term deal, so why boo him?”
Logically, all of those questions are fair, and the answers are all obvious. But none of them have anything to do with why Papelbon was booed.
Papelbon was booed because he is on the other team, and he was entering the game to try to beat the home team. The Boston crowd, as you might expect, didn’t want to see that happen, so they booed. They wanted Papelbon to fail so that the Red Sox could win.
End of story.
And any outrage, feigned or authentic, about the booting is disingenuous or uninformed, because it overlooks the fact that during Monday night’s game, the Red Sox played a tribute video to Papelbon. The crowd enthusiastically cheered as a sign of thanks for Papelbon’s 226 saves and his role in winning the 2007 World Series. The fans showed their appreciation, and Papelbon gave a little salute to the crowd. The fans aren’t dumb, and they know how special Papelbon was during his Red Sox tenure, and they know the team didn’t even really want to sign him when he became a free agent, and they know that Papelbon’s comments about how smart Philly fans are compared to Boston fans was just Papelbon being Papelbon.
But when he entered the game Tuesday night, it was in a situation where he was called upon to prevent the Red Sox from winning. Fans want to see the Red Sox win, so they booed. They appreciate what the guy did for six years, but in that moment, they were hoping he would fail.
He didn’t, and the Phillies won.
Life goes on. Discussion about how Red Sox fans could have possibly booed should not.


This is something the Cardinals fans would boo an ex player. I give you guys a pass this time.
 

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totally

hes 34, owed a TON of money, and would wipe out our top prospects

think they wouldnt want boegarts? (can never spell his name)

It's bogaerts....and I don't think it would/should cost Boston their top prospects...perhaps one of them, like the deal I suggested, but any more than that and tell the phils to enjoy paying Lee $100m while you win 80 games a year...

A huge component for the phils in these scenerios? Boston eats the whole contract...good luck find trade partners to create a bidding war...
 
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