Luck looking to beef up the schedule

[Mike]

Mike, I've seen several on here say that, and I don't see why. The B12 had such turmoil that four teams were desperate to leave and did, four more were in serious discussion to go to the PAC, the B12 is the one sitting on their hands doing nothing, and have from the time the realignment started. The B12 only took us and TCU out of desperation to fulfill their TV contracts. The ACC has lost ONE team, and that one to the B11, a MUCH more stable league than any other. As long as the B12 has ten teams, they are vulnerable, just as the BE was at eight. As long as the B12 does nothing proactive, they are vulnerable, just as the BE was by being reactionary. One league WILL disappear, and it will be either the B12 or ACC, as the B11, PAC, and SEC are NOT going away. As you point out, the B12 is Texas and OU at their base, the ACC has a much more storied base, Miami, FSU, GT, Clemson are their money teams, even if two left, they would still be a viable conference.

There are more desirable teams in the ACC for the BIG and the SEC to take and the Big12 could take some to make an east division as well. I don't ever see Texas giving up their tier 3 rights, and Texas has enough competition for recruits now that A&M moved to the SEC, they wouldn't want Big teams getting in their recruiting ground. Same with OK. I think the Big12 is fine at 10 teams.

The major problem before with the Big12 was revenue distribution and Texas seen what that was doing and decided to play nice to keep the Big12 stable. There has been a lot said about how good they all get along now.

What Texas wants Texas gets, that is how we got the invite over looserville. Texas wanted us and I don't think anyone should overlook Luck's ties to Texas and his friendship with Dobbs on that. OK and many others wanted Looserville, and some didn't care either way. I think Texas was the only one that wanted us.

Just my opinions here not much facts.

 

[Anotherwvufan]

Every year you can pick out one team in the SEC with a real tough schedule...take a overall look and most of the schedules are not that bad. Big 12 you cannot dick any team... 2012 KST was left out of title game for loss to Baylor(who had top offense in country that year) If I remember correctly KSt played 1 losing team in its first 9 games..Bama played 5 winning teams all season. Some SEC teams get a cakewalk through conf.

Hence why I think the Big 12 expanding is in the best interest of the 10 teams currently in the Big 12. Yes, the $$$ gets diluted temporarily by 2 more teams with not so great teams, (Cincy, BYU, Boise St....), but it would give greater schedule equity for our teams . LONG TERM, National Titles= MORE MONEY

I am against watered down schedules. The B 12 has it right making every ream play a difficult schedule. I do not want to watch us play cupcakes. We are no longer in the BCS, so we don't have to have an undefeated team to make it. I expect the playoff will eventually expand. B12 teams will be more battle tested which will give them an advantage.

Just because the SEC plays cupcake schedules does not mean everyone has to.

 

[GoldRusher]

I agree with you there, DC. UCF really seems to be on the rise. I do not see Cincy as a long term viable option over some of the other teams out there. BYU will bring nationwide TV sets to the league. I don't think Boise is the answer either. I think the two to take come out of the UCF, USF, BYU trio. AND I think they need to pull the trigger sooner than later, as no one from the other four big leagues is going anywhere.

I think the Big12 is doing the smart thing. Let this new playoff process play out a year or two and see what the best set up truly is and let these programs with good potential and good markets grow on their own dime while we are under the current tv deal then grab them when the time is right and renegotiate the new deal with new tv markets.

 

[bbwvfan]

I think the Big12 is doing the smart thing. Let this new playoff process play out a year or two and see what the best set up truly is and let these programs with good potential and good markets grow on their own dime while we are under the current tv deal then grab them when the time is right and renegotiate the new deal with new tv markets.

Absolutely agree!

 

[DCWV4life]

Gents there is no set rule or anything that this is going to four confs...I feel like that rumor got out now it is gospel. We are in a strong conf no one is looking at us like the BE.

Let things play out, we will be able to invite anyone we want once we know where this thing is going...anyone not in the power "5" will jump next day

 

[GoldRusher]

Gents there is no set rule or anything that this is going to four confs...I feel like that rumor got out now it is gospel. We are in a strong conf no one is looking at us like the BE.

Let things play out, we will be able to invite anyone we want once we know where this thing is going...anyone not in the power "5" will jump next day

agree 100%, if it is proven that this conference MUST have 12 or more programs and a ccg or get left out every year then we could have an entire eastern division with GREAT tv markets in about 30 minutes(though imo we would still have to be careful with the SOS situation). Im just not sold that a conference will need that, the SEC folks believe in that system and it has worked for them in the past but Im not sure its the best thing for the other conferences. Time will tell.

 

[WVUDAD]

Gents there is no set rule or anything that this is going to four confs...I feel like that rumor got out now it is gospel. We are in a strong conf no one is looking at us like the BE.

Let things play out, we will be able to invite anyone we want once we know where this thing is going...anyone not in the power "5" will jump next day

DC, I've read in several places that the ADs and presidents in the B11 and PAC are pushing harder than anyone for the "tier 4" or whatever they want to call it, and are wanting it limited to 64 schools so that there would be no "poor" schools voting against paying extra stipends, giving more perks, etc. AND with the B11, SEC, and ACC already sitting at 14, it makes NO sense that there would be five leagues in the long run. What I think MAY happen is the SEC, PAC, and B11 pick and choose out of BOTH the B12 and ACC then the B12 and ACC merge, there are 64 teams in the five leagues right now, and there would be 64 after that merger.

 

[bbwvfan]

DAD,

Do you have any links for us that state they want the tier 4 to be limited to 64 teams? I have not seen this myself.

All I have read is that the Power 5 may want to separate from the NCAA. The talking heads are referring to the Power 5 as the autonomous conferences today.

 

[WVUDAD]

There are more desirable teams in the ACC for the BIG and the SEC to take and the Big12 could take some to make an east division as well. I don't ever see Texas giving up their tier 3 rights, and Texas has enough competition for recruits now that A&M moved to the SEC, they wouldn't want Big teams getting in their recruiting ground. Same with OK. I think the Big12 is fine at 10 teams.

The major problem before with the Big12 was revenue distribution and Texas seen what that was doing and decided to play nice to keep the Big12 stable. There has been a lot said about how good they all get along now.

What Texas wants Texas gets, that is how we got the invite over looserville. Texas wanted us and I don't think anyone should overlook Luck's ties to Texas and his friendship with Dobbs on that. OK and many others wanted Looserville, and some didn't care either way. I think Texas was the only one that wanted us.

Just my opinions here not much facts.

Mike, I do not get that first sentence at all, you say the ACC has the more attractive teams, YET will be pulled apart first???????? I also think more than just Texas wanted WVU, or we wouldn't be there now, unless Texas STILL gets preferential treatment........ because "OK and many others" outnumber Texas.

It will definitely be interesting to see what plays out, I see the PAC pulling B12 teams, the SEC and B11 pulling some ACC and B12 teams, and the rest of the ACC and B12 merging, with the ACC being the one in power, something like UT, OU, OSU, TT to the PAC NC and UVA to the B11 the SEC taking two teams from the B12/ACC with their rules about same state who knows who and WVU being reunited with most of the old independents/BE teams in the Eastern division of a merged B12/ACC.

And just as you said, this is all my opinion, just a feel I get from reading and listening. (Gordon Gee may be a HUGE help in all this, with his inside knowledge of years spent as a B11 pres!!!)

 

[WVUDAD]

DAD,

Do you have any links for us that state they want the tier 4 to be limited to 64 teams? I have not seen this myself.

All I have read is that the Power 5 may want to separate from the NCAA. The talking heads are referring to the Power 5 as the autonomous conferences today.

It has been in the Columbus paper a few times over the summer, BB, I'll try to find the articles afterwhile.

 

[Mike]

Mike, I do not get that first sentence at all, you say the ACC has the more attractive teams, YET will be pulled apart first????????

The schools in the ACC are the ones that they want. ie: Big 10 NC, VA, GT to name a few new foot prints. SEC NCST, VT to name a few.

It is all about TV money and new foot prints. SEC won't take any more from the same state.

Texas will not give up the LHN. The travel from Lubbock to the Pacific NW would be worse then ours, same for Austin, Norman ect.

I don't see any going anywhere in the near future. If they do we will be OK. With Lucks forward thinking we will be taken care of. I like the Big 12.

 

[WVUDAD]

The schools in the ACC are the ones that they want. ie: Big 10 NC, VA, GT to name a few new foot prints. SEC NCST, VT to name a few.

It is all about TV money and new foot prints. SEC won't take any more from the same state.

Texas will not give up the LHN. The travel from Lubbock to the Pacific NW would be worse then ours, same for Austin, Norman ect.

I don't see any going anywhere in the near future. If they do we will be OK. With Lucks forward thinking we will be taken care of. I like the Big 12.

What you are missing with going to 16 teams is that there will be true Geographic splits of 8-8, 7 division games and 1-2 cross division within these "super" leagues, so those huge distances would be once a year at most. IF it were to play out like was going on a few years ago, the PAC would likely split N-S, the four former B12 schools+ AZ, AZST, USC, UCLA in the South, and WA, WS, OR, ORST, Col, UT, Stan, Cal in the North. All just conjecture right now, BUT who would have thought ten years ago that Neb, RU, and UMD would be in the B11, or that Mizzou and TAM would be in the SEC, let alone WVU in the B12!!!!!

 

[WVUDAD]

PLUS, If the B11 had wanted anyone else from the ACC, why didn't they take them when they took UMD?

 

[WVUDAD]

PLUS, if the B11 had wanted anyone else from the ACC, why didn't they get them when they took UMD?

 

[Mike]

PLUS, if the B11 had wanted anyone else from the ACC, why didn't they get them when they took UMD?

I don't know why they didn't then, but you could also say why didn't the ACC take sPITT, & Cuse when they took BC,VT,Miami?

Times change, give it time Delaney has a big ego, and don't think he don't have his eyes on a Florida St. and the 2 NC schools Duke and UNC.

 

[WVUDAD]

I don't know why they didn't then, but you could also say why didn't the ACC take sPITT, & Cuse when they took BC,VT,Miami?

Times change, give it time Delaney has a big ego, and don't think he don't have his eyes on a Florida St. and the 2 NC schools Duke and UNC.

I think from what I hear on the radio around here that he has bigger fish in mind, REALLY big fish.