LOL @ Minnesota Here

[fredsdeadfriend]

-they have the best hockey program in the country (even though multiple schools have more titles)

Well,

they produce THE MOST NHLers,
they produce THE MOST points scored by former US college players in the NHL,
they produce THE MOST players making NHL All-Star status,
they produce THE MOST US Olympic Hockey players, and it's not even close, they produce TWICE AS MANY as the 3rd best team.,
they produce THE MOST US Olympic Hockey Medalists, and it's not even close,
they produce THE MOST US Olympic Hockey GOLD Medalists and its beyond even being close. UMn has won more Gold Medals than all other college hockey programs COMBINED, I believe. I could be wrong about this one, but I seriously doubt it,
they produce THE MOST US Hockey Hall of Famers. At one time, it was fully 1/3rd of the US Hockey Hall of Fame was made up of former Golden Gophers,
they produce THE MOST Hockey Hall of Famers, too.

They were the first college team invited to represent the US at the Olympics, one of their players was the first to win the Hobey Baker Award. A Gopher player was also considered when naming that Award. As a consolation, they modeled the Award after a Gopher player. UMn won the first intercollegiate Hockey game played. UMn won a ton of Natl Titles(finished seasons ranked #1 in the polls, like cfb did before and after hockey did it), in the 20s and a couple in the 30s as well, with a perfect season in 1940(not common in college hockey).


Michigan and Denver and probably UND as well, which made more sense as they were not far from the Canadian border, but it was mostly Michigan and Denver, responded by going north of the border and recruiting older Canadiens playing in the Minor Leagues to fill up their rosters. All 3 schools won several titles during this time but stopped doing it when most other schools, led by Minnesota, refused to play them.

Had Minnesota not led this effort, the US Olympic Hockey program may never have won a single Gold Medal, much less two, and might not have won any of the many Silver Medals it's won as well?


And Michigan and Denver? After they quit loading up on older Canadians, they stopped winning Natl Titles, go figure. UND figured out just to recruit the state of Minnesota hard and even resorted to hiring a former Gopher as their coach and they kept on winning Titles. Half of Wisconsin's titles were won with a former Gopher as their coach as well, and when they didn't have a former Gopher coaching them, they found a native Minnesotan who knew well enough to recruit mostly Minnesotans. Their 1983 title team had more Minnesotans than any other source, next was Canadians/foreigners, and a couple from Wisconsin, lol.


Minnesota may have also hurt their own chances to win Natl Titles in the 80s and 90s as well as they went from recruiting mostly Minnesotans and almost no Canadians, to recruiting only 100% Minnesotan. This helped both Minnesota hockey, and I mean Minnesota as a state, and US hockey in general as there were far too many top recruits growing up in Minnesota for the Gophers to be able to take care of them all, so other Minnesota based hockey schools started moving up to Div 1, and schools all over the country looked to the State of Minnesota to fill out their rosters.



I'm fine when people TRY to claim this school or that school has a better hockey program than Minnesota because they've won more Natl Titles, but I'll disagree with them always and argue my case just as I have here. But it's the height of hypocrisy to prop up as legitimate a ranking/rating system that ranks a program #1 despite another program having THREE TIMES as many Titles, and then turning around and criticizing me for claiming UMn's #1 in hockey, with your only reason given for being critical being UMn's not having the most Natl Titles?!

You sir, need help.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

-they have the best hockey program in the country (even though multiple schools have more titles)

Well,

they produce THE MOST NHLers,
they produce THE MOST points scored by former US college players in the NHL,
they produce THE MOST players making NHL All-Star status,
they produce THE MOST US Olympic Hockey players, and it's not even close, they produce TWICE AS MANY as the 3rd best team.,
they produce THE MOST US Olympic Hockey Medalists, and it's not even close,
they produce THE MOST US Olympic Hockey GOLD Medalists and its beyond even being close. UMn has won more Gold Medals than all other college hockey programs COMBINED, I believe. I could be wrong about this one, but I seriously doubt it,
they produce THE MOST US Hockey Hall of Famers. At one time, it was fully 1/3rd of the US Hockey Hall of Fame was made up of former Golden Gophers,
they produce THE MOST Hockey Hall of Famers, too.

They were the first college team invited to represent the US at the Olympics, one of their players was the first to win the Hobey Baker Award. A Gopher player was also considered when naming that Award. As a consolation, they modeled the Award after a Gopher player. UMn won the first intercollegiate Hockey game played. UMn won a ton of Natl Titles(finished seasons ranked #1 in the polls, like cfb did before and after hockey did it), in the 20s and a couple in the 30s as well, with a perfect season in 1940(not common in college hockey).


Michigan and Denver and probably UND as well, which made more sense as they were not far from the Canadian border, but it was mostly Michigan and Denver, responded by going north of the border and recruiting older Canadiens playing in the Minor Leagues to fill up their rosters. All 3 schools won several titles during this time but stopped doing it when most other schools, led by Minnesota, refused to play them.

Had Minnesota not led this effort, the US Olympic Hockey program may never have won a single Gold Medal, much less two, and might not have won any of the many Silver Medals it's won as well?


And Michigan and Denver? After they quit loading up on older Canadians, they stopped winning Natl Titles, go figure. UND figured out just to recruit the state of Minnesota hard and even resorted to hiring a former Gopher as their coach and they kept on winning Titles. Half of Wisconsin's titles were won with a former Gopher as their coach as well, and when they didn't have a former Gopher coaching them, they found a native Minnesotan who knew well enough to recruit mostly Minnesotans. Their 1983 title team had more Minnesotans than any other source, next was Canadians/foreigners, and a couple from Wisconsin, lol.


Minnesota may have also

do you realize that Minnesota’s “fairly new outdoor stadium“ is the second smallest stadium in the Big Ten? Larger than only Northwestern’s stadium (Which was built in 1926). In fact, there are three Big Ten stadiums that are more than double the size of Minnesota’s stadium. It’s a miracle that the Big Ten allows Minnesota to stay in the conference playing in such a small stadium.

You are dumb enough to believe the BIG would ever base who is in the conference by the size of their FB stadium.

UMn's research intake is like 12 times as large as Oregon's, for example, it'll breach the billion dollars a year mark soon, so UMn could drop football and they'd probably keep them in the conference. And UMn's seating capacity can be quickly and easily expanded, it was designed this way on purpose. First, in hopes that a new coach would come in and increase interest. Consistent sell outs are hoped to lead to increased demand which will lead to UMn's being able to charge more for tickets and only after the coach proves he's sticking around and can win consistently will they expand the seating capacity. Then the process will hopefully continue so that they can expand the capacity a second time. Just Minnesotans being practical, as is typical.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

You seem like a step away from a breakdown and it's funny. I mentioned 247sports, espn & collegefootballnews don't have Gophers football near their all time top 10 list. You said something about a biased agenda. Yeah okay.

But the site you mentioned (tiptop-25-.com, comment # 376) that does have them near the top 10 is legit correct? Keep that nonstop homerism going. It's always entertaining.

Again, I did not call those ranking systems into question because of where they ranked Minnesota. I called them into question, first because of what/who they are, for profit media entities, and second because of who they ranked where and why. tOSU #1? lol, that's some stupid shit. BSU #3? Again, that's some really stupid shit.

And I didn't declare the tiptop ranking the end all of rankings either, and my reason for believing it is more legit has nothing to do with where Minnesota ended up, but because of how they got there. His system is far superior and I believe his motives/bias are more fair. Those media sites you mention have deadlines and come up with those rankings quickly with no concern for their accuracy knowing dumb results conjures up negative attention which is good for business. That tiptop guy spent many months, maybe even years doing the research for that ranking system of which I see zero evidence that he'll make any money any money from.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

do you realize that Minnesota’s “fairly new outdoor stadium“ is the second smallest stadium in the Big Ten? Larger than only Northwestern’s stadium (Which was built in 1926). In fact, there are three Big Ten stadiums that are more than double the size of Minnesota’s stadium. It’s a miracle that the Big Ten allows Minnesota to stay in the conference playing in such a small stadium.

And UMn brings in just shy of FIVE TIMES as much in research dollars than Notre Dame does. The difference is that UMn, despite coming up far shy of the ND's and Michigan's and OSU's of the cfb world in fb revenue, UMn still ranks among the Top 20-30 in cfb revenue/athletics revenue, and the difference between them and programs in the Top 10 is tens of thousands of dollars, whereas Notre Dame doesn't even crack the Top 100 in research dollar intake and the difference between them and Minnesota is tens upon tens of thousands of dollars MORE than 600 MILLION dollars!!!

lol

And are you thinking that the B1G keeps all the gate receipts for it's universities? lol How cute that you think that.

But of course you don't actually believe that, so....



You must be aware that a smaller stadium only hurts when it is not filled up and looking good on TV, as what REALLY matters to the B1G Conf, after research dollars, is Media footprint, NOT ticket sales. Prove that UMn's TV ratings are 13th in the B1G and out of the Top 30-40 nationally and you might have SORT OF a small point?

 

[Irish7478]

And UMn brings in just shy of FIVE TIMES as much in research dollars than Notre Dame does. The difference is that UMn, despite coming up far shy of the ND's and Michigan's and OSU's of the cfb world in fb revenue, UMn still ranks among the Top 20-30 in cfb revenue/athletics revenue, and the difference between them and programs in the Top 10 is tens of thousands of dollars, whereas Notre Dame doesn't even crack the Top 100 in research dollar intake and the difference between them and Minnesota is tens upon tens of thousands of dollars MORE than 600 MILLION dollars!!!

lol

And are you thinking that the B1G keeps all the gate receipts for it's universities? lol How cute that you think that.

But of course you don't actually believe that, so....



You must be aware that a smaller stadium only hurts when it is not filled up and looking good on TV, as what REALLY matters to the B1G Conf, after research dollars, is Media footprint, NOT ticket sales. Prove that UMn's TV ratings are 13th in the B1G and out of the Top 30-40 nationally and you might have SORT OF a small point?

and Notre Dame’s endowment is more than four times the endowment for Minnesota. Evidently the research they are doing In Minnesota is drastically underfunded. Which probably explains why they accomplish so little with what little money they do have access to.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

and Notre Dame’s endowment is more than four times the endowment for Minnesota. Evidently the research they are doing In Minnesota is drastically underfunded. Which probably explains why they accomplish so little with what little money they do have access to.

You realize research money comes BECAUSE and AFTER you do stuff, duh.

Endowment money comes regardless of whether a school actually does something or not.

Notre Dame just syphons money off it's cult followers despite the RCC covering up child sex scandals.

UMn only gets research money if and after they've already proven themselves worthy.

 

[wazzu31]

I haven't argued "is". Only "was" and "can be again"

Reread the title of the thread you started that morphed into this one. There isn’t a was or can be in a Minnesota rules college football.

 

[wazzu31]

And you missed the one where I claimed no state more than Minnesota contributed to the Allies winning World War 2, lol.

FDR, Eisenhower and Einstein were from Minnesota?

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Reread the title of the thread you started that morphed into this one. There isn’t a was or can be in a Minnesota rules college football.

And that wasn't specific to UMn like this one is.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

FDR, Eisenhower and Einstein were from Minnesota?

So you think that those 3 people were the most important factors in the Allies winning WW2? Wow!!!

You would be that simple minded. lol

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

FDR, Eisenhower and Einstein were from Minnesota?

So FDR invented SPAM to feed the troops and Eisenhower produced a 1/4 of a million helmets for the troops, and Einstein created artificial rubber?

And they were all from the same state? Which state was that? Einstein wasn't even an American. lol

 

[Irish7478]

You realize research money comes BECAUSE and AFTER you do stuff, duh.

Endowment money comes regardless of whether a school actually does something or not.

Notre Dame just syphons money off it's cult followers despite the RCC covering up child sex scandals.

UMn only gets research money if and after they've already proven themselves worthy.

so apparently Minnisota hasn’t proven themselves Worthy. Which actually isn’t a surprise. One day maybe they will accomplish something that will result is even a mediocre endowment. But until then, they will have people like you (that didn’t even go there) pretending that they have accomplished something as a university.

 

[Irish7478]

FDR, Eisenhower and Einstein were from Minnesota?

apparently Princeton is actually in Minisota.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

and Notre Dame’s endowment is more than four times the endowment for Minnesota. Evidently the research they are doing In Minnesota is drastically underfunded. Which probably explains why they accomplish so little with what little money they do have access to.

And Catholics are REKNOWN for being big fat liars, so does it surprise me that you are making claims such as "Notre Dame's endowment is MORE THAN FOUR TIMES the endowment for Minnesota", when that is not even close to being true.

A simple test, I multiplied Minnesota's 3,717,476,000 endowment as of 2018, by 3, and it came up with a number larger than Notre Dame's 10,727,653,000 endowment, meaning NDm doesn't even triple UMn's endowment, much less MORE THAN quadruple it like you claim.

Now I won't call you a liar as you might just be really dumb and bad at math? Or maybe Notre Dame increased their endowment by over 25% just since 2018?

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

so apparently Minnisota hasn’t proven themselves Worthy. Which actually isn’t a surprise. One day maybe they will accomplish something that will result is even a mediocre endowment. But until then, they will have people like you (that didn’t even go there) pretending that they have accomplished something as a university.

Dude, I'd challenge you to list some of Notre Dame's accomplishments but despite my gut feeling that it would be a very short list, I feel that you will NEVER be dumb enough to take me up on such a challenge as you know Notre Dame hasn't done much of anything EVER, in it's entire existence, even close to comparing to what Minnesota has accomplished. It's not even close dude. lol

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

apparently Princeton is actually in Minisota.

No, Princeton is NOT in Minnesota, and the University of Minnesota and the state of Minnesota in general contributed FAR MORE than Princeton and the state of New Jersey did towards the Allies effort to win WW2.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

FDR, Eisenhower and Einstein were from Minnesota?

FDR was a leftist who did lots to HURT America leading up to WW2. Far from him contributing to the winning of the war, his leftist meddling held America back and probably extended the war a good percentage?

 

[TheLonestarDUCK]

Top 30 Athletic Programs. Um nowhere to be found - LMAO

The 30 Most Successful College Athletic Programs | BestCollegeReviews

A ranking of the most successful college athletics programs. Ranked by program affordability, flexibility, and academic quality.

www.bestcollegereviews.org

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Top 30 Athletic Programs. Um nowhere to be found - LMAO

The 30 Most Successful College Athletic Programs | BestCollegeReviews

A ranking of the most successful college athletics programs. Ranked by program affordability, flexibility, and academic quality.

www.bestcollegereviews.org

"BestCollegeReviews"??? lol Yeah, I'm sure they are the world's top experts on the subject, lol.

 

[TheLonestarDUCK]

"BestCollegeReviews"??? lol Yeah, I'm sure they are the world's top experts on the subject, lol.

From the guy that quotes Wikipedia - LMAO