LOL @ Minnesota Here

[fredsdeadfriend]

There is no way Army isn’t in the top 3 if Minnesota is on any list.

Dude, you can go to the site and see how he figured out his rankings, it's pretty simple and NO, Army would NEVER be concluded by anyone with a brain to be deserving of being in the Top 3 cfb programs of all-time. Top 20, maybe? But Top 3? You do realize this isn't the 1940s, right? The war is over bro, we won. And since we won, Army fb has fallen back down to the usually no better than average program it was before the war. You making such a dumb statement exposes how well your brain works. lol

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Ok - that was last century.

No, that was 1901-present.

He labels it a ranking of the best ALL-TIME, but that is a little inaccurate as he, for reasons he explains, limits the scope of his ranking from 1901 to the present. He says he's going to do more Top 25's going backwards to 1890 abouts? But I'm not sure he'll include them in his overall rankings or not? The argument he makes for starting at 1901 and not going back further is the same argument many fans who object to Minnesota getting any credit for what they did before the AP poll started coming out regularly TRY to make, cept his argument is sound and based on the facts at hand, those other fans argument is not. The # of teams competing in cfb exploded and competition became less regionalized around the time this guy started including his Top 25 polls in his All-Time ranking, 1901. Cfb didn't wait til 1936 to do anything, everything it was doing in 1936, it was doing in 1935 and 1925 and 1915 and 1905 probably even. And the stuff they were doing different back in 1903, for example, like playing high school teams, were corrected by this guy and his "fixed" AP polls. It seems he eliminated those games from team's records and disregarded the results in coming to his assessments.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

In the specific timeframe Yale had 3 & Um had 2.
Bragging about 1900-1935 is the same as bragging about the 1800’s. So ya Yale & Princeton are the shit in your book.
Here ya go:

THE definitive national champ for each season, 1869-2019

Or the closest thing to it, based on historical consensus. We’ll also do a final count at the end.

www.bannersociety.com

Sure, Yale did kick tail back in the day, and in many ways Yale MADE Minnesota. Several of the leading figures in ancient Minnesota Gopher football history had Yale ties/roots, including the main man in the Minnesota story, Henry Williams, the creative genius who helped make cfb what it is today, inventing the 4 man backfield and the offensive shift, and first proposing the legalization of the forward pass.

Like how Minnesota produced all those coaches who spread out across the nation and MADE several programs like Washington, Tulane, Mich St and Oklahoma, and a few others, Yale did the same thing in the late 1800s, as did Princeton and Harvard I'm sure. Football basically started in the Ivy League and Ivy Leaguers took it with them when they went out across the nation to teach at new schools popping up out west, and the midwest was considered west at that time.

Next came Chicago, Michigan, Minnesota & Notre Dame, the midwestern giants of the early 1900s. Many graduates of those schools also "went out" or went west and either started new programs or gave already going programs a boost. I'm sure Notre Dame and Michigan and Chicago(when they did still play) could make arguments for being sort of "Cradles of Coaches", more so back then than now, but even now the majority of new coaches come out of good programs. I just perused an article highlighting Ohio St's production of coaches, and we all have heard of Miami of Ohio's being supposedly "THE" Cradle of Coaches, so that's how it happens.


Difference is that Yale fell off and stopped dominating cfb back in the 20s, and the Midwestern Giants took over, and then Chicago fell off and gave up football. Then Minnesota later thought about giving up football, too, and instead just chose not to spend much on funding it, until the late 90s when they figured out that was not a financially good move to make, and everything is about the money now days. But both Michigan and Notre Dame continued to push football and hence why they rank #1 and #2 on most lists of all-time greats out there now, including this list.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Ok - that was last century. Here is this century.

College football's 10 superpowers of the 21st century

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247sports.com

Even when you limit it to just the 21st Century and still Oregon BARELY makes the Top 10, lol. WOW, so NOT impressed, lol.


Including 50 years of mediocrity in the analysis and still UMn comes in #11 in the Ranking I posted, and that's 120 years of data. Now THAT is impressive!


And any ranking system that makes small ball football accomplishments equivalent to big ball accomplishments as 247 did making Boise St the #3 ranked team? Has to be considered an illegitimate system.

Beating up on MVC opponents is not equivalent to beating up on SEC or B1G or Big 12 opponents. It just isn't.


And it's nice to know you can win just 1 Natl Title in 21 years time and be named the Greatest team of that time period, because that means I can go re-assess all the Gopher programs with just 1 Natl Title and can depend on 247 to back up their being the best of that time period because of other things it did while NOT winning the Natl Titles usually required by other rating systems.

But to further my argument about sites like that having a vested self interest, it's obvious 247 did what they did purposely to generate controversy and interest in their site. Piss off all the Bama fans, and others who came in behind OU and BSU, and just as OU is readying itself to move into the SEC with Bama, lol. That's what news sites do, even sports ones. They say and do controversial things in order to generate interest and clicks.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Ok - that was last century. Here is this century.

USC | Sporting News

www.sportingnews.com

Oregon didn't even make the Top 10 in this one, lol.

And again, another sports news site seeking controversy to induce more clicks, hence more revenue. How? By controversially ranking OSU and USC ahead of Bama and all 3 ahead of OU, etc.. To piss off some fans and give other fans a reason to gloat, etc..


And you Oregon fans gloating about making the Top Ten? lol I know you've a history of being a nobody in cfb, until you young pups were born anyways, now with Nike blood money from it's slave trade bs shoe empire, its been invited to the party, but is still the one not being invited onto the dance floor. At least BSU's not winning a Title, they still got rated #3 in the one poll. Oregon is kept out of an expanded playoff grouping of 8 in BOTH polls, so the consensus is that Oregon has been more of a one year fluke than any kind of a trendy pick for one of the Top 4.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Ok - that was last century. Here is this century.

College football's 10 superpowers of the 21st century

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247sports.com

USC | Sporting News

www.sportingnews.com

And Top 15 and only 1 B1G program? Hmmm? Interesting. Might be legit, but Wisconsin comes to mind. Just without looking it up, that Wisconsin has been right up there in the Top 15 enough times the last 21 years that they should be up there. I'd bet they ranked better than BSU on almost a yearly basis minus 2 or 3 of the years? Scratch that, I was including 98 and 99 in my thoughts about Wisconsin. They only made the Top 16 of the polls in 9 of the 21 seasons. So maybe it is justified as every other B1G program seemed to have enough of a down period in the last 2 decades to disqualify themselves from any Top 15 list.

 

[Wamu]

Top College Football Programs of All Time

www.tiptop25.com

So what? I mentioned three different sites (collegefootballnews, 247sports & espn) that don't have your team in the top 11. I'll go with those instead. Never heard of tiptop25-.com. Sounds questionable.

 

[Wamu]

Yes really. You don't know that magazines/sites like ESPN or 247 have biased self interests? They are money making companies. They can and often do pick stories because they are stories they think will get lots of magazines sold/lots of clicks on their sites. Choosing rating systems that highlight the accomplishments of a program like Minnesota while downplaying programs like Miami and FSU is not good for business, so they either rely on or create their own rating systems that make sure to high light the schools that are best for business.

Individuals like this guy, seem to come up with their systems as a way of highlighting teams/programs who deserve to be highlighted, regardless of how long ago the accomplishments took place and regardless of how many fans it might piss off or who it might make happy. I am not fully endorsing this guy or his rating, and it is HIS rating system, not mine, so not sure how you are claiming that I have some self interest involved? What? self interest in simply posting the results of someone else's research? And he didn't just throw this together over a weekend. I found this site over 2 years ago and he had only completed part of it. He was taking his time, I assumed to do a lot of research as he wrote about a lot of the reasons for the conclusions he came to and it would take a lot of research. And I don't see him trying to sell anything? So how is he doing it for self interests?

 

[Wamu]

There is no way Army isn’t in the top 3 if Minnesota is on any list.

It's hilarious that fred thinks Minnesota football is elite. They haven't won a damn thing in six decades.

 

[Picklerick 2.0]

I wonder if this is how eagles fans feel when pe1 or rtk starts typing?

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

It's hilarious that fred thinks Minnesota football is elite. They haven't won a damn thing in six decades.

I haven't argued "is". Only "was" and "can be again"

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

So what? I mentioned three different sites (collegefootballnews, 247sports & espn) that don't have your team in the top 11. I'll go with those instead. Never heard of tiptop25-.com. Sounds questionable.

ESPN, one of the most bias sports news orgs out there and 2 competitors trying to compete with them for advertising dollars to you are more legit?

My guess is that you are one of the morons who trusts either CNN/Msnbc or Fox News to always be telling you the truth, lol.

They correctly label people like you as "sheep", lol

 

[Wamu]

ESPN, one of the most bias sports news orgs out there and 2 competitors trying to compete with them for advertising dollars to you are more legit?

My guess is that you are one of the morons who trusts either CNN/Msnbc or Fox News to always be telling you the truth, lol.

They correctly label people like you as "sheep", lol

So what you're really saying is any all time CFB list that doesn't have your team ranked high enough is biased. Got it.

And don't try to bring politics into this you dumbass homeristic moron. I don't watch cnn, msnbc or foxnews.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

So what? I mentioned three different sites (collegefootballnews, 247sports & espn) that don't have your team in the top 11. I'll go with those instead. Never heard of tiptop25-.com. Sounds questionable.

Did you even check the site out? What is questionable about it? I mean, not saying there might not be something questionable about it, just saying what would that be what do you think is questionable about it, other than your not liking it ranking Minnesota so high? Seems pretty simple and cut and dry to me, he bases everything on how often teams made the Top 25, and how well they were ranked in the Top 25 over a 120 year period.

Winning percentage can be skewed because of teams playing a much different SOS.
# of conf titles can also be misleading when some teams play in very tough conferences and other teams play in total creampuff conferences.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

So what you're really saying is any all time CFB list that doesn't have your team ranked high enough is biased. Got it.

And don't try to bring politics into this your dumbass homeristic moron. I don't watch cnn, msnbc or foxnews.

Maybe you don't watch any of those shows, but you seem like the type that if you did, you'd totally believe whatever they told you, lol.

 

[Wamu]

Did you even check the site out? What is questionable about it? I mean, not saying there might not be something questionable about it, just saying what would that be what do you think is questionable about it, other than your not liking it ranking Minnesota so high? Seems pretty simple and cut and dry to me, he bases everything on how often teams made the Top 25, and how well they were ranked in the Top 25 over a 120 year period.

Winning percentage can be skewed because of teams playing a much different SOS.
# of conf titles can also be misleading when some teams play in very tough conferences and other teams play in total creampuff conferences.

Homer on jackass! It's all you ever do. And yes Minnesota was a damn good program decades ago. Stop living in the past.

 

[Wamu]

Maybe you don't watch any of those shows, but you seem like the type that if you did, you'd totally believe whatever they told you, lol.

You've convinced yourself what Minnesota did in football back in the 1930's means something today. And yet no other Minnesota fan on this site agrees with the bullshit you spew.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

So what you're really saying is any all time CFB list that doesn't have your team ranked high enough is biased. Got it.

No, I'm saying exactly what I said, those sites want to sell magazines or get clicks, so they both avoided putting Bama #1 and put teams with just 1 title OSU & OU as #3, to create controversy so as to get clicks.

Same with the one putting BSU at #3.

 

[Wamu]

No, I'm saying exactly what I said, those sites want to sell magazines or get clicks, so they both avoided putting Bama #1 and put teams with just 1 title OSU & OU as #3, to create controversy so as to get clicks.

Same with the one putting BSU at #3.

You think what the Gophers did decades ago means something today. It doesn't.

And you think any sites that don't have your team ranked high enough are somehow biased. You really are one funny homeristic fella.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Homer on jackass! It's all you ever do. And yes Minnesota was a damn good program decades ago. Stop living in the past.

I'm not living in the past, simply acknowledging it exists, big difference.