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[Tritonboat71]

Minnesota is STILL the only University in the nation with MULTIPLE Natl Titles in all 4 of the collegiate versions of the 4 Major League sports.

6 in cfb, 3 in cBb, 3 in cbb & 5+ in cHk.

Plus they've got 3+ in Wr, too, 11 if you count Natl Duals Titles, which is like a major league sport, with former Gopher Wrestlers making millions competing in their sport after college, from Leo Nomellini and Bronko Nagurski turning to wrestling because it made them more money than pro football and winning multiple Natl/World Titles to Verne Gagne winning tons of titles as well, and creating the AWA, the precursor to both the WWE and the WCW, one of which is run by a former Gopher, I think? To Ric Flair and then Brock Lesnar and soon it will be another Gopher HWT, Gable Steveson, whose already got an NCAA HWT title and a Hwt Gold Medal on his resume. He continues to make UMn Heavyweight U.

And UMn's produced arguably the greatest female Golfer EVER, one of the founders and the first President of the LPGA, I believe, and a member of the WORLD Golf Hall of Fame, Patty Berg, 3 time AP US Female Athlete of the Year. And on the men's side, Tom Lehman was the #1 Golfer in the world in 1996. And the Winningest WNBA player EVER is a former Gopher, and the first Soph to enter the draft and go to the WNBA was a Gopher, too.

UMn simply rocks when it comes to money making sports.

Minnysoda has never won a National Title in men’s basketball.

If you’re counting the Helm’s Foundation’s National Championships prior to the NCAA tournament championships, those were all retroactively chosen, which hold as much credence as being chosen by the Mickey Mouse Club.

They won the NIT in 1993 and again in 1998, then vacated the 98’ NIT due to academic fraud.

Men’s hockey is regional. The vast majority of the United States doesn’t follow college hockey of either sex.

Women’s softball and basketball have more games on TV than hockey.

Lacrosse probably does as well.

 

[Wamu]

Well,

they produce THE MOST NHLers,
they produce THE MOST points scored by former US college players in the NHL,
they produce THE MOST players making NHL All-Star status,
they produce THE MOST US Olympic Hockey players, and it's not even close, they produce TWICE AS MANY as the 3rd best team.,
they produce THE MOST US Olympic Hockey Medalists, and it's not even close,
they produce THE MOST US Olympic Hockey GOLD Medalists and its beyond even being close. UMn has won more Gold Medals than all other college hockey programs COMBINED, I believe. I could be wrong about this one, but I seriously doubt it,
they produce THE MOST US Hockey Hall of Famers. At one time, it was fully 1/3rd of the US Hockey Hall of Fame was made up of former Golden Gophers,
they produce THE MOST Hockey Hall of Famers, too.

They were the first college team invited to represent the US at the Olympics, one of their players was the first to win the Hobey Baker Award. A Gopher player was also considered when naming that Award. As a consolation, they modeled the Award after a Gopher player. UMn won the first intercollegiate Hockey game played. UMn won a ton of Natl Titles(finished seasons ranked #1 in the polls, like cfb did before and after hockey did it), in the 20s and a couple in the 30s as well, with a perfect season in 1940(not common in college hockey).


Michigan and Denver and probably UND as well, which made more sense as they were not far from the Canadian border, but it was mostly Michigan and Denver, responded by going north of the border and recruiting older Canadiens playing in the Minor Leagues to fill up their rosters. All 3 schools won several titles during this time but stopped doing it when most other schools, led by Minnesota, refused to play them.

Had Minnesota not led this effort, the US Olympic Hockey program may never have won a single Gold Medal, much less two, and might not have won any of the many Silver Medals it's won as well?


And Michigan and Denver? After they quit loading up on older Canadians, they stopped winning Natl Titles, go figure. UND figured out just to recruit the state of Minnesota hard and even resorted to hiring a former Gopher as their coach and they kept on winning Titles. Half of Wisconsin's titles were won with a former Gopher as their coach as well, and when they didn't have a former Gopher coaching them, they found a native Minnesotan who knew well enough to recruit mostly Minnesotans. Their 1983 title team had more Minnesotans than any other source, next was Canadians/foreigners, and a couple from Wisconsin, lol.


Minnesota may have also hurt their own chances to win Natl Titles in the 80s and 90s as well as they went from recruiting mostly Minnesotans and almost no Canadians, to recruiting only 100% Minnesotan. This helped both Minnesota hockey, and I mean Minnesota as a state, and US hockey in general as there were far too many top recruits growing up in Minnesota for the Gophers to be able to take care of them all, so other Minnesota based hockey schools started moving up to Div 1, and schools all over the country looked to the State of Minnesota to fill out their rosters.



I'm fine when people TRY to claim this school or that school has a better hockey program than Minnesota because they've won more Natl Titles, but I'll disagree with them always and argue my case just as I have here. But it's the height of hypocrisy to prop up as legitimate a ranking/rating system that ranks a program #1 despite another program having THREE TIMES as many Titles, and then turning around and criticizing me for claiming UMn's #1 in hockey, with your only reason given for being critical being UMn's not having the most Natl Titles?!

You sir, need help.

Wait a minute. You posted this long winded bullshit and say I need help? Nobody overly pimps up their team like you. And I didn't read any of this nonsense.

 

[Wamu]

Again, I did not call those ranking systems into question because of where they ranked Minnesota. I called them into question, first because of what/who they are, for profit media entities, and second because of who they ranked where and why. tOSU #1? lol, that's some stupid shit. BSU #3? Again, that's some really stupid shit.

And I didn't declare the tiptop ranking the end all of rankings either, and my reason for believing it is more legit has nothing to do with where Minnesota ended up, but because of how they got there. His system is far superior and I believe his motives/bias are more fair. Those media sites you mention have deadlines and come up with those rankings quickly with no concern for their accuracy knowing dumb results conjures up negative attention which is good for business. That tiptop guy spent many months, maybe even years doing the research for that ranking system of which I see zero evidence that he'll make any money any money from.

So you do have an issue with 247sports, espn & collegefootballnews because they don't have your team ranked high enough. Got it. And this has nothing to do with Ohio State. Odd you repeatedly have mentioned them when you know I'm only talking about Minnesota football.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Wait a minute. You posted this long winded bullshit and say I need help? Nobody overly pimps up their team like you. And I didn't read any of this nonsense.

Just like a neanderthal leftist, you don't read anything, you just loudly voice your ignorance based opinions as if they are authoritative in some way.

My post established WITH FACTS, authoritatively that UMn's hockey program is the #1 college hockey program of ALL-TIME.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

So you do have an issue with 247sports, espn & collegefootballnews because they don't have your team ranked high enough. Got it. And this has nothing to do with Ohio State. Odd you repeatedly have mentioned them when you know I'm only talking about Minnesota football.

Again, like a good leftist wackjob, you go manipulating what others post to formulate some altered message that fits what you want. Psycho

 

[Wamu]

Just like a neanderthal leftist, you don't read anything, you just loudly voice your ignorance based opinions as if they are authoritative in some way.

My post established WITH FACTS, authoritatively that UMn's hockey program is the #1 college hockey program of ALL-TIME.

So you think Minnesota hockey is the best in the country yet there are multiple programs out there with more national titles. You're homerism has no end.

 

[Wamu]

Again, like a good leftist wackjob, you go manipulating what others post to formulate some altered message that fits what you want. Psycho

I haven't manipulated anything. You said yesterday the sites I mentioned have a biased agenda because they don't have Minnesota football ranked all time where you want them to be.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Minnysoda has never won a National Title in men’s basketball.

If you’re counting the Helm’s Foundation’s National Championships prior to the NCAA tournament championships, those were all retroactively chosen, which hold as much credence as being chosen by the Mickey Mouse Club.

They won the NIT in 1993 and again in 1998, then vacated the 98’ NIT due to academic fraud.

Men’s hockey is regional. The vast majority of the United States doesn’t follow college hockey of either sex.

Women’s softball and basketball have more games on TV than hockey.

Lacrosse probably does as well.

Both my ESPN and my Sports Illustrated Sports Almanacs listed multiple Natl Titles for the Minnesota bb program and I will take their word over yours loser

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

So you think Minnesota hockey is the best in the country yet there are multiple programs out there with more national titles. You're homerism has no end.

Yes I do. Had you read my reasons why you might, if you have a brain, agree, but you instead choose to live in ignorance

 

[Tritonboat71]

Both my ESPN and my Sports Illustrated Sports Almanacs listed multiple Natl Titles for the Minnesota bb program and I will take their word over yours loser

Anything prior to 1939, when the NCAA tournament began, was retroactively chosen.

That’s fact

If your books list anything prior to that I’m positive they noted it.

If they don’t, they’re not worth the paper they’re printed on.

A quick google search may help you.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

I haven't manipulated anything. You said yesterday the sites I mentioned have a biased agenda because they don't have Minnesota football ranked all time where you want them to be.

I didn't say that you nutjob. Stop lying, or are you a hypocrite who lies and then accuses others falsely of lying?

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Anything prior to 1939, when the NCAA tournament began, was retroactively chosen.

That’s fact

If your books list anything prior to that I’m positive they noted it.

If they don’t, they’re not worth the paper they’re printed on.

A quick google search may help you.

So what if they are retroactively chosen? No DUH they were. Newspapers did exist back then, it can be easily determined who the people thought were the best. They thought Yale until the Gophers pummeled them.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Anything prior to 1939, when the NCAA tournament began, was retroactively chosen.

That’s fact

If your books list anything prior to that I’m positive they noted it.

If they don’t, they’re not worth the paper they’re printed on.

A quick google search may help you.

The vast majority of cfb Natl Titles were either retroactively awarded or voted on by pollsters. Why can't cbb do the same?

 

[Tritonboat71]

So what if they are retroactively chosen? No DUH they were. Newspapers did exist back then, it can be easily determined who the people thought were the best. They thought Yale until the Gophers pummeled them.

Who the people thought?

What people?

In Minneapolis? St. Paul?

Your response’s are about what I expected

When you resorted to name calling I knew you had nothing.

 

[Tritonboat71]

The vast majority of cfb Natl Titles were either retroactively awarded or voted on by pollsters. Why can't cbb do the same?

They can, and did.

The word “retroactively “ means after the fact.

With 25-30 various selectors and methods of selecting, left the door wide open for multiple winners in any given year.

That’s why the Associated Press began crowning champions. Which didn’t stop those other selectors from choosing who they thought were champs.

There wasn’t any finality to it. Champions didn’t win it on the field, or in a tournament.

If Minnysoda wants to claim them, so be it.

No one else does.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

They can, and did.

The word “retroactively “ means after the fact.

With 25-30 various selectors and methods of selecting, left the door wide open for multiple winners in any given year.

That’s why the Associated Press began crowning champions. Which didn’t stop those other selectors from choosing who they thought were champs.

There wasn’t any finality to it. Champions didn’t win it on the field, or in a tournament.

Yes they did win it on the field otherwise no one would have deemed them worthy of a title. The Gopher bb teams you are talking about all went undefeated and played all of the best teams in the nation according the the NATIONAL press. UMn beat Wisc handily and Yale easily and all others by huge movs for that time period.

The fact UMn ranks 12th all-time(last I checked) in production of NBA players is a testament to how good they were back in the day as many of those NBAers were from the late 40s and early 50s.

If Minnysoda wants to claim them, so be it.

No one else does.

Sure others claim them, at least the schools that have them. I've checked. Even the schools you'd think wouldn't sometimes do.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Who the people thought?

What people?

In Minneapolis? St. Paul?

No, not the people of one city, some of these games made national news. College sports were big back in the day.

Your response’s are about what I expected

When you resorted to name calling I knew you had nothing.

I get insulted dozens of times a day, sometimes an hour, yet only throw back some insults on occasion and you diss me about it? Try not coming into a convo late and acting so condescending. We ALL know what retroactive means ya pomous ass.

 

[TheLonestarDUCK]

I get insulted dozens of times a day, sometimes an hour.

Shouldn’t go through life like that. Look inside yourself, you are way out there.

 

[Wamu]

Yes I do. Had you read my reasons why you might, if you have a brain, agree, but you instead choose to live in ignorance

You didn't go to six different colleges and West Point was never interested in you.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Shouldn’t go through life like that. Look inside yourself, you are way out there.

In here, not in real life, lol. Duh.

In real life I get along with everyone, for the most part. I enjoy messing with you idiots in here, lol. It's TOO easy