Lakers are DONE for a while

[Black Adam]

Well, if nothing else, they should be fun to watch!!

kinda like the Dick Motta Nuggets way back in the day. put up 115, give up 120...

 

[Ilovemesomeme]

Guess the plan is to score 120 every night like D'Antoni said? Because we got no kinda defense right now.

The key IMO is just to punt next season altogether. Tell Kobe to take his time. Trade Pau for a pick or two, and try and lose as many games as possible. Next season is where it's at.

 

[Black Adam]

The key IMO is just to punt next season altogether. Tell Kobe to take his time. Trade Pau for a pick or two, and try and lose as many games as possible. Next season is where it's at.

i hear what you're saying, but the real is Kobe simply ain't wired that way. no matter what bad things some fans saying about him the guy's a warrior, and tanking simply isn't in his programming. as a fan i can understand where you're coming from. hell, it's only one season. but i just don't see the Lakers doing it...

 

[Retroram52]

You are right on about Kobe CL. And I don't see them tanking this coming season either. In fact, because nearly everyone on the present roster wants to be a Laker and they are young and fast with a smittering of old dudes, I see Kobe, Nash, and Pau lighting a fire under these new guys and the Lakers will definitely be competitive.

I also see the competitiveness of Kobe becoming infectious and because everyone wants to be here, they could surprise a lot of folks this year. So, when I see them tanking the season, then I'll believe it.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

The key IMO is just to punt next season altogether. Tell Kobe to take his time. Trade Pau for a pick or two, and try and lose as many games as possible. Next season is where it's at.

They should have amnestied Kobe by mutual agreement.
Let him rest. Save a ton of cash. Tank the season.
Then, hope to get lucky with the lotto balls.

 

[lakersrule]

They should have amnestied Kobe by mutual agreement.
Let him rest. Save a ton of cash. Tank the season.
Then, hope to get lucky with the lotto balls.

What would happen if a non-tax team had picked him up? Kobe would have to report or not get paid. Kobe is not going to miss much of the season. All indications are that he is recovering tremendously from the Achilles surgery. The revenue he generates for the ownership, even at this stage of his career, covers his salary anyway. This may have made more financial sense if they had resigned Dwight. Their tax bill will be relatively low next season without Dwight.

This whole tanking to get a better draft pick is a crapshoot anyway. Winning the draft lottery comes with a bit of luck. Many draft picks amount to nothing in this league anyway (the Lakers just picked up a former #4 pick on the cheap). There is no guarantee of benefit by tanking the season.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

What would happen if a non-tax team had picked him up? Kobe would have to report or not get paid. Kobe is not going to miss much of the season. All indications are that he is recovering tremendously from the Achilles surgery. The revenue he generates for the ownership, even at this stage of his career, covers his salary anyway. This may have made more financial sense if they had resigned Dwight. Their tax bill will be relatively low next season without Dwight.

This whole tanking to get a better draft pick is a crapshoot anyway. Winning the draft lottery comes with a bit of luck. Many draft picks amount to nothing in this league anyway (the Lakers just picked up a former #4 pick on the cheap). There is no guarantee of benefit by tanking the season.

You make a great point about a team picking him up, but that could have easily been avoided.
If the amnesty was mutual, he simply could have said his recovery wasn't going well and not set any type of timetable as a return.

Or, if he was picked up, which I don't think he would have been, you just pull a D. Rose.
They can't force you to play or even practice if you say the injury doesn't feel right.

I also agree with the lotto part, but when having chances, I will always be happier to have the most I can get.

The biggest gain would have been financial. What they saved could have paid him for the next 2-3 years.

 

[lakersrule]

You make a great point about a team picking him up, but that could have easily been avoided.
If the amnesty was mutual, he simply could have said his recovery wasn't going well and not set any type of timetable as a return.

Or, if he was picked up, which I don't think he would have been, you just pull a D. Rose.
They can't force you to play or even practice if you say the injury doesn't feel right.

I also agree with the lotto part, but when having chances, I will always be happier to have the most I can get.

The biggest gain would have been financial. What they saved could have paid him for the next 2-3 years.

I don't think the financial gain would be that great if they amnestied Kobe. Their luxury tax bill next season won't be nearly as large as it was this year considering Dwight didn't resign and they amnestied Artest. Kobe will be back this season. The revenue he generates for the team is significant.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I don't think the financial gain would be that great if they amnestied Kobe. Their luxury tax bill next season won't be nearly as large as it was this year considering Dwight didn't resign and they amnestied Artest. Kobe will be back this season. The revenue he generates for the team is significant.

Well, my understanding, and I very well could be wrong, is that the Lakers are over the cap, with or without Howard.

I also believe, the penalty is $1.50 on the dollar, so by my math, taking another 30 ( Kobe) off the books, would have saved them 45 in penalty this season.

Now, if they save the 45, you need to subtract the 10, or whatever they saved on Metta, but it still puts them 35 to the good, which is what I was figuring when I said it could pay Kobe for the next couple of years.

It would also ( I think) put them under the cap, which takes away the repeat offender stuff, which is huge going forward for teams.

If Kobe sat out the year, people would still buy his jersey IMO.

 

[Retroram52]

Hey Everyone. The Lakers hired Kurt Rambis today as an assistant to Don'tknowi and as I predicted. Mark Madsen is rumored to be next.

 

[lakersrule]

Well, my understanding, and I very well could be wrong, is that the Lakers are over the cap, with or without Howard.

I also believe, the penalty is $1.50 on the dollar, so by my math, taking another 30 ( Kobe) off the books, would have saved them 45 in penalty this season.

Now, if they save the 45, you need to subtract the 10, or whatever they saved on Metta, but it still puts them 35 to the good, which is what I was figuring when I said it could pay Kobe for the next couple of years.

It would also ( I think) put them under the cap, which takes away the repeat offender stuff, which is huge going forward for teams.

If Kobe sat out the year, people would still buy his jersey IMO.

The Lakers will be only about $10 million or so above the luxury tax threshold with Kobe. The penalty escalates the higher you are over the cap ($1.50 on the first XX amount, $1.75 on the next X amount, etc.). It was estimated that their tax bill would be in the $80 million range with Dwight.

Obviously they would save money by amnestying Kobe. However, I think they make it up with the revenue he generates for them. If amnestied and picked up by another team, Kobe doesn't generate revenue for the Lakers.

I think the Lakers plan is to be under the threshold next season which I believe addresses the repeater tax scenario.

 

[lakersrule]

Hey Everyone. The Lakers hired Kurt Rambis today as an assistant to Don'tknowi and as I predicted. Mark Madsen is rumored to be next.

He was more or less the defensive coach under PJ. This hiring frees MDA up to focus on the offensive side of the game

 

[trojanfan12]

The Lakers will be only about $10 million or so above the luxury tax threshold with Kobe. The penalty escalates the higher you are over the cap ($1.50 on the first XX amount, $1.75 on the next X amount, etc.). It was estimated that their tax bill would be in the $80 million range with Dwight.

Obviously they would save money by amnestying Kobe. However, I think they make it up with the revenue he generates for them. If amnestied and picked up by another team, Kobe doesn't generate revenue for the Lakers.

I think the Lakers plan is to be under the threshold next season which I believe addresses the repeater tax scenario.

That's exactly what I've read and heard as well!!

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

The Lakers will be only about $10 million or so above the luxury tax threshold with Kobe. The penalty escalates the higher you are over the cap ($1.50 on the first XX amount, $1.75 on the next X amount, etc.). It was estimated that their tax bill would be in the $80 million range with Dwight.

Obviously they would save money by amnestying Kobe. However, I think they make it up with the revenue he generates for them. If amnestied and picked up by another team, Kobe doesn't generate revenue for the Lakers.

I think the Lakers plan is to be under the threshold next season which I believe addresses the repeater tax scenario.

That sounds like a prudent plan ------for the Milwaukee Bucks, etc.....


What happened to the "don't care what the tax is because of our TV deal" Laker fan?

What happened to surround Kobe w/ James and Melo ?

How are we adding 2 max players, paying Nash/Kobe, and staying under the cap?



If the plan is to build patiently, then it makes no sense to include Kobe in the plans, does it?

 

[trojanfan12]

That sounds like a prudent plan ------for the Milwaukee Bucks, etc.....


What happened to the "don't care what the tax is because of our TV deal" Laker fan?

What happened to surround Kobe w/ James and Melo ?

How are we adding 2 max players, paying Nash/Kobe, and staying under the cap?



If the plan is to build patiently, then it makes no sense to include Kobe in the plans, does it?

What the Lakers likely plans are has been explained ad nauseum to you on several threads. How about you go dumb down the Heat threads where you are no more liked or respected than you are here!!

Fellow Laker fans,

I recommend that we do what this moron's own fanbase does and just ignore him!! Maybe then he'll take his special brand of idiocy and go troll another site!!

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

What the Lakers likely plans are has been explained ad nauseum to you on several threads. How about you go dumb down the Heat threads where you are no more liked or respected than you are here!!

Fellow Laker fans,

I recommend that we do what this moron's own fanbase does and just ignore him!! Maybe then he'll take his special brand of idiocy and go troll another site!!

The Lakers likely plan is nothing but a new , week old plan you formed once Howard ditched you.
Before that, it was exactly what it I posted.
Are you even trying to tell me that Laker fans didn't post all last year about how Howard would never leave and that the Lakers would spare no expense to lure James away and/ or make sure Kobe had loaded rosters for his final years?

Hammer guaranteed James/Melo are coming.

So what is it?

Or is it to just name every scenario so you clowns can't continue to be wrong about everything?

As far as blocking me, you need group support?
Just do it on your own. This way you won't have to read back your sad, losing arguments with me and then you can feel that much smarter then yourself.

CL does have me blocked. He has told me at least 50 times. The problem for him is that his new alien friend is fond of me and keeps unblocking me and visiting my page.

 

[lakersrule]

That sounds like a prudent plan ------for the Milwaukee Bucks, etc.....


What happened to the "don't care what the tax is because of our TV deal" Laker fan?

What happened to surround Kobe w/ James and Melo ?

How are we adding 2 max players, paying Nash/Kobe, and staying under the cap?



If the plan is to build patiently, then it makes no sense to include Kobe in the plans, does it?

Obviously the plan had to be adjusted when Howard chose Houston. Regarding the Repeater Tax, I think that applies to teams over the luxury tax threshold which is around $72 million this season. The Lakers could sign two max players next summer and fill out the roster while staying below the threshold.

Regarding Lebron, I don't think he goes anywhere after winning title #2. I thought if the Heat had lost (next season too) and Howard signed with Los Angeles, the Lakers may have been able to lure him across the country. Not gonna happen now.

You have to be somewhat fluid in these situations. You can't be rigid with your plans because things change. Of course you keep Kobe. He's the cash cow.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Obviously the plan had to be adjusted when Howard chose Houston. Regarding the Repeater Tax, I think that applies to teams over the luxury tax threshold which is around $72 million this season. The Lakers could sign two max players next summer and fill out the roster while staying below the threshold.

Regarding Lebron, I don't think he goes anywhere after winning title #2. I thought if the Heat had lost (next season too) and Howard signed with Los Angeles, the Lakers may have been able to lure him across the country. Not gonna happen now.

You have to be somewhat fluid in these situations. You can't be rigid with your plans because things change. Of course you keep Kobe. He's the cash cow.

Of course it had to be adjusted.
My issue with the others was because they were acting like this WAS the plan.
It wasn't.
The plan was to build around Howard, etc.., etc..., etc...
In other words, nobody was thinking about or planning this to be a rebuilding year, a year ago.

As far as paying large taxes, the Lakers wont have to for a while. Reality is, they can't.
When you are signing players to new contracts, which is what they will be doing with everyone, you aren't allowed to go over the cap except with minimum salaries. That's the good news.

The bad news is, that if you spend a huge chunk of cash on 2-3 players, assuming Kobe is one of them, it leaves very little to go around to fill out the roster. Plus next year, Nash gets 9M.

It is exactly what the Heat went through in year 1, except all of the Big 3 sacrificed enough to let Riley sign Haslem.

The difference next year, unless you do get James (which we both don't see happening), is the quality of players you are signing with the bulk of the cash isn't near as good as what Riley got, so then you need to figure it would take at least another few years to add enough pieces to get you back where you want to be.

 

[shopson67]

Of course it had to be adjusted.
My issue with the others was because they were acting like this WAS the plan.
It wasn't.
The plan was to build around Howard, etc.., etc..., etc...
In other words, nobody was thinking about or planning this to be a rebuilding year, a year ago.

As far as paying large taxes, the Lakers wont have to for a while. Reality is, they can't.
When you are signing players to new contracts, which is what they will be doing with everyone, you aren't allowed to go over the cap except with minimum salaries. That's the good news.

The bad news is, that if you spend a huge chunk of cash on 2-3 players, assuming Kobe is one of them, it leaves very little to go around to fill out the roster. Plus next year, Nash gets 9M.

It is exactly what the Heat went through in year 1, except all of the Big 3 sacrificed enough to let Riley sign Haslem.

The difference next year, unless you do get James (which we both don't see happening), is the quality of players you are signing with the bulk of the cash isn't near as good as what Riley got, so then you need to figure it would take at least another few years to add enough pieces to get you back where you want to be.

Nash may not be on the roster next year. Lakers could waive him with the stretch provision and spread that remaining $9M over 3 years I believe?

I really doubt the Lakers get LeBron anyway. Melo might be an option, and I would like to see the Lakers get Lowry. Deng (at a reasonable price) might be a fall-back option if Melo stays a Knick. There's more solid FA in 2015, no need to force the process in 2014.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Nash may not be on the roster next year. Lakers could waive him with the stretch provision and spread that remaining $9M over 3 years I believe?

I really doubt the Lakers get LeBron anyway. Melo might be an option, and I would like to see the Lakers get Lowry. Deng (at a reasonable price) might be a fall-back option if Melo stays a Knick. There's more solid FA in 2015, no need to force the process in 2014.

I don't see Melo opting out of 24M or whatever it is.

The rest though is pretty much right along with my line of thinking, but if it is the case, the one piece that doesn't fit is Kobe.