Kirk Cousins exposed - the truth about this bum

[gkekoa]

I've answered this question numerous times before, but here goes. I personally believe that there is a plan in place right now designed to help correct Griffins deficiencies. This is being done to either correct the original sin of starting him........or........assuring all involved that he doesn't go elsewhere and further embarrassing the organization by becoming more than he is currently viewed to be. It is after all the biggest fear of every fan of this team when it come to his going elsewhere. What other explanation is there as to why he is still here?

Specifically to your question, the current rotation should be, Kirk...........Colt and back to Kirk as necessary. If I'm correct about Griffin he should not see the field at all this year, more important, will shed that 16 million anchor next year sometimes and be only offered a limited "show us what you've learned" contract.

The original sin of starting him? So you don't believe he should have been started in year 1 even after winning ROY and leading our crappy team to the playoffs?

I do not fear RGME going any where else and succeeding. He won't.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

The original sin of starting him? So you don't believe he should have been started in year 1 even after winning ROY and leading our crappy team to the playoffs?

I do not fear RGME going any where else and succeeding. He won't.

I believe that part of the premise was that RG3 should not have started at anytime in year 1 which is laughable. You can certainly argue about whether the Skins should have traded all of those picks for RG3 (certainly nobody agrees with that now).

However - once the trade was made and given the Skins other QBs - EVERY NFL team would have started RG3 at that time. You can't equate it with the Rodgers situation since they had an established starter & didn't trade a bunch of picks for Rodgers (even the pick used was for him was in the lower portion of the 1st round).

This is just a flawed argument in ever sense. The only possible exception would have been if this occurred in say 1964.

 

[Stymietee]

So what do you pay him next season to keep him here?

And why?

If that is the plan, then pay him a 2 year (2nd year option) "show us what you've learned" type deal, but absolutely nothing that puts the team in cap jeopardy in either season. Again, IF.....IF......IF that is the plan and he fails, no big loss, however if those splinters that he's earning right now get full or reluctant, though begrudging participation in the program, maybe he still could the guy or at least the guy until the new one is ready.

Right now, Gkekoa, I'm with everyone else who questions why he's still here. What I've been posting lately is the only thing that makes sense to me in terms of their motivation.

 

[Stymietee]

The original sin of starting him? So you don't believe he should have been started in year 1 even after winning ROY and leading our crappy team to the playoffs?

I do not fear RGME going any where else and succeeding. He won't.

That is EXACTLY right, my position is damn, ROY and a fluke playoff game, if the tradeoff was possibly getting a long term starter at the position.

Yeah, maybe fear was the wrong way of putting it, but his going elsewhere and showing out, as remote as some seem to believe it to be is still possible. This team/organization cannot afford that risk. The best course of action must be to make absolutely sure. I personally believe that SM is in full charge and is doing exactly that. (remember the whole trust in Scott thing?) If someone else is calling the shots, then we have much bigger issues than Griffin to worry about.

 

[Stymietee]

I believe that part of the premise was that RG3 should not have started at anytime in year 1 which is laughable. You can certainly argue about whether the Skins should have traded all of those picks for RG3 (certainly nobody agrees with that now).

However - once the trade was made and given the Skins other QBs - EVERY NFL team would have started RG3 at that time. You can't equate it with the Rodgers situation since they had an established starter & didn't trade a bunch of picks for Rodgers (even the pick used was for him was in the lower portion of the 1st round).

This is just a flawed argument in ever sense. The only possible exception would have been if this occurred in say 1964.

Absolutely amazing!!!!!! So let me ask you, if you had invested in a player as they did and knew the results would be as they are......primarily because of his lack of conventional skills (to include protecting himself) but also knew that eliminating those issues increased the odds for success, which path would you take? Anyone who still says that they should have done what was done, knowing the results, don't have mirrors at home to reflect what a damned fool looks like.

BTW: No one is comparing anything to Rodgers "SITUATION" The comparison is about a professionally run organization vs. One that until very very recently didn't have a clue.

 

[Stymietee]

He still might have failed, but not because he lacked those skills.

 

[skinsdad62]

sty , the facts are no one knew he would or would not develop thise skills so based on where he was drafted and what you gave up to get him you had no choice but to start him .

the shanny's gave him plays that he could run and be effective with . 2 things messed that up his injuries because he failed to protect himself and his inability to learn basic qb concepts from the pocket

his brand meant more to him then learning the position

now if he and the shanny's had developed a plan to keep running the plays that made him successful and he would put in the time to learn the pocket then it could have worked out but RG3 didnt want that

nothing more can be said about it

 

[Stymietee]

sty , the facts are no one knew he would or would not develop thise skills so based on where he was drafted and what you gave up to get him you had no choice but to start him .

the shanny's gave him plays that he could run and be effective with . 2 things messed that up his injuries because he failed to protect himself and his inability to learn basic qb concepts from the pocket

his brand meant more to him then learning the position

now if he and the shanny's had developed a plan to keep running the plays that made him successful and he would put in the time to learn the pocket then it could have worked out but RG3 didnt want that

nothing more can be said about it

You're wrong Dad, I knew and they should have, the threads on draft day prove me right. If Daniel Snyder had given up 50% of the team to get him, that still does not stop them from doing the right thing based on every report that he lacked the skills that he came in with. The rest of what you've written supports my position.

 

[skinsdad62]

You're wrong Dad, I knew and they should have, the threads on draft day prove me right. If Daniel Snyder had given up 50% of the team to get him, that still does not stop them from doing the right thing based on every report that he lacked the skills that he came in with. The rest of what you've written supports my position.

sty to think that would happen is theory and pie in the sky and not likely to happen

 

[Stymietee]

sty to think that would happen is theory and pie in the sky and not likely to happen

Call it what you will......think I'll stick with honesty!!!

 

[skinsdad62]

i dont believe my viewpoint is any less honest

 

[gkekoa]

Luck started day 1. Luck is coachable. Luck wasn't ROY.

RG3 was ROY but isn't coachable. He is what he is. An athlete that refuses to improve his craft.

 

[gkekoa]

If that is the plan, then pay him a 2 year (2nd year option) "show us what you've learned" type deal, but absolutely nothing that puts the team in cap jeopardy in either season. Again, IF.....IF......IF that is the plan and he fails, no big loss, however if those splinters that he's earning right now get full or reluctant, though begrudging participation in the program, maybe he still could the guy or at least the guy until the new one is ready.

Right now, Gkekoa, I'm with everyone else who questions why he's still here. What I've been posting lately is the only thing that makes sense to me in terms of their motivation.

He won't sign a cheapo contract here. Somebody will pay RGME next season...CLE or HOU perhaps.

 

[Stymietee]

He won't sign a cheapo contract here. Somebody will pay RGME next season...CLE or HOU perhaps.

Then to paraquote the late great Jackie Gleason............."then away he goes!"

 

[Mitziman]

Luck started day 1. Luck is coachable. Luck wasn't ROY.

RG3 was ROY but isn't coachable. He is what he is. An athlete that refuses to improve his craft.

First of all, I loved it when the Redskins drafted RG3. Sometimes, you have to gamble on what might be. I sent both my kids RG3 jersey's...but, I must admit I have a Heath Shuler #5 in my closet as well... I even taped across it with McNabb...WTF was i thinking?

I don't think RG3's a diva or any of the other nasty things people want to say about him. He came into the league as a young very gifted college QB when "twitter" was just taking off. He embraced it, milked it and the s h i t backfired.

i don't blame him for not having the ability of playing QB at the NFL level. I blame the front office, for not doing their job.

 

[j_y19]

First of all, I loved it when the Redskins drafted RG3. Sometimes, you have to gamble on what might be. I sent both my kids RG3 jersey's...but, I must admit I have a Heath Shuler #5 in my closet as well... I even taped across it with McNabb...WTF was i thinking?

I don't think RG3's a diva or any of the other nasty things people want to say about him. He came into the league as a young very gifted college QB when "twitter" was just taking off. He embraced it, milked it and the s h i t backfired.

i don't blame him for not having the ability of playing QB at the NFL level. I blame the front office, for not doing their job.

And what should have the FO done to turn rgme into a franchise QB?

 

[Mitziman]

And what should have the FO done to turn rgme into a franchise QB?

Pre-draft info/screening bro. Should have been done before we drafted him. Can he read an NFL defense? Does he have the ability to pass from the pocket? You know, simple NFL QB shit like that.

Like I said, I really like the kid. But, like I've said before...it's like trying to teach a squirrel not to cross the street when cars are coming...some s h i t you just can't squirrels to do, just like you can't get RG3 to do things needed by an NFL QB.

 

[j_y19]

Pre-draft info/screening bro. Should have been done before we drafted him. Can he read an NFL defense? Does he have the ability to pass from the pocket? You know, simple NFL QB shit like that.

Like I said, I really like the kid. But, like I've said before...it's like trying to teach a squirrel not to cross the street when cars are coming...some s h i t you just can't squirrels to do, just like you can't get RG3 to do things needed by an NFL QB.

This I do agree with.

 

[gkekoa]

First of all, I loved it when the Redskins drafted RG3. Sometimes, you have to gamble on what might be. I sent both my kids RG3 jersey's...but, I must admit I have a Heath Shuler #5 in my closet as well... I even taped across it with McNabb...WTF was i thinking?

I don't think RG3's a diva or any of the other nasty things people want to say about him. He came into the league as a young very gifted college QB when "twitter" was just taking off. He embraced it, milked it and the s h i t backfired.

i don't blame him for not having the ability of playing QB at the NFL level. I blame the front office, for not doing their job.

I loved it too...I didn't like they gave up so much but was hopeful. I loved him his rookie season and yes my son has an RG3 jersey as well.

I do believe he is a diva though...how could I not? That is what the evidence supports. He got a HOF coach fired after he won the division title with him in year 1. He demanded to be a pocket passer but failed to realize what made his rookie season is the THREAT of the run. But instead of working on things to make him a better pocket passer, he chose to rely on athleticism...then he got hit and took sacks that weren't needed.

 

[Sportster 72]

Pre-draft info/screening bro. Should have been done before we drafted him. Can he read an NFL defense? Does he have the ability to pass from the pocket? You know, simple NFL QB shit like that.

Like I said, I really like the kid. But, like I've said before...it's like trying to teach a squirrel not to cross the street when cars are coming...some s h i t you just can't squirrels to do, just like you can't get RG3 to do things needed by an NFL QB.

I think drafting Cousins in the 4th round suggested that the Shanahan's were not all in on Griffin being drafted.