Kaepernick is Better Than You Think

[Pattersonca65]

Question, how does giving money to charity or helping kids out justify his pig-cops socks?

Answer: They don't. It's a "hey I fucked up but look I helped someone in an unrelated way". Damage control is all this shit about charities is. A lot of NFL players run charities or give time and money back to the community. Only a handful of dirtbags lump all police in as bad ones and disrespect their contributions to society.

I am not defending what Kap has done with socks and all that crap. I am completely against all of that. But I happen to live in the area where Camp Taylor is located. Kap lost family to a heart condition so this particular charity is personal to him. He has been involved with this charity for many years and other than local press that covers his personal involvement, he hasn't sought out attention from it. My only point is his involvement in Camp Taylor hasn't been about all this other recent crop. Almost every day I drive by the new Camp Taylor facilities that are possible because of what Kap and others have done for the organization.

 

[Cyder]

I didn't read because there isa no point discussing with people who constantly ignore facts.

There are laws that make crack a stiffer penalty than cocaine.

That was the point. So called "activists" state those laws are racist but at the time they were passed the black community approved of them even more so than white folks according to the polls taken at the time. On top of that, the majority of black members of congress voted for the laws (Only by a slight margin) so the idea they were some white conspiracy is patently ridiculous. You seem to be the one ignoring the facts. At the time the ratio was 100 to 1 which IMO was an over reaction to the crack epidemic but if you lived in an area that was hard hit by crack you'd understand.

Under the Obama administration the "Fair sentencing act" reduced the ratio to 14-1 (Or there abouts) still making crack a worse offense than regular coke. However, crack is more addictive and damaging (And usually stronger) so that makes sense. If people want to call the new laws racist they'll need to talk to Obama, Holder and the vast majority of black members of congress who approved the revised law.

 

[CowboyB]

That was the point. So called "activists" state those laws are racist but at the time they were passed the black community approved of them even more so than white folks according to the polls taken at the time. On top of that, the majority of black members of congress voted for the laws (Only by a slight margin) so the idea they were some white conspiracy is patently ridiculous. You seem to be the one ignoring the facts. At the time the ratio was 100 to 1 which IMO was an over reaction to the crack epidemic but if you lived in an area that was hard hit by crack you'd understand.

So black people can't be racist against black people?

 

[cmc_rebar]

No sir, you don't get it. I am not chastising people for voicing their opinions, I am chastising them because their opinions are really dumb.

Are you sure you are not black? Most white folk I know are not this fucking stupid.

 

[CowboyB]

Are you sure you are not black? Most white folk I know are not this fucking stupid.

100% of white trash I know/met thinks like you. I don't need to ask any questions.

 

[Cyder]

So black people can't be racist against black people?

Not in this case. If you lived in an area hard hit by crack it was far and away worse than anything powder cocaine ever caused. Even the violence in Chicago right now pales in comparison. Emergency room visits due to overdoes went up something like 300% in a couple of years.

I was trying to point out it wasn't racism but a reaction (Very possibly an over reaction with the 100-1 ratio) to an epidemic that caused the laws to be so harsh. I lived through it in NYC and at it's height we had 2240 homicides where now we have about 340 on an average year. I was completely for the revision of the law and have no issue with people convicted under the old law being pardoned (Which a lot of people seem to have issues with) or having their sentences reduced after their cases are reviewed. Provided they weren't convicted for violent offenses.

 

[CowboyB]

Not in this case. If you lived in an area hard hit by crack it was far and away worse than anything powder cocaine ever caused. Even the violence in Chicago right now pales in comparison. Emergency room visits due to overdoes went up something like 300% in a couple of years.

I was trying to point out it wasn't racism but a reaction (Very possibly an over reaction with the 100-1 ratio) to an epidemic that caused the laws to be so harsh. I lived through it in NYC and at it's height we had 2240 homicides where now we have about 340 on an average year. I was completely for the revision of the law and have no issue with people convicted under the old law being pardoned (Which a lot of people seem to have issues with) or having their sentences reduced after their cases are reviewed. Provided they weren't convicted for violent offenses.

Oh - I didn't call that racism. I called it oppression. You have to understand the difference. Oppression is the end result and racism in the means. When it comes to oppression the means don't really matter at all.

Being that the Fair sentencing act was passed with near unanimous consent, you'd have to be an idiot to not agree it was a form of oppression.

 

[cmc_rebar]

I don't need to ask any questions.

Yep, you're black.

 

[CowboyB]

Yep, you're black.

It's going to suck listening to bitches like you bitching for 16 years straight....

 

[Cyder]

Oh - I didn't call that racism. I called it oppression. You have to understand the difference. Oppression is the end result and racism in the means. When it comes to oppression the means don't really matter at all.

Being that the Fair sentencing act was passed with near unanimous consent, you'd have to be an idiot to not agree it was a form of oppression.

You and I are going down different paths of discussion in that case and really not arguing. My point was that oppressive or not, the reasons for the laws and their origins were not to oppress black people but a reaction to the times. I have no argument with the idea there were people oppressed by the 100-1 ratio and that includes people of every race. My argument is with the whole "white conspiracy" angle.

For the record, I lost 3 friends to crack. 2 OD's and one shot by a fiending crackhead because she took some of his drugs. All white people, all under the age of 24. I had an issue with a similar drug for a little while but managed to pull myself out of it. Some other friends of mine dd not at seriously screwed up or lost their lives. It was an incredibly fucked up time. If you read Obama's first book "Dream's of my father" he describes the mayhem in Chicago during those times and it sounds even worse than NYC. Movies like Boys in the Hood and Menace II Society also do a pretty good job illustrating what those times were like.

 

[CowboyB]

You and I are going down different paths of discussion in that case and really not arguing. My point was that oppressive or not, the reasons for the laws and their origins were not to oppress black people but a reaction to the times. I have no argument with the idea there were people oppressed by the 100-1 ratio and that includes people of every race. My argument is with the whole "white conspiracy" angle.

For the record, I lost 3 friends to crack. 2 OD's and one shot by a fiending crackhead because she took some of his drugs. All white people, all under the age of 24. I had an issue with a similar drug for a little while but managed to pull myself out of it. Some other friends of mine dd not at seriously screwed up or lost their lives. It was an incredibly fucked up time. If you read Obama's first book "Dream's of my father" he describes the mayhem in Chicago during those times and it sounds even worse than NYC. Movies like Boys in the Hood and Menace II Society also do a pretty good job illustrating what those times were like.

No we are traveling down the same paths...you are just distancing yourself from the OP whether intentional or not.

You stated something to the sort that blacks have had it just fine since the Civil Rights movement. I proved that wrong.

 

[Broncos6482]

Not in this case. If you lived in an area hard hit by crack it was far and away worse than anything powder cocaine ever caused. Even the violence in Chicago right now pales in comparison. Emergency room visits due to overdoes went up something like 300% in a couple of years.

I was trying to point out it wasn't racism but a reaction (Very possibly an over reaction with the 100-1 ratio) to an epidemic that caused the laws to be so harsh. I lived through it in NYC and at it's height we had 2240 homicides where now we have about 340 on an average year. I was completely for the revision of the law and have no issue with people convicted under the old law being pardoned (Which a lot of people seem to have issues with) or having their sentences reduced after their cases are reviewed. Provided they weren't convicted for violent offenses.

Demaryius Thomas's mother was one of those pardoned for a non-violent crack offenses. They're trying to get his grandmother pardoned now, too. I also agree with you, those laws need to be revised and more of the non-violent offenders should have their sentences commuted.

 

[Cyder]

No we are traveling down the same paths...you are just distancing yourself from the OP whether intentional or not.

You stated something to the sort that blacks have had it just fine since the Civil Rights movement. I proved that wrong.

I never said blacks have it just fine, I said a lot of the problems they are having, are caused by their own behavior and some self destructive aspects of black culture. And I more than proved that with the stats displaying the incredible amount of violence in black communities. The root causes we'll probably never totally agree on although you and I manage to disagree in a civil manner.

We have however, found common ground on the Fair Sentencing act and there are probably plenty more things we'd agree on.

 

[Cyder]

Demaryius Thomas's mother was one of those pardoned for a non-violent crack offenses. They're trying to get his grandmother pardoned now, too. I also agree with you, those laws need to be revised and more of the non-violent offenders should have their sentences commuted.

I read that article (quite a few) and she's the exact kind of person that needed to have their cases reviewed and sentences reduced.

 

[cmc_rebar]

It's going to suck listening to bitches like you bitching for 16 years straight....

Guess suicide by cop is your best option.

 

[CowboyB]

However, a great deal of time has passed since the 1960's when the most telling and effective civil rights legislation was passed. Now what's holding back American blacks is primarily certain aspects American black culture. Institutionalized racism is incredibly over blown.

Backtracking....

 

[Cyder]

Backtracking....

And I stand by that. The number one thing holding back black people is American black culture. I just explained how the crack laws were not based in racism so calling them institutionalized racism is a sham

 

[CowboyB]

And I stand by that. The number one thing holding back black people is American black culture. I just explained how the crack laws were not based in racism so calling them institutionalized racism is a sham

You cherry picked one out of a plethora of existing ways black people are being oppressed.

I encourage you to take a psychology class and a history class. You may understand things more clear.

 

[Cyder]

You cherry picked one out of a plethora of existing ways black people are being oppressed.

I encourage you to take a psychology class and a history class. You may understand things more clear.

I have a degree in history. You may want to open your eyes and see what's actually going on. Exactly how much time have you spent in inner city environments?

 

[CowboyB]

I have a degree in history. You may want to open your eyes and see what's actually going on. Exactly how much time have you spent in inner city environments?

Lots. I have an extensive philanthropic background.

Have you ever taken a poverty in politics class? I am going to assume not.